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post Apr 29 2008, 06:03 PM

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look..almost every school who have above average income will have a PANCARAGAM band in school... and dat means a lot a lot a lot of schools in Malaysia are having students who play the sax..is ur question answered >.<
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post May 2 2008, 01:43 AM

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hehe, i am looking for one sax how much roughly it will cost? i remember when i was like standard 4 i play other instrument wanted to play sax but no chance....
i would say sax can play the feeling out compare to guitar.
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Sax is cool. I have CURVED SOPRANO. Love it!
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QUOTE(tkwfriend @ May 2 2008, 01:43 AM)
hehe, i am looking for one sax how much roughly it will cost? i remember when i was like standard 4 i play other instrument wanted to play sax but no chance....
i would say sax can play the feeling out compare to guitar.
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it depends on the type of sax you plan to buy. say for soprano sax, it cost ard 1k - 3 k for beginner; brands like Jupiter for example. A decent one cost ard 4k and above, a real decent sax is Yamaha intermediate cost ard 6k and at this range u can find alot good decent sax. A pro ones cost ard 18k and above.

I'm eying for Selmer (Paris) or Yanagisawa

btw, http://www.sax.co.uk worth some readings on instruments.

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post May 3 2008, 08:20 AM

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QUOTE(wizardboy @ May 2 2008, 04:43 PM)
it depends on the type of sax you plan to buy. say for soprano sax, it cost ard 1k - 3 k for beginner; brands like Jupiter for example. A decent one cost ard 4k and above, a real decent sax is Yamaha intermediate cost ard 6k and at this range u can find alot good decent sax. A pro ones cost ard 18k and above.

I'm eying for Selmer (Paris) or Yanagisawa

btw, http://www.sax.co.uk worth some readings on instruments.
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i have one question to ask, i can self learn for this?
oh ya i do know they need to change something n the blowing part, it that able to get too?

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post May 3 2008, 01:38 PM

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For blowing instrument, its not easy to pick them up on your own, there are problems such as intonation, embouchure which you may do better with a little lesson so that you do not develop a bad habit which may inhibit future performances.

Same goes to other instrument, but, it is just that instruments like guitars have more resources available to them due to popularity, so you are able to get more references here and pick it up yourself through research.
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as what mr.z said, you need a guide. you still require more then basics to be on your own to practice
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post May 16 2008, 03:58 PM

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Hi!

Newbie on this site... someone that still in the saxophone line...

Regarding the purchase of instrument, there are just too many choices to go on in the market. It can range from 1500RM till ten over thousand for an alto.

BUT, I will strongly advise to try the instrument before you buy. Of course if you are beginner, get someone that can really play the instrument to test out the instrument for you. I have been playing on Selmer, Yanagisawa, china or taiwan brands... but now I'm with Yamaha. Nothing special, just because I like the mechanism for the Yamaha so much.

Basically every instrument will have slight different. Selmer is claim to have a nice sound by specialising on their lacquer and also the tradition from the Aldophe Sax (creator of Sax). Yamaha used to be a copy of the famous MarkVI, but now they put in a lot effort and come up with their own line. Yamaha tends to give more mellow tone compare to selmer. The yanagisawa is the same case as Yamaha, but they keep a lot of the markVI tradition, and they put in a lot of craftmanship into it.

Most of the instrument from this region (japan and taiwan) have their original saxophone made out from markVI.

Buffet is another story as is always with the Rascher (german school) system, and it tends to give an even more mellow, dark and fat sound compare to Selmer or Yamaha.

Then, we have the choice of the mouthpiece. selmer, vandoren, yamaha, meyer, berg larssen... All with different character.

So... before you buy, think of what kind of sound you want.
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nope... i beg to differ, thinking of the kind of sound u want at this moment is just secondary to getting a PROPER and PLAYABLE instrument...

No point diverting your thoughts into getting a tone when instead u shud be PRACTICING !!!

If getting a mellow tone means to spend 8k compared to getting an edgier 5k saxophone, will it be feasible to a beginner? We have to go through a trial and error stage of starting on a cheap but playable instrument, and maybe a few years down the road after developing our listening skill and tone taste, we will finally know what we want.

In fact, i doubt that most beginner will know how to differentiate the difference and knows how to appreciate the difference in tone and saxophone.

And from what i gather, selmer has a more mellower tone compared to yamaha which has a thinner tone due to the type of brass used.

There are many good secondary plan in the market, so there is no need for a special reference to only the big 4 company in saxophone making.

Just my 2cents, hope i dun offend anyone.. wink.gif
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post May 17 2008, 10:41 AM

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Now this is the thing... a lot of time the students are ask to practice. But what to practice? Of course people will come up with long tone, technical part and so on. But no matter what you practice, the first thing is the sound, which concern a lot on your TONE. Is just like asking someone to sing a scale, without letting them know what is a scale. This is the problem for many musicians out there, where they themselves can't even tell what is the different of tone, tuning, and blending.

Is prove in many places that people should always start on aural skills, which involve singing and ear training before that really pick up an instrument. This might go for few days to few weeks. But this is what every musicians needed all the time.

and I'm so sorry to say that's not true on what you talking about selmer and yamaha. Is true that some selmer instrument is somehow have a more differ tone (this will be another issue on discussing what and how the selmer instrument made of), but yamaha is definately NOT thinner sound. If you go out there to listen, there are a lot musicians that used yamaha play incredibly big and fat tone. Is not possible to know exactly how many percentage of brass to use for each brand, as that's their top secret for producing their instrument. If we know it, there will be no 'legend' about the MarkVI.

The instrument mainly act as the 'speaker' for your voice, with mainly affected by the mouthpiece and your throat singing position. I don't mean to ask a student to get some expensive instrument to start with. What I strongly emphasize is, go listen to some good musician, ask them opinion on the brand of instrument they using, then only you decide to choose on what brand to go for.

Selmer don't have any beginner entry level instrument. But is interesting enough that Selmer do have a few different model for you to choose on (series II, III, reference), which all are different, in terms of mechanism, sound, and even the finger position. Yamaha, yanagisawa, jupiter and many other do have the student entry level instrument. Once you have certain brand in your mind, then look at your own budget. Like some of you mentioned, I won't recommend the so call intermediate level instrument, is just some small 'add' on from the student model.

What is the different for the professional level and the student model? Basically they have the same overall design. The main different is how they are made (hand or machine made, they way they put the instrument together, which affect the air flow) and what material (again, air flow and response), and then the finishing lacquer (sound reflection, which greatly affect the tone color). Selmer is famous for their body and bell joint design, yamaha for their accurate mechanism and the lacquer, yanagisawa stand up for their one piece material and so on...


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sorry to say that, yanagisawa do not have a student model as far as i know.

If you emphasize on equipment too much, it just inhibits technique development. Give me a cheap playable sax any day, i would just take it up and play regardless of brand. I know it wont be my last sax once i grew to love it and play it.

And for your concept of aural training, yes, i do believe there is a need for aural training, learn to differentiate the tones and scale and all. But it will be overwhelming to a beginner to jump straight to so many things the minute he intend to learn. What i m emphasizing is, get started on learning the thing like basic notes and long tones (!! important for developing how to blow it properly, as well as lipping).

We dun talk about tone if you cant even blow a note without squeaking it, we dun talk about notes, if u cant even blow it right. All these aural training needs to go hand in hand with basic technique.

We are trying to instil and grow interest among people to pick up music, and i bet most will give up halfway if they find it uninteresting to just sing and sing yet do not know what he is learning about.

I know many piano lessons are shaped in away that some time will be given for aural training.

Sad to say that, some people just have tone deaf. But tht doesnt mean they cant play. Music isnt about olympics, some prefer to hone their technique to the max, some just couldnt due to limitations of human physiology. But that doesn't mean that they couldn't and shouldn't enjoy music isn't it?

I wouldn't argue with you regarding brands instrument advantage etc, as i have not really developed a capability to do so and i think this is rather subjective as i have known several musicians who hate yamaha for their shrilly tone, like what i have now (* i m using a yamaha too). I dun like it, but i can live with it for the sake of learning.

Yamaha trumpet, as i have tried, are free blowing, but sounded weak compared to my Reynolds. Thats as far as i know. So i ll just lay off the case of instrument and leave it to individual musicians to decide themselves. If every musicians in the world agreed to the same thing, there wouldnt be something we call brand preference and choosing.

Have a nice day. ;-)

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post May 18 2008, 12:24 AM

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Haha,

First thing, yanagisawa do produce lower model, which you might call it entry or student model.

second thing, there is no such thing as tone deaf. They can't differentiate because they are not thought what is the different, which is the aural skills I talk.

third, how can you tell a sound is the correct or proper one when you don't even have idea whether you are doing the correct thing. And I'm shame to say that many so call teachers out there are just not qualified. you may say different people have different method, but when can't solve a problem for a student, who can one person claim to be a teacher. And of course a student will not get interest to continue if the teacher have no idea how to continue it.

I do agree with you about the instrument brand making, but unfortunately that's the reality thing. when you go straight to talk to the instrument makers, their technician, their design artist, then the different of each instrument brand is clear enough.

basic note, long tone, what is it means for? what is the whole purpose of doing it? and how you call it a quality tone, that's something all the teachers should think of. Why I would want to wast numerous of hours on it when it just means to be a long tone practice.

to pick up an instrument and to play is simple to anyone. But to do it well is another matter.

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everyone loves sax, who doesnt? biggrin.gif

my sister plays it for the schools orchestra. i tried it myself and it defintely not something ill pick up. i found it hard to play a note, let alone play a whole piece, and also you gotta clean it all the time. its also cumbersome. ill stick with guitar
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QUOTE(CM's @ May 17 2008, 10:41 AM)
Is not possible to know exactly how many percentage of brass to use for each brand, as that's their top secret for producing their instrument. If we know it, there will be no 'legend' about the MarkVI.

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QUOTE(CM's @ May 18 2008, 12:24 AM)
Haha,

I do agree with you about the instrument brand making, but unfortunately that's the reality thing. when you go straight to talk to the instrument makers, their technician, their design artist, then the different of each instrument brand is clear enough.

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Well, ur statement is really ambiguous and confusing. U are saying that it is impossible to know exactly how is an instrument made, the brass contents etc. Right? then u proceed to say that when you talk to the makers, the technician and artist, u will know how the instrument is made? if by talking to them you do not procure these information, u are no better off talking to a sales man, so i will assume that u will know how it is made after talking.

So if you would know how it is made, then how would it be not possible to recreate a mark VI? And if it is not possible to recreate a mark VI, it means differentiation of instrument quality and method is still ambiguous. And if it remains ambiguous, how can you be sure it is definitely the better quality nor can you be sure of the difference between brands?

All these brands difference are just consumer perceived difference.

Next, you speak of a teacher as though they can do alot of things, yet you say that the teachers here are incapables. So where in Malaysia will there be such a teacher if you spoke of it as though they are superman from far away land? Basically, what i belief is, teachers are needed to guide u and start u on the music path and the rest are depended on yourself. You cant expect a teacher to spoon feed you all the time.

I started on guitar for some basic lessons like strumming and etc and have been self learned until now.

Basically, there are alot of resources on the internet that tells u what to practice and how to practice. I am busy lately, but i still manage to put through some time with a long tone. And the improvement is apparent, i can nail a low C without making it goes onto an accidental alt. so can i say it is useless? And for your information, i only pick one lesson on how to start on the saxophone. I can assure u i m not a superman who can learn anything at will. Just an average guy with interest in musics and needs time to practice to actually pick the instrument up properly.

It doesnt matter if the tone is shaped nicely through the long tone or not, what i find useful is, breathing control, lipping, embouchure and stamina practice. Those are some of the important stuff that comes with practicing long tones.

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Never mind then, I guess we are speaking on a very different view on this. You never meet at good teacher, and you think you can do it by yourself, then go ahead. Congratulations if you can made it to a professional and earn a living as a musician.

And I think you do misunderstand what I wrote about meeting the maker. Of course they can tell you what they are doing and what kind of material they will used. But is the percentage of different materials, and how you solve the problem of having the parts fix up, the temperature to do it, how to do the plating evenly... this is all the part that nobody will tell you. And I don't think a lot sales person out there understand this.

And in the previous post, I mentioned before. The instrument body act more like a speaker, but main part for the sound is still depends on your vocal throat, embouchure and the mouthpiece.

I do agree with what you say about doing long tone for all those benefits you get. But that's the minimum thing that you can get. You can get a lot more by doing on the long tone, if consider you have the idea on what is a tone, and what is a proper tuning. And that's the time consuming part, where a lot people will just give up on that, and later on they will go back to it, and re-do it, consider they are serious about making good music.

I don't means to offense the teacher in Malaysia, but is sad to say, many of them just can't teach well, and can't even play by themselves. Of course people will say teacher no need to be good player, but they do need to know the technical stuff by playing themselves, they do need to know the repertoire to teach the student, and they do need to update themselves with the world out there, on the development of the instrument, the repertoire, the new technology that applied to teaching and instrument and many more.

Just curious, what other instrument you play?


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anyone selling their saxophone ?
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post Dec 29 2008, 01:36 PM

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Wow...cant imagine this post still keep alive..I was posted a year before duh!! biggrin.gif Gd luck and all the best for those for wish to learn sax
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I love sax too~ wanted to learn it long ago... but unfortunately there arent any center to learn here T.T
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QUOTE(Darkripper @ Dec 29 2008, 02:05 PM)
I love sax too~ wanted to learn it long ago... but unfortunately there arent any center to learn here T.T
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where r u from ? if klang valley i can recommand u to my tutor. UKM master student who plays an alto and tenor too.

else u can go to Yamaha kelana ... SOP classes. RIGID.

For ur info i just started last year.. late Nov .. only attended 3 classes with my new found "sifu chai". I'm an old ah pek .. too busy with $ than saz {just a hobby}.


Added on January 12, 2009, 12:22 am
QUOTE(thechallenger @ Oct 5 2008, 08:31 PM)
anyone selling their saxophone ?
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wait till i come across a yani in malaysia .. i sell u mine (a black laq. body alto)


Added on January 12, 2009, 12:25 am
QUOTE(Boneka @ Apr 29 2008, 03:14 AM)
how much does a cheapest saxophone worth?
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seen couple in DO RE MI .. jalan ipoh .KL .. around 1.5K. just tested them by fingering .. seems ok... sound dunno.



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