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post May 5 2016, 09:01 AM, updated 7y ago

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the very capable small box to hwaccelerate hevc 10bit content with no hiccups.

Board : Odroid C2 (Amlogic S905)
OS: LibreELEC 7 (Kodi 16.1)

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* Amlogic ARM® Cortex®-A53(ARMv8) 2Ghz quad core CPUs
* Mali™-450 GPU (3 Pixel-processors + 2 Vertex shader processors)
* 2Gbyte DDR3 SDRAM
* Gigabit Ethernet
* HDMI 2.0 4K/60Hz display
* H.265 4K/60FPS and H.264 4K/30FPS capable VPU
* 40pin GPIOs + 7pin I2S
* eMMC5.0 HS400 Flash Storage slot / UHS-1 SDR50 MicroSD Card slot
* USB 2.0 Host x 4, USB OTG x 1 (power + data capable)
* Infrared(IR) Receiver
* Ubuntu 16.04 or Android 5.1 Lollipop based on Kernel 3.14LTS


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^look at CPU utilization. sign of hwaccel works

damage : RM300

where to buy : http://www.hardkernel.com/main/main.php
LibreELEC : https://libreelec.tv/2016/04/libreelec-jarv...v7-0-0-release/

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post May 5 2016, 09:23 AM

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Can it handle 1080p 10bit FLAC .mkv files?

Any hiccup playing from external drive?
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post May 5 2016, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(limadekad @ May 5 2016, 09:23 AM)
Can it handle 1080p 10bit FLAC .mkv files?

Any hiccup playing from external drive?
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1. yes can handle 1080 hevc 10bit mkv. not sure about flac audio format, but should be doable. i have 1080 hevc 10bit sample, wil post later
p/s: if you have sample..can link it to me, ill test it for you

2. no hiccups! i can even mount 2x 2TB 2.5" hdd + wifi dongle + usb drive at the same time cool2.gif . in fact the test was done by streaming from hdd

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post May 5 2016, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(pikacu @ May 5 2016, 09:01 AM)
the very capable small box to hwaccelerate hevc 10bit content with no hiccups.

Board : Odroid C2 (Amlogic S905)
OS: LibreELEC 7 (Kodi 16.1)
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^look at CPU utilization. sign of hwaccel works

damage : RM300

where to buy : http://www.hardkernel.com/main/main.php
LibreELEC : https://libreelec.tv/2016/04/libreelec-jarv...v7-0-0-release/
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wasnt this chipset have playback issue with some codec?

sorry, my mistake it was Rockchip RK3229

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post May 5 2016, 09:28 AM

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1. yes can handle 1080 hevc 10bit mkv. not sure about flac audio format, but should be doable. i have 1080 hevc 10bit sample, wil post later
p/s: if you have sample..can link it to me, ill test it for you

2. no hiccups! i can even mount 2x 2TB 2.5" hdd + wifi dongle + usb drive at the same time  cool2.gif . in fact the test was done by streaming from hdd
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try link below and provide result, thanks for you kind help lol.
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https://www.koi-sama.net/files/hi10/[1080p][16_REF_L5.1][FLAC_5.1]Suzumiya%20Haruhi%20no%20Shoushitsu%20BD%20OP.mkv


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GPU acceleration, looking at CPU usage.. Kek..
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post May 5 2016, 09:33 AM

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give layman's explanation sikit what this device do...
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post May 5 2016, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(ak101ss @ May 5 2016, 09:30 AM)
GPU acceleration, looking at CPU usage.. Kek..
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its not really GPU acceleration, but more to ASIC that help with decoding certain video codec (this asic is embedded inside the soc). The main reason for it were to reduce cpu cycle as much as possible. to tell you, even pure intel core i5 have problem to decode 4k video purely by cpu itself

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post May 5 2016, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(zerorating @ May 5 2016, 09:27 AM)
wasnt this chipset have playback issue with some codec?
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i think you meant by S905H vs S905?

taken from LibreELEC developer :



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Just be aware 10-bit 1080p HEVC is perfectly fine as is any 23.976fps 2160p main 10 HEVC I find over on the Kodi Video Samples page from here:
http://demo-uhd3d.com/

If you were planning on watching 2160p main 10 SAT-TV content I would wait for the S905 Revision C in the WeTek Boxes.

For the current state of play with Refresh Switching and 24p video sync on the AML S905 Kernel click my sticky link below.
The big one is 5.1 DD/AC3 Audio passthrough is currently not working.


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Not seeing the pixellation issue with regular Progressive 2160p 10bit HEVC, it does show up on some 2160p 10 bit Interlaced Satellite TV test clips I have with the C2. Something to do with B Frames and motion I have been told if my memory is correct.

WeTek had to have this fixed on their S905's as they are using these SoC's in satellite TV tuner, 2160p Play 2 Kodi devices.
For regular progressive 2160p 10-bit HEVC content you would very likely not even be aware of the issue.

Hardware acceleration is fine, I can even run the Kodi GUI at 2160p60Hz with no slow downs, now I've patched a few things


http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=258707&page=9

from the post, if youre playing >2k Interlaced files, or streaming >2K content from satelite tv/etc, then you will see the issue..else, not!
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post May 5 2016, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(pikacu @ May 5 2016, 09:33 AM)
i think you meant by S905H vs S905?
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sorry, i was confused at first, it was Rockchip RK3229
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QUOTE(ak101ss @ May 5 2016, 09:30 AM)
GPU acceleration, looking at CPU usage.. Kek..
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you must be not using rasp pi 2/1. go observe your cpu util when playing hevc content
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post May 5 2016, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(ahpoo @ May 5 2016, 09:33 AM)
give layman's explanation sikit what this device do...
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hard to say if you're not aware of codec used at your movie file..

anyway, animu fans should know about x264/hi10p/hevc/hevc 10bit
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QUOTE(zerorating @ May 5 2016, 09:28 AM)
try link below and provide result, thanks for you kind help lol.
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x264 high 10 @hi10p (non standard) , can accelerate but will have random artifacts. better search for hevc 10bit

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General
Unique ID                                : 219873737433303000272290615610624927429 (0xA56A2438BC43258FBFE983AFBEBB66C5)
Complete name                            : 1080p][16_REF_L5.1][FLAC_5.1]Suzumiya Haruhi no Shoushitsu BD OP.mkv
Format                                   : Matroska
Format version                           : Version 4 / Version 2
File size                                : 168 MiB
Duration                                 : 1mn 32s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 15.3 Mbps
Movie name                               : [De.us] Suzumiya Haruhi no Shoushitsu (Hi10p) (1080p)
Encoded date                             : UTC 2010-02-22 21:41:31
Writing application                      : mkvmerge v5.9.0 ('On The Loose') built on Dec  9 2012 15:37:01
Writing library                          : libebml v1.3.0 + libmatroska v1.4.0
Attachements                             : epmgobld_ending.ttf / epminbld_opening.ttf / Folks-Bold.ttf / GosmickSans.ttf / GosmickSansBold.ttf / GosmickSansOblique.ttf / kozgopro-medium.otf / MAIAN.TTF / Marker SD 1.2.ttf / MyriadPro-Bold.ttf / MyriadPro-RegularHaruhi.ttf / MyriadPro-SemiCn.ttf / MyriadPro-SemiCnIt.ttf / ORANGEKI.TTF / simkai.ttf / ARLRDBD_0.TTF / ChaparralPro-BoldIt.ttf / ChaparralPro-SemiboldIt.ttf

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High 10@L5.1
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames                : 16 frames
Muxing mode                              : Header stripping
Codec ID                                 : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration                                 : 1mn 32s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 23.976 fps
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : FLAC
Format/Info                              : Free Lossless Audio Codec
Codec ID                                 : A_FLAC
Duration                                 : 1mn 32s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                                : 24 bits
Delay relative to video                  : -233ms
Title                                    : Japanese 6ch. 24-bit
Language                                 : Japanese
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

Text
ID                                       : 3
Format                                   : ASS
Codec ID                                 : S_TEXT/ASS
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Sub Station Alpha
Compression mode                         : Lossless
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No


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QUOTE(pikacu @ May 5 2016, 09:45 AM)
x264 high 10  @hi10p (non standard) , can accelerate but will have random artifacts. better search for hevc 10bit

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Most of the sub group i follow releases in Hi10p, any chance of this getting patched?
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any differ to other 905 player like msq
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post May 5 2016, 04:54 PM

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4k download takes ages
thanks but i stick to my 720p..
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Meanwhile a few gens old sandy bridge i7 ultrabook costing rm4k cannot play h265
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QUOTE(pikacu @ May 5 2016, 09:01 AM)
the very capable small box to hwaccelerate hevc 10bit content with no hiccups.

Board : Odroid C2 (Amlogic S905)
OS: LibreELEC 7 (Kodi 16.1)
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user posted image

^look at CPU utilization. sign of hwaccel works

damage : RM300

where to buy : http://www.hardkernel.com/main/main.php
LibreELEC : https://libreelec.tv/2016/04/libreelec-jarv...v7-0-0-release/
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Interested. But me noob

Thia thing

U connect hdd (with movie inside) to it

Then connect it to tv

Like that?

No need pc?
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What's so special about this h265 Hi10p? It's different from normal h265?? Watch hentai?

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not bad but still expensive
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QUOTE(limadekad @ May 5 2016, 03:50 PM)
Most of the sub group i follow releases in Hi10p, any chance of this getting patched?
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will never patched due to non-standard, better convert to hevc 10bit

animu nowadays going towards hevc 10bit already
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QUOTE(pikacu @ May 5 2016, 06:03 PM)
will never patched due to non-standard, better convert to hevc 10bit

animu nowadays going towards hevc 10bit already
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Ts

Story sikit. How to use this to setup home theather at home

Need pc or not?
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ha bodo....buy xiaomi mi box everything settle
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QUOTE(kamfoo @ May 5 2016, 03:56 PM)
any differ to other 905 player like msq
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msq? or mxq?


QUOTE(winter01942 @ May 5 2016, 05:01 PM)
Meanwhile a few gens old sandy bridge i7 ultrabook costing rm4k cannot play h265
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thissss

QUOTE(amon_meiz @ May 5 2016, 05:02 PM)
Interested. But me noob

Thia thing

U connect hdd (with movie inside)  to it

Then connect it to tv

Like that?

No need pc?
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yes exactly

if u familiar with kodi, its much easier fir u

QUOTE(Matrix @ May 5 2016, 05:05 PM)
What's so special about this h265 Hi10p? It's different from normal h265?? Watch hentai?
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hevc vs h264 : same quality but hevc filesize way smaller

10bit color banding thinggy only made difference if u use 10bit tv, but fansubbers degil die die wan use 10bit

anyway, h264 hi10p =/= hevc main 10

QUOTE(chokia @ May 5 2016, 05:08 PM)
not bad but still expensive
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rm300 expensive? good luck with ur laptop/smartphone then
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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ May 5 2016, 06:06 PM)
Ts

Story sikit. How to use this to setup home theather at home

Need pc or not?
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first time need to image microsd, need pc

then no need already

QUOTE(herojack41 @ May 5 2016, 06:08 PM)
ha bodo....buy xiaomi mi box everything settle
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u more bodo..bodohhh

mi box available, more expensive and doesnt support hevc main 10 yet

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QUOTE(pikacu @ May 5 2016, 06:08 PM)
msq? or mxq?
thissss
yes exactly

if u familiar with kodi, its much easier fir u
hevc vs h264 : same quality but hevc filesize way smaller

10bit color banding thinggy only made difference if u use 10bit tv, but fansubbers degil die die wan use 10bit

anyway, h264 hi10p =/= hevc main 10
rm300 expensive? good luck with ur laptop/smartphone then
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Meaning

If i already got tv and hdd full of movie

I only need pay rm300 for this item to have gooding home theatre?

Nothing else?

Easy ka setup?
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post May 5 2016, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ May 5 2016, 06:10 PM)
Meaning

If i already got tv and hdd full of movie

I only need pay rm300 for this item to have gooding home theatre?

Nothing else?

Easy ka setup?
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yes exactly

only need to.setup microsd.with LireELEC OS, then u good to go
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QUOTE(pikacu @ May 5 2016, 06:11 PM)
yes exactly

only need to.setup microsd.with LireELEC OS, then u good to go
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Ok. Last question

This also can play lower codec punya file kan?

Doesnt have to be only specifically hi10p right?
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can play ~20000Kb bitrate files?
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post May 5 2016, 06:37 PM

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Y joo gais so fast jump HEVC bandwagon when very few people use HEVC hmm.gif

H.264 still banyak, might as well stick that until HEVC bekam mainstream

Yes, for animu also
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QUOTE(marfccy @ May 5 2016, 06:37 PM)
Y joo gais so fast jump HEVC bandwagon when very few people use HEVC hmm.gif

H.264 still banyak, might as well stick that until HEVC bekam mainstream

Yes, for animu also
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If we start using now, we save dl time and also storage space...
Not mainstream as the time and resources needed to produce is really high to achieve small file sizes
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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ May 5 2016, 06:22 PM)
Ok. Last question

This also can play lower codec punya file kan?

Doesnt have to be only specifically hi10p right?
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yes, can play lower codec too, like xvid,MPEG4,etc

QUOTE(Quantum Geist @ May 5 2016, 06:30 PM)
can play ~20000Kb bitrate files?
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gimmeh sample, ill try foe u

QUOTE(marfccy @ May 5 2016, 06:37 PM)
Y joo gais so fast jump HEVC bandwagon when very few people use HEVC hmm.gif

H.264 still banyak, might as well stick that until HEVC bekam mainstream

Yes, for animu also
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QUOTE(winter01942 @ May 5 2016, 07:01 PM)
If we start using now, we save dl time and also storage space...
Not mainstream as the time and resources needed to produce is really high to achieve small file sizes
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damage : RM300
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Is usd$40 how come rm300?
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QUOTE(pikacu @ May 5 2016, 06:03 PM)
will never patched due to non-standard, better convert to hevc 10bit

animu nowadays going towards hevc 10bit already
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where? i heavy downloader in bakabt, never have seen any animu with hevc codec, even some fansub claim the picture quality improvement is too little vs hi10p and not worth time spending to transcode to hevc. The best way to utilize hevc were with low bitrate, not high bitrate used by quality fabsub
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QUOTE(pikacu @ May 5 2016, 09:01 AM)
the very capable small box to hwaccelerate hevc 10bit content with no hiccups.

Board : Odroid C2 (Amlogic S905)
OS: LibreELEC 7 (Kodi 16.1)
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^look at CPU utilization. sign of hwaccel works

damage : RM300

where to buy : http://www.hardkernel.com/main/main.php
LibreELEC : https://libreelec.tv/2016/04/libreelec-jarv...v7-0-0-release/
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why does the video says 1280 x 534? i tot you wanna show 265 codec working at 1080p
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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ May 5 2016, 06:22 PM)
Ok. Last question

This also can play lower codec punya file kan?

Doesnt have to be only specifically hi10p right?
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if most of your media are 1080p max, then might as well get raspberry pi 3, install libreELEC/openELEC/retropie+kodi, install some plugins, and attach your media to RPi 3 via USB or network and let Kodi scan your media for you.


the diff between this odroid and RPi when it comes to media, is just price. both does the same thing. when you have stuff like hevc 10 bit and whatnot then baru you use odroid.

then again, RPi 3 is about RM200 (RM180 + microsdcard), can play the same media as well, and next day delivery. and can already started playing 1080p x265 no lag for some bitrates. go with odroid if you want android. RPi 3's graphics chip is many many times better than any android's graphics chip, so potential is there.

http://my.element14.com/buy-raspberry-pi?I...undle-boards-01

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QUOTE(C-Fu @ May 5 2016, 08:22 PM)
if most of your media are 1080p max, then might as well get raspberry pi 3, install libreELEC/openELEC/retropie+kodi, install some plugins, and attach your media to RPi 3 via USB or network and let Kodi scan your media for you.
the diff between this odroid and RPi when it comes to media, is just price. both does the same thing. when you have stuff like hevc 10 bit and whatnot then baru you use odroid.

then again, RPi 3 is about RM200 (RM180 + microsdcard), can play the same media as well, and next day delivery. and can already started playing 1080p x265 no lag for some bitrates. go with odroid if you want android. RPi 3's graphics chip is many many times better than any android's graphics chip, so potential is there.

http://my.element14.com/buy-raspberry-pi?I...undle-boards-01
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Ok..

I sort of understand abit now

Meaning. If we put aside format issue

Assuming they are same format that is common.

Which one is for best quality movie?

Rpi or odroid?
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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ May 5 2016, 09:03 PM)
Ok..

I sort of understand abit now

Meaning. If we put aside format issue

Assuming they are same format that is common.

Which one is for best quality movie?

Rpi or odroid?
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No bro. Movie quality depends on the format and etc nothing to do with raspberry pi or odroid.

As for right now, it is as simple as you want to play hevc file lagless or you are fine watching videos coded in standard format nowadays. If you go this route, raspberrypi is sufficient.

Both raspberrypi and odroid are just a system/platform run like any tv box.
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gimmeh sample, ill try foe u
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I wish I can but file too huge to share.
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If we start using now, we save dl time and also storage space...
Not mainstream as the time and resources needed to produce is really high to achieve small file sizes
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Its not much honestly, i have some anime in HEVC also

The difference is prolly 50-75MB maybe higher abit. The time to encode to HEVC is much much longer since no current hardware has native support for HEVC except GTX960
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QUOTE(zerorating @ May 5 2016, 08:16 PM)
where? i heavy downloader in bakabt, never have seen any animu with hevc codec, even some fansub claim the picture quality improvement is too little vs hi10p and not worth time spending to transcode to hevc. The best way to utilize hevc were with low bitrate, not high bitrate used by quality fabsub
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never is abit under statement sweat.gif


QUOTE(Quantum Geist @ May 5 2016, 09:23 PM)
I wish I can but file too huge to share.
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can cut the media into 20sec sample or 1 min

QUOTE(marfccy @ May 5 2016, 09:46 PM)
Its not much honestly, i have some anime in HEVC also

The difference is prolly 50-75MB maybe higher abit. The time to encode to HEVC is much much longer since no current hardware has native support for HEVC except GTX960
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true, very little hw can accelerate hevc today
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never is abit under statement sweat.gif
can cut the media into 20sec sample or 1 min
true, very little hw can accelerate hevc today
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Wouldnt say few, but its really nothing sweat.gif

Even latest Skylake processor has no Hevc support (IINM la)
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why low cpu usage = play movie?

run excel macro la.
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QUOTE(pikacu @ May 5 2016, 09:49 PM)
never is abit under statement sweat.gif
can cut the media into 20sec sample or 1 min
true, very little hw can accelerate hevc today
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oni for bakabt uploads, i do see it somewhere like re-encoded small size animu (less than 100mb), but i doubt the quality will be really good. it is not a problem for me to download 500mb-1gb for every episode anymore. I am still waiting for real fansub and raw provider to use hevc codec.

Also life is too short to enjoy low quality video.

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QUOTE(marfccy @ May 5 2016, 09:52 PM)
Wouldnt say few, but its really nothing sweat.gif

Even latest Skylake processor has no Hevc support (IINM la)
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got la, native hardware support somemore
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9483/intel-s...th-generation/4

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why low cpu usage = play movie?

run excel macro la.
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got la, native hardware support somemore
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9483/intel-s...th-generation/4
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Dafuq and i read the same article as linked doh.gif

Wtf brain
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QUOTE(pikacu @ May 5 2016, 09:01 AM)
the very capable small box to hwaccelerate hevc 10bit content with no hiccups.

Board : Odroid C2 (Amlogic S905)
OS: LibreELEC 7 (Kodi 16.1)

^look at CPU utilization. sign of hwaccel works

damage : RM300

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how open is the gpu drivers , is it like Raspberry Pi where the graphics is behind NDA and i cant access them for writing my own hardware accel
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how open is the gpu drivers , is it like Raspberry Pi where the graphics is behind NDA and i cant access them for writing my own hardware accel
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So you write your own device drivers?
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if most of your media are 1080p max, then might as well get raspberry pi 3, install libreELEC/openELEC/retropie+kodi, install some plugins, and attach your media to RPi 3 via USB or network and let Kodi scan your media for you.
the diff between this odroid and RPi when it comes to media, is just price. both does the same thing. when you have stuff like hevc 10 bit and whatnot then baru you use odroid.

then again, RPi 3 is about RM200 (RM180 + microsdcard), can play the same media as well, and next day delivery. and can already started playing 1080p x265 no lag for some bitrates. go with odroid if you want android. RPi 3's graphics chip is many many times better than any android's graphics chip, so potential is there.

http://my.element14.com/buy-raspberry-pi?I...undle-boards-01
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Wow.
I have the rpi3 and I feel that it's only marginally better than rpi2. In terms of actual performance that is.

Sure is a lot better?
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why does the video says 1280 x 534? i tot you wanna show 265 codec working at 1080p
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user posted image

no point im faking it
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QUOTE(toothgnasher @ May 5 2016, 10:00 PM)
why low cpu usage = play movie?

run excel macro la.
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i wish can test crysis, but no crysis for libreelec

QUOTE(zerorating @ May 5 2016, 10:03 PM)
oni for bakabt uploads, i do see it somewhere like re-encoded small size animu (less than 100mb), but i doubt the quality will be really good. it is not a problem for me to download 500mb-1gb for every episode anymore. I am still waiting for real fansub and raw provider to use hevc codec.

Also life is too short to enjoy low quality video.
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try download hevc animu then, make sure 10bit smile.gif

QUOTE(spacelion @ May 5 2016, 10:22 PM)
how open is the gpu drivers , is it like Raspberry Pi where the graphics is behind NDA and i cant access them for writing my own hardware accel
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pretty sure someone is writing drivers to support sli out there, try look around
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So you write your own device drivers?
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sorry im still new to this.
just wanna ask, compared to raspberry pi 3 and this, which is better?
thinking of converting my previous pi project to a media centre.
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QUOTE(LuQEE @ May 5 2016, 11:41 PM)
sorry im still new to this.
just wanna ask, compared to raspberry pi 3 and this, which is better?
thinking of converting my previous pi project to a media centre.
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performance wise, amlogic s905 chipset will be better. However for flexibility and freedom, raspberry pi is the right choice as the kernel source were more open and larger community support.

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Wow.
I have the rpi3 and I feel that it's only marginally better than rpi2. In terms of actual performance that is.

Sure is a lot better?
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yeah. it's still too early, so many things need to optimise first. later can confirm sure will increase like crazy. like imagine Pi 1 playing N64 games laggy gila, then Pi 2 handled the game stable je. same with quake.

pi 2 = cortex a7
pi 3 = cortex a53

user posted image

ram speed is doubled, graphics speed is almost 2x, etc.

wait a couple of months for apps to be compiled for a53.


but still if you're tapping into the hardware direct, like the graphics chip or the DSI, better don't use RPi. buat sakit hati je. it's not important enough for them to pressure hardware makers to open up a lot of direct hardware access, because RPi is still mainly an educational device.
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can beat nvidia shield tv or not?? in price : performance ratio..
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can beat nvidia shield tv or not?? in price : performance ratio..
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in performance no, in term of performance:price ratio, absolutely yes ($40)
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QUOTE(Nels @ May 5 2016, 09:19 PM)
No bro. Movie quality depends on the format and etc nothing to do with raspberry pi or odroid.

As for right now, it is as simple as you want to play hevc file lagless or you are fine watching videos coded in standard format nowadays. If you go this route, raspberrypi is sufficient.

Both raspberrypi and odroid are just a system/platform run like any tv box.
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ok


if my file,mostly non hevc,

better rpi

if most of them hevc?

better odroid?

correct?
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mcm yes :hmm;
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this or Raspberry pi 3?
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neway check my signature if u want to buy a used pi1 biggrin.gif
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Can stream hd audio?
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New LG smart tv and 4K tv got hevc hardware decoder

Tested with few hevc x265 movies and works fine

Not sure about other tv manufacturers but hevc is the way forward, small size best quality
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QUOTE(evilsmile @ May 6 2016, 09:17 AM)
New LG smart tv and 4K tv got hevc hardware decoder

Tested with few hevc x265 movies and works fine

Not sure about other tv manufacturers but hevc is the way forward, small size best quality
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but can it handle hevc 10bit?

can handle hevc doesnt mean it can handle hevc 10bit
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this or Raspberry pi 3?
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if ur purpose for media center, i suggest odroid c2 instead. future proof for ne


QUOTE(Topet @ May 6 2016, 09:15 AM)
Can stream hd audio?
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gimme sample.and ill test for ya
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more than a year has passed, has a better option arise?
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more than a year has passed, has a better option arise?
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A lot of amlogic s9## series has gain OS support for native hevc acceleration.

Even read android also support more architecture for hevc now.
I never tested tho
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yup there are. OSMC and Wetek have their own HEVC 10bit accelerator box

Wetek Play2 and Odroid C2 shares similar SOC, while OSMC Vero 4k have better (abit) SOC than both

Ive yet to see Wetek Play2s on sale yet..so not including it

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Hi, I'm looking for vero4k player selling here in malaysia or in lazada...any info ? Thanks
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https://osmc.tv/vero/
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sorry to revive your tered bro pikacu

i'm looking to purchase a unit capable of vomiting out 4k@60fps from my hero7black.

so far i'm tied between a RM 899 nvidia shield which i'm extremely tempted, a osmc 4k vero 4k from osmc @ £107 and a fullblown htpc ryzen 5.

due to cost factor i will leave the htpc out as assembling 1 that can purge out 4K is at 1050/60 minimum and that alone havent count the cooling and board and all.

so i'm now down with shield and vero. due to vero's unavailability here in msia and the fact that i quite dislike osmc on my rpi1 which 1 is able to handle 24/7 operations ? between the vero and shield ?

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QUOTE(upcars @ Mar 19 2019, 02:04 PM)
sorry to revive your tered bro pikacu

i'm looking to purchase a unit capable of vomiting out 4k@60fps from my hero7black.

so far i'm tied between a RM 899 nvidia shield which i'm extremely tempted, a osmc 4k vero 4k from osmc @ £107 and a fullblown htpc ryzen 5.

due to cost factor i will leave the htpc out as assembling 1 that can purge out 4K is at 1050/60 minimum and that alone havent count the cooling and board and all.

so i'm now down with shield and vero. due to vero's unavailability here in msia and the fact that i quite dislike osmc on my rpi1 which 1 is able to handle 24/7 operations ? between the vero and shield ?
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1. you can vero buy from their website. they ships internationally
2. try install libreelec 9 (kodi Leia) on your rpi1 and see if you like it.
3. you compare with shield ah..ofc shield gooding lol

do you tried to look at alternative? Mi Box for example

mind you that i never tried Android TV box, only Kodi OS-box as of now laugh.gif
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QUOTE(pikacu @ Mar 19 2019, 02:29 PM)
1. you can vero buy from their website. they ships internationally
2. try install libreelec 9 (kodi Leia) on your rpi1 and see if you like it.
3. you compare with shield ah..ofc shield gooding lol

do you tried to look at alternative? Mi Box for example

mind you that i never tried Android TV box, only Kodi OS-box as of now laugh.gif
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never did try for alternatives.
for me is nvidia shield, vero4k and htpc. out of the entire lot, htpc with gtx 1060 +ryzen 5 is most expensive but proven can run 24/7 . shield and vero unknown if can run 24/7.

i have 2 units of rpi2 , 1 with osmc and 1 with libreelec but due to its inability to vomit out 4K i have no choice but to upgred it and keep it in a box. my rpi2 proven to operate 24/7 for 5 years already. never been switched off b4. that time with isengard running exodus/genesis/phoenix and azdrama and so much more.
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QUOTE(upcars @ Mar 19 2019, 02:40 PM)
never did try for alternatives.
for me is nvidia shield, vero4k and htpc. out of the entire lot, htpc with gtx 1060 +ryzen 5 is most expensive but proven can run 24/7 . shield and vero unknown if can run 24/7.

i have 2 units of rpi2 , 1 with osmc and 1 with libreelec but due to its inability to vomit out 4K i have no choice but to upgred it and keep it in a box. my rpi2 proven to operate 24/7 for 5 years already. never been switched off b4. that time with isengard running exodus/genesis/phoenix and azdrama and so much more.
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well in this thread, im using Odroid C2 which using Amlogic S905. the box running 10 hours per day, and still tip top until today. Recently upgraded to Kodi Leia and it supports Netflix streaming natively.

Mi Box S runs with Amlogic S905X on Android 8.1, which the same as Vero 4k.

can refer the chips capability here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amlogic

Nvidia Shield clearly better than everything i mentioned. It priced higher also.

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QUOTE(pikacu @ Mar 19 2019, 02:54 PM)
well in this thread, im using Odroid C2 which using Amlogic S905. the box running 10 hours per day, and still tip top until today. Recently upgraded to Kodi Leia and it supports Netflix streaming natively.

Mi Box S runs with Amlogic S905X on Android 8.1, which the same as Vero 4k.

can refer the chips capability here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amlogic

Nvidia Shield clearly better than everything i mentioned. It priced higher also.
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i've always been a sucker for small cheap stuff. tell me mroe about the odroid c2. is there a newer version ? i saw on page it goes up to 4k60fps h.265. HDR 10bit good for it or SDR ?
the rpi2 i have is always on, but mostly idle till i get back home. i pair it with Kore remote from google playstore.

u see, i only need a kodi device that shoots 4K60fps. i dun really require DTS/atmos as my soundbar can handle that portion of processing. but i really do need 24/7 always on though. rpi2 in a nice casing sets me back around under 300 bucks.

can i use Kore as a remote with odroid c2 ? osmc or libreelec ? i'll cat5e it up to my router so i dont require ac/ax/b/g/n/a . the usb port if there is any i suppose i'll connect a hdd or 2 or bluetooth dongle ? does it have inbuilt bluetooth or wifi ?

please do tell me more. i'm contemplatng between this against shield. yes i know shield is damn good. it's got android games and much more at 899 which is a bargain. but it has many things that i do not require. my only rquirmnt for a box is to play 4k movies via kodi. my downloaded and streamed frm some repos 24/7. that's why i need to consult u first. if i can save some money then those money can go to my mandarin classes tuition fees
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QUOTE(upcars @ Mar 19 2019, 04:47 PM)
i've always been a sucker for small cheap stuff. tell me mroe about the odroid c2. is there a newer version ? i saw on page it goes up to 4k60fps h.265. HDR 10bit good for it or SDR ?
the rpi2 i have is always on, but mostly idle till i get back home. i pair it with Kore remote from google playstore.

u see, i only need a kodi device that shoots 4K60fps. i dun really require DTS/atmos as my soundbar can handle that portion of processing. but i really do need 24/7 always on though. rpi2 in a nice casing sets me back around under 300 bucks.

can i use Kore as a remote with odroid c2 ? osmc or libreelec ? i'll cat5e it up to my router so i dont require ac/ax/b/g/n/a . the usb port if there is any i suppose i'll connect a hdd or 2 or bluetooth dongle ? does it have inbuilt bluetooth or wifi ?

please do tell me more. i'm contemplatng between this against shield. yes i know shield is damn good. it's got android games and much more at 899 which is a bargain. but it has many things that i do not require. my only rquirmnt for a box is to play 4k movies via kodi. my downloaded and streamed frm some repos 24/7. that's why i need to consult u first. if i can save some money then those money can go to my mandarin classes tuition fees
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odroid c2 is lilr rpi. soc that you can install anything

yes it can handle 4k hevc 10bit

yes can install libreelec/osmc and android also

yes can use kore

yes have ethernet port. no it doesn't have built in bluetooth nor wifi. only built in ir receiver

did you check the product page? its all there

and good luck with your tuition
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TS, please play with this one next: https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-a...s-all-ai-models
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Decode or transcode?
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Decode or transcode?
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Decode.
You need dedicated soc like those used in dvr for realtime transcode acceleration

Wait you're talking about hevc h265 x265 right?
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TS, please play with this one next: https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-a...s-all-ai-models
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too new, need to wait for software support...if any

heck, nvidia didn't annouce to provide android/linux image for their box? that's a bad start..
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TS, please play with this one next: https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-a...s-all-ai-models
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actually in all honesty, i really do believe in the pwoer of nvidia. be it cuda or tegra. the only reason why i'm tempted for small built is due to my usage of 1 application only. i think USD 129 is a good price, i really do. however because i only primarily use 1 application which is kodi, i think i should be able to go SoC do perform just that 1 function which is much cheaper.

it was because of this thread that made me re-think about shield. i dun game nor do i do any other funky stuff. i have my desktop for that. so if i can save some money and push it for my tuition, then it would be more advantageous to me.

i will stress again, i am a huge fan of nvidia's performance be it cuda or tegra. i feel its like top notch but a bit too overpowered with what i'm going to do with it. its a waste of processing power.
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