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post Sep 2 2016, 03:25 PM

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I think the bond is secured against assets most likely to be their empire subang gallery.

Then again if you are bond holder, do you want to go thru endless rounds of restructuring if the company miss the coupon payment or cant pay when come to bond maturity. No play play for those who need to keep going to bond holders/creditors meetings.
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post Sep 3 2016, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(Giant @ Sep 3 2016, 12:19 PM)
subang is going to be sold, what else need to be secured?
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If i m not mistaken , the options was either sold right or use it secure against bond. If they go for second option , mean the investment bank confident of getting enough institutional players to take up the bond or they willing to put it in their own book lor.
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post Sep 30 2016, 08:36 PM

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I think depend on banks , some are more lenient after u settle all outstanding instalments and write appeal letter. Some are more strict and make life difficult for u. Either case, to revert back to original rate, developer or u must quickly settle money owed first. And also ur ccris will be koyak for the period until it drops off from record, u have to convince the banker for ur next loan how it is not ur fault and up to them whether to consider it.

8% is a very stupid cost of borrowing. Thats like 10,800 more interest u pay every year for a 300k loan consider normal borrowing rate of 4.4%
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post Oct 1 2016, 12:51 AM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Sep 30 2016, 10:14 PM)
It's was like above 10% 20+yrs ago. It's quite fair for banks to charge those who alwiz miss the due date for installment ma. It's biz thou.
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Banks did the right thing , ultimately biz is biz. It is just stupid of defaulters landing themselves into such situation.

20+ years ago , interest rate was higher, market less efficient, bank margin much higher.......pretty much every developing country went thru that stage. Like maybe China and Indonesia now. Eventually the gap between borrowing and deposit rates will shrink as banking system mature.

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post Oct 1 2016, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(kradun @ Sep 30 2016, 10:13 PM)
When bank give loan 300k at 4.4% then it will also have to get the money from somewhere ie 300k from fd at 3% or saving account at nearly 0%.

If the consumer withdraw fd on monthly basis at a fixed amount until the capital fully depleted in the next 30 years, then the initial years bank will also mainly pay for interest then at later years only reduce more capital.

Purely based on mortgage is not earn that much la, what earn more are those credit card, personal loan, late payment penalty etc.
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Mortgage rate is the lowest among most of the borrowing costs cause it is supposedly the safest. The margin is not fantastic but is OK as it gives the bank stable and safe net interest margin and usually it wont explode in your face like other sour loans. Some banks like it maybe their cost of fund is very low compare to peers.
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post Oct 9 2016, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(DS4 @ Oct 8 2016, 08:12 AM)
Put it this way,
In term market confident and financial viability during the stage of the development,
The bank and financial institution are highly confident in taking over the development project as soon as the completion of the substructure and superstructure.
That's why we always see a lot development project get abandoned before the completion of the structural works.
Upon completion of this structural works,
It's quite easily for financial institutions to look for further development right to continue those abandoned project as less hassle in dealing with overall rigidity of building that done by third parties previously.
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There are a lot of abandoned projects which have done structural work. More recent one : selayang spring n the boss in klang. No financial institution will put their feet into the shit hole taking over abandoned project and face hundreds or thousands of angry buyers. They will only make sure one thing , when the company is liquidated , they get to claim back their portion by hook or by the crook saja. They will not be there to save the world and neither people expect them to.
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post Oct 16 2016, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(Irenehoo @ Oct 15 2016, 04:32 PM)
It's a matter of give and take. There are many interested buyers want to buy EC and pick dead chicken like me. Vendor ady selling 10% below market price together with developer free gift leh. If I still ask Vendor to give me 1 year I'm sure he will not sell to me. That time I was not the only interested buyer viewing the unit.

What I meant for 6 months is when I sign offer to purchase, I put a clause there "subject to 90% loan approval within 21 working days". 21 working days ady 1 month. Then lawyers to draft SPA within 14 working days. There already 3 weeks. After signing SPA, the Vendor will need to pay 1%of the purchase price to the developer for developer consent to fulfil the condition of SPA, there we can drag another month, after that we go for normal 3 plus 1 month, another 4 months there already.

Flip or rental, either one lo. After I signed the SPA with the Vendor, the Vendor must sell the unit to me with the agreed selling price. If later he regrets wanna abort the sale then he will need to return my 10% downpayment and pay me additional 10% damages. Likewise if I abort the sale I will need to pay him 10% damages.

I always check on iproperty website and I can see many agent posting low price but actually maybe only 1 or 2 units are available for that price. Only those sellers who are desperate to sell willing to let go at cost price which they bought in year 2010, bear in mind the vendor still need to pay 2-3% agent fee, 1% developer consent fee, legal fee and they have been paying bank interest and maintenance for quite some time. They are selling at this price merely to cover their cost only. Whether the owner default his own instalment or having financial problem is not my concern. What i know is if the askinv price dropped more that means the vendor is making loss ady.

Besides that, I'm also considering the construction costs, transportation cost, petrol plus the bloody hell gst, inflation, ringgit depreciation when I bought the property. If I buy other cheap under con property from unknown developer, the risk of developer abandon the project is higher than me buying EC (cos EC ady got CCC), if I buy from big developer the price is not as attractive as EC.

2 years ago also got ppl willing to buy at 350k & 380k, if the mall really can be completed by June next year, I think it definitely will go back to 350k & 380k, even RM1k per sq ft is also possible.
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I dont think the mall will start operate for at least another year let alone 6 months from now but I suppose you have done ur analysis. Anyway 300k + is not some live or die huge risk too. Wish u luck. I hope the mall can open eventually.
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post Nov 17 2016, 02:29 PM

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empire remix should be less painful as the progressive claim is probably small seeing how little work has been done. Empire residence is the one buyers should feel the pain as the absolute amount per unit and the % claim is big.
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post Feb 3 2017, 12:40 AM

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Just wonder did the contractors , suppliers or banks etc etc aggressively pursue the outstanding amount now since 570mio in pocket. If miss this chance , might have to wait long long long time to see the money again oh

 

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