http://www.informationweek.com/news/showAr...no=1&queryText=
something all mac users already know
my office already have vista running (oem version) and been playing around with it. very very similar to OSX but u will need a very high spec pc to run

lol , how true

VISTA UAC is uber annoying I think I going to give up on windows very soon Now the only problem I can't afford for a Mac Once I got the money , GoodBYE Windows !! SUCKA !!

yeah but cant help notice that the writer is a bit biased against vista.

vista no good? in what sense?

wilson88,
There are instalment plans to help accelerate ur purchase of the Mac

lovebite-pls read the article in the URL from the first post

why don't you try hackintosh?

actually I am using

I am still a student Not working where can pay for the installment Now pray hard I could save enough or my parents give me as a present

I am old enough to pay for my own computer , so I don't expect much from my parents Who knows God give me one

tinkerbell- u got ur mac yet?

carpathia,
NOooOOOOooOOOOooOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And U just gotta remind me *siGh*

Windows has what we called 'automated shut-down syndrome' whereby the system hangs or applications crash... this is my personal opinion, not a hostile intention i suppose

i love my mac... the only thing that i dont like about mac is PRICEY! damn Stevie Jobs... hehe

i think Apple Mac has its own price .. I respect Apple for built their own machine , their own OS , their own creativity, and they know on how to suit their OS and hardware together .. without lacking of the users need ..

I'm waiting for their iTV and iPhone ...can't wait for their invention comes to real .


regarding vista vs leopard ..i think Microsoft should come with another invention, rather than imitate what Mac OS X had done .

Mac OS X Leopard
Introducing Vista 2.0
Redmond has a cat, too. A copycat

This post has been edited by kevler: Jan 9 2007, 06:15 PM

install once on my machine. can't stop laughing at it and no wonder they put these up last year...

Eh, takkan Vista is *that* 'char' meh?! You people here just bias that's all cause oredi in the elite group of Mac users....

Some of us here wish for a Mac but some due to financial reasons, and some due to unforeseen circumstances will just have to be satisfied with uhm, Mr Gates *sigh*

not that i wanna say vista char sui.
but really, vista doesn't support opengl that well. maya and alot of opengl app can't be run. it's dx10 not so useful for me because it's dx10 made 3dsmax crash like crazy.
I prefer osx eventho it's doesn't have unibin for maya and zbrush. but everything works under the same roof. no crash for me so far. atleast under osx i never spend too much time trying to fix problem instead of working.
I've got more work done under osx.

So far Vista is a really nice eye candy for me. security wise seems ok but nothing else impress me except it's voice command function. as for ppl who mention about financial problem. if u take the amount of money u spend on a pc vs buying a mac. and take the chances it breaks down and look at the stuff bundled in the package. u'll see actually mac is cheaper than pc. atleast the app comes with mac has already enough for u to start making alot of stuff from ur DVDs to ur webpages. and there's alot of free opensource app online.
pc on another hand, eventho vista bundle with some nice stuff. but it's still lacking in making a complete system with app which can allow use to click and get jobs done. u still need to get ur anti virus, install editing softwares, web design softwares and etc to get things started.
I don see myself upgrading my xp to vista in anytime soon unless they get the opengl support back in to windows.
for ppl who question whether the support for opengl is already in vista. go to ati website and check for it's faq. u'll see opengl is not implemented. as for nvidia, it's written that it's supported but when u load ur opengl app. u'll see it runs as slow as a snail.
Cheers guys. good luck to vista.

The thing that i love so much about Windows is that each release is crippled n heavily bugged in some way. That's why i know so much about computers, even things i don't want to know. MDAC crash? Yup, that's Microsoft Database Access Components. IRQ_UNRESOLVED? That's usually on that pretty bluescreen there. If Windows doesn't exist n everyone uses OS X, there won't be any geeks or that much computer techinician. Imagine the billions of money n jobs that would be lost if only conceptual viruses were available for Windows. Imagine the security and antivirus companies all go bankcrupt at the same time when Microsoft announce that they won't be making Windows anymore, that they're porting to OS X.

For that, i thank Bill Gates for all the wonderful bugs, viruses, trojans, worms, and random critical crashes that eats all my 250GB data and all my precious irreplaceable photos, videos and to some, documents worth billions. Thank you GrandPa Bill for making the world better. Ooh, since most of us will never donate to charity, thank you for scamming us and donating on our behalf.

BSOD on,
A Mac Hater

Mac user, lover, try playing FEAR on ur MAC. Or any other games..

So you're trying to say that Windows' only good for games?

This post has been edited by Deadman.Inc.: Jan 11 2007, 12:22 PM

Windows user, try playing FEAR until the last boss battle n having Windows hang, crash n spit the BSOD on u. OK, nvm, u say. Reboot, load FEAR, wait... How come all my save files are corrupted? OMG, i have to play through the whole game again? Have fun doing that.

Well, the cost to upgrade to Vista isnt exactly that small either Should see the grumbles all over, even among ppl who cant live without Mr Gates. Either grumbling about how much they'll need to spend on hardware upgrades in order to go Vista, or swearing that they'll just stay on Windows XP.

Hmm.. even those who stick on Windows due to games may have problems as well with performance of their games.

some people get greedy when slapping icute psu and running power hungry cpu wiff oc and using stock cooling + 5 torrent running background

bsod arrive, u (not u la i mean win user ) f*** on the windows and mr gates.....

eh my office macpro also hang la....thank god have dis auto save function (finalcut)

For those who missed out this funny video about Vista (I think it was taken out from its original location):-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYqA83sitz8

There are other very interesting Mac-Windows videos there too.

this thread quite 'intoxicated', excessive basher for windows users .
If both operating system mean for x86 the Vista could outstanding OSX.

now how bout like Gates Vs Jobs, which one would you pick?

Apple just being lucky revert to x86 after teamup with Intel

if Mac can run a .exe file.. (Don't say anything about hakintosh...)

Why they don't design an Mac OS that can run .exe? Thats the shortcoming... deadly poison.

Could that be one of the "Top Secret" features in Leopard? You'll never know

well, then all darn virus in pc taking over mac lah!

really...really poison....go home n use ur BASTA15.

quick...run for ur life..

haha.. I see.. Someone is getting angry huh?

what so angry? "go home n use ur BASTA15"?

I'm a mac user too..

You never think before you say?

Who doesn't know Mac is good?

I'm looking forward this....

This post has been edited by uchan: Jan 12 2007, 04:19 PM

it would be better if current OS 10.4 user can buy leopard in discounted price

no matter la Vista or Leopard.. i still use both... its good for us what.. gives more choice to consumers

.exe in leopard? then i can install my 3ds Max

used vista few days ago.. to my disappointment: nothing much to shout about..

the only thing gonna impress me much of it, is the voice recognition, but it need ur effort as well, and i rather use my mouse and keyboard as input devices. and it does fail a lot of times

else, what are proudly presented in vista (e.g. sidebar, UI, win + tab, etc etc) are already found in mac os x. and the added security is an annoyance, repetitive click to confirm, unblock program, continue installation etc etc are tedious..

but still for an upgrade from xp to vista, it is great, it is an improvement, it is beautiful. yet for the 'vista vs. mac os x', i am quite disappointed in microsoft.

just my opinions

This post has been edited by youngkies: Jan 12 2007, 05:03 PM

put it this way. when you browse the LYN forum an ask for Vista ready computer - everyone recommends 2GB RAM and quite often, C2D processors and all.


the thing is that us Malaysians are pampered with piracy. try getting everyone else to buy originals and we'll see that the price for WIN based machines aren't that far off from a MAC.


so games is the only counter-point you have? LAME!!! haha. i'm both Windows and MAC OS X user, and if you judge an OS just by games alone then you're a lousy judge.

Think of it the other way, Microsoft needs pirated softwares to stay in the market, I would rather spend the money on OSX than original Windows.

yes very agree with that.. the price of the original Windows based machines arent really that far off from the MAC..

it is true that even with a original copy of windows, u still can get a cheap, budget system (around rm2k-3k), but what can u do with those system? spend rm2-3k for just a system to run microsoft words, and hang quite often that you will wanted to smack the computer.. i believe the same budget MAC mini, can do more than a Win based low budget PC and will definitely satisfied u more..

And don't forget original Microsoft Office is a separate software, so you have to pay again; antivirus is another separate software, pay again...

IMO Windows isn't that UNSTABLE.

however, based on what i saw on the MAC OS X so far - it boots fast. it shutdown fast. it restarts fast.

let's say a Mac Mini at RM 2,399 + LCD that comes to about say RM 3.2k. it comes with onboard WiFi, Firewire, remote control - not counting the nice softwares in iLife such as iPhoto, iWeb, iMovie, iDVD, GarageBand, blabllabla.......... and many other freebies. heck it comes with a remote control and best of all, it's damn small!!! (ok ok there are small WIN based machines, but Mac Mini is da eye-catcher, no?)

sure, you probably get it way cheaper. with this and that, then you still don't get nice stuff like iLife. you have to patch is almost immediately if it's not yet patched. then of course, anti-virus. and along comes with it are worries of virus and malware and stuff.

note : i'm not anti-Windows based machines.

ya in my experiences, windows isn't that unstable too.. wat i tried to mean was at least windows in low budget system (esp low ram) tend to crash more easily under moderate-heavy workload (not specifically said it will crash when u run words only)

i just hate to use windows in other ppl computers esp. to those who are so-so in taking care of their computer or some office comp or CC. when u have to use them to do something, multitasking or installing something or repairing or etc like what u normally can do in ur comp, then it just crash or slow down.

slow boot time, microsoft is working on it.. with readyboost in vista, it does boot up faster.. but still slower than mac though..

yeah. i'm not saying Vista won't be great, i've not tried it myself but the thing that makes me shrug when i think of MS Windows Vista is........

A Windows Vista Capable PC includes at least:

* A modern processor (at least 800MHz1).
* 512 MB of system memory.
* A graphics processor that is DirectX 9 capable.

A Windows Vista Premium Ready PC includes at least:
* 1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor1.
* 1 GB of system memory.
* Support for DirectX 9 graphics with a WDDM driver, 128 MB of graphics memory (minimum)2, Pixel Shader 2.0 and 32 bits per pixel.
* 40 GB of hard drive capacity with 15 GB free space.
* DVD-ROM Drive3.
* Audio output capability.
* Internet access capability.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/capable.mspx

so yeah. that's AT LEAST......

This post has been edited by goldfries: Jan 13 2007, 01:59 AM

and installing stuff (programme, drivers etc etc) will be tedious.. u will be prompt to 'do you want to install' click yes.. then comes out another one 'the prog is bla bla bla, do you want to continue' another click on button.. right installation take place and lastly when u open the prog. 'the software/etc is bla bla bla' another click to unblock..

simplify it: TEDIOUS

windows vista is actually kinda terrible imo...
been using it since beta 1 and heck even had a virus attack on it!!
the only way that windows would be stable is that the drivers are all proper drivers, and not having intermitten or faulty hardware.

about mac... i have used it only a few times.. i like the overall design of the ui and even the external hardware looks. I'll buy a mac just for the looks.
oh ya.. bootcamp or parallels do run windows vista on them too.

i do use linux also... it has way much better eyecandy than vista. and i wont judge osx about the eyecandy. but linux based system lack the iteroperabilty and support for hardware. so linux users are stuck till someone comes up with some sweet drivers

if microsoft stoped making windows. all the world would shift to osx/linux
this means all the virus, anti-virus, technician's, the entire IT world, games and the rest the things that make up our daily life.

so what i'm saying is this. mac's are save from viruses and instability just because it's not consumed by the mass market.
Microsoft has instability problems because they just have to cope up with thousand's of things designed to run on their system.
and one more thing. Microsoft just wants to make more money rather than easing someone's work

Do u even hv to ask? Gates will KO in 1 hit by Steve. But if Ballmer, i wouldn't say that.
Apple likes to control the interface. Running Windows prog means breaking that. Ppl are talking virtualizations or something like that, i don't think it'll happen.
This has been debated over n over by people who can't see what's right in front of them. Apple research, design n make their own computer. Non of their comp uses standard motherboards. They design the entire comp for what they want. Look at Mac mini, iMac n compare with their PC counterparts. No PC even come close to what Apple made. How they can achieve something like that cost money, the optimizations, the research. Apple hardware without any software will always cost more than their PC equivalent, because it's better. Look at the modding community, 90% of them uses tower casing, the same design since the last 20 years. Mac Pro doesn't even have any SATA cables when it uses SATA drives. If u look at the entire design, it's so brilliant that it's almost like looking at what PC will look like 30 years in the future(if they are going at this rate).

For the software, Apple wrote the OS, a very good suite(iLife), even plenty of high-end software(Final Cut Pro). And yet, they can beat Microsoft, the biggest software company in the world at OS design. That cost lots of money. When u buy a Mac, u will get iLife free. Does Windows come with anything like that? No, after u install Windows, u can either play Solitaire, listen to some music or surf the net. No Office, games, any useful software that let u do anything useful. That's why PC cost that much cheaper. If u buy PC equivalent softwares and the antivirus which Mac doesn't need, it'll cost a lot more. This is Malaysia, so most people never thought about this.

So stop saying PC cost cheaper when u're cheating using piracy.
With the same hardware as mini, no PC can be that small. microATX might do it, but it surely won't have latest proc.

This post has been edited by H4RRY: Jan 14 2007, 01:44 AM

You'll never know.. All they need is to find a way to implement the Windows API and viola! Interface COULD be preserved this way. Virtualization is only the beginning...

This post has been edited by aMDCoPPeR: Jan 14 2007, 02:01 AM

No, the interface won't be preserved for most programs. Apple's menubar is separated from the program. Even if they achieve that, programs that have custom menubar will most likely crash. Having the menu inside the window might be a good compromise, but that's just not OSX-ish anymore

Its the same sort of thing for those applications that requires X11 too. Interface within the application wont be the same, but it does allow for access to some of the applications that's not OS X native.

This will be a good approach to take, but I remember reading somewhere that Apple had mentioned that such seamless virtualization will not be present in Leopard.

I am guessing that if they really found a way to parse the menu from the Windows app, they would still need to figure out how to hide the one that originally exist. So, I would say virtualization with some graphical tweaks to the current Parallels' Coherence feature would be most possible if such 'Top Secret' feature do exist in Leopard. There are rumors that Apple might buy Parallels because Apple has started to recommend people using Parallels instead of its own Boot Camp.

Also, someone inquired the Parallels guys when would directx acceleration be ready and the answer was 'next beta'.

Nice comic in NST today


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