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 [Done] My lapped Thermalright XP-90 + Pictures, No need to vote already, just enjoy!

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TSJ-Slade
post Jan 6 2007, 09:28 PM, updated 19y ago

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The story is like this, I bought myself a Thermalright XP-90 and I have lapped the heatsink and I got about 2°C off. But I didn't do it properly cos was quite new to lapping and also I didn't have the proper equipment (instead of a flat glass, I used a square tile to put on). So well, they say lapping a heatsink could get you about 5°C off but thats just the best case scenario...

I used Arctic Silver 5 thermal paste and well, I think it has reached its 'optimal' 200 hours of sinking in cos I find a further 2°C off...

Right now, I need ur opinion. Should I re-lap my heatsink? or just leave it be? Consider all the Pros & Cons

- Further lapping might only shave off 1~2°C or none at all!
- Have to wait another 200 hours for the TIM to 'sink-in'
- Arctic Silver 5 is expensive to re-apply!
- Might damage my CPU cos take in and take out...

I need your advice for those who are familiar with heatsink lapping.  notworthy.gif

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Btw, my current temperatures of my rig (as can be seen in my signature) is about
Idle - 40°C
Load - 48°C

Yea, my system is kinda hot. But thats cos its the good ol' socket 754  sweat.gif


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Thank you guys for your feedback. I have decided to lap my heatsink after all. The votes came pretty even and actually it was cablesguy who eventually talked me into lapping the heatsink sweat.gif

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So this is how it looks like when I unplugged the heatsink. Sorry the image is blur cos I was using my phone's camera cos I forgot the charge the battery of my digicam doh.gif
Yes I know, some of you might say that I have applied the thermal paste wrongly (I applied the whole square instead of putting one dot in the middle then let it spread).



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A very dusty Thermalright XP-90. But I use the fan in a 'suck out' position which actually accumulates less dust than the normal 'blow in' position.... (don't think serong okay! tongue.gif )



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One thing I made a difference this time is that, instead of just using tissue paper to wipe the thermal paste off, I used alcohol (I can't afford Arctic Clean sad.gif ). Yes it is very crucial the wipe using alcohol cos after I wipe it clean with tissue, I used alcohol and the tissue still became 'black'.

AND...........






*drum rolls*




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YEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA..... its done!! Lapped using:
600 > 800 > 1000 > 1500 > 2000 > 1500 grit.... Oops yes I went back to 1500 after 2000. I think its the quality of the sandpaper I bought. The 2000 grit one gave me worse results than 1500. It seems that I can only achieve the 'mirror shine' with 1500 grit.



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Nice.... nice..... very nice happy.gif



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Also very nice... hehe... rclxm9.gif



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and last but not least.... the Heatsink Lapper... or Lappist... argh... anything...

As for the temperatures.... hohoho... I'm sure everyone is very curious how it is doing. All I can say is, I'm getting the same temperatures as before I lapped. Which is GREAT news biggrin.gif Cos when the Arctic Silver 5 needs time to 'sink-in' so yea... 200 hours from now I will post my results...

*Extras*
Here are some tips from me when lapping your heatsink:
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1) Altho the tutorial said let the weight of the heatsink carry the workload, I suggest using your strength to push it onto the sandpaper. I could not get a mirror shine without the pressure.

2) Doesn't mean you have to work all the way to 2000 grit. I worked from 600 > 800 > 1000 > 1500 > 2000 > 1500. Yes, I worked backwards on the last one cos it seems that the 2000 grit one gave me worse results.

3) Please use only glass to lap on. The flatter the surface, the better the results.

4) If you have money, go for 3M sandpaper. Unlike me, buy those cheap 'cap ayam' sandpaper from hardware store...

5) Don't lift up the heatsink half way to see your progress. This makes the contact point different and when you place it back on the sandpaper, it will be back to square one.


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post Jan 6 2007, 10:52 PM

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Anyone else can gimme other suggestions on how to further improve the cooling capabilities of my Thermalright XP-90?
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post Jan 6 2007, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(J-Slade @ Jan 6 2007, 10:52 PM)
Anyone else can gimme other suggestions on how to further improve the cooling capabilities of my Thermalright XP-90?
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There is one way though, altough it has a negative effect to you're body... laugh.gif

Change the fan to a super fast fan, but offcourse, the effect would be a noisier fan, and you can be deaf in no time... laugh.gif
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post Jan 6 2007, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Jan 6 2007, 11:09 PM)
There is one way though, altough it has a negative effect to you're body... laugh.gif

Change the fan to a super fast fan, but offcourse, the effect would be a noisier fan, and you can be deaf in no time... laugh.gif
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Haha... right now running on Nidec 92mm fan at 3000rpm. I find this the most comfortable 'noise level'. How much more can it go down if I run faster? (I can run it max at 5700rpm but I will be deaf before I even come out to work sweat.gif )
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post Jan 7 2007, 03:36 AM

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Just leave it be... 1~2°C is not worth the trouble.

1~2c is not a big deal, As long as ur cpu temp is in the range of reasonable temp. Spend more time on other things would be better choice laugh.gif
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post Jan 7 2007, 12:28 PM

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lapped it till it bleed, hahaha laugh.gif

if ur temp is in a reasonable range than better leave it hands.gif

but if u the kind who wants to get the best out of ur heatsink, than lapped it till it bleed rclxms.gif
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post Jan 7 2007, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(E-J@1 @ Jan 7 2007, 12:28 PM)
lapped it till it bleed, hahaha laugh.gif

if ur temp is in a reasonable range than better leave it hands.gif

but if u the kind who wants to get the best out of ur heatsink, than lapped it till it bleed rclxms.gif
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lap it till it bleed or lap till I bleed? sweat.gif


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post Jan 7 2007, 01:33 PM

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i dont think it is worth your time and the risk for something that most probably wont do you any good. hehe
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post Jan 7 2007, 01:50 PM

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erk.. off topic. ts, i wanna tumpang in ur thread. hehe..

does a scrath on bottom of heatsink will cause a big diff? i just noticed that my tt blue orb got a sratch at the bottom of it.
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QUOTE(serez @ Jan 7 2007, 01:50 PM)
erk.. off topic. ts, i wanna tumpang in ur thread. hehe..

does a scrath on bottom of heatsink will cause a big diff? i just noticed that my tt blue orb got a sratch at the bottom of it.
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Hmmm... I think thats the purpose of thermal paste. To fill the gaps if there are any... like scratches and microscopic holes... depending on how bad the scratch is, i guess it shouldn't affect the performance.
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post Jan 7 2007, 02:14 PM

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the problems is i`ve already applied the as5. ok review back the problem.

before scratch, i`ve applied cm thermal compound with tt blue orb 2.
idle temp = 36, load 45++

then after i`ve done some modd on casing, i remove the blue orb, then suddenly the bottom of it scratch with some screws. i reapplied the thermal compound using as5. suddenly it changed
idle = 39, load 46++

so.. i really2 need to lap the hs.
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post Jan 7 2007, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(J-Slade @ Jan 7 2007, 01:23 PM)
lap it till it bleed or lap till I bleed?  sweat.gif
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lap it till both bleed, hahaha laugh.gif


QUOTE(irangan @ Jan 7 2007, 01:33 PM)
i dont think it is worth your time and the risk for something that most probably wont do you any good. hehe
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ur right, not worth for 1-2 celcius...


QUOTE(serez @ Jan 7 2007, 02:14 PM)
the problems is i`ve already applied the as5. ok review back the problem.

before scratch, i`ve applied cm thermal compound with tt blue orb 2.
idle temp = 36, load 45++

then after i`ve done some modd on casing, i remove the blue orb, then suddenly the bottom of it scratch with some screws. i reapplied the thermal compound using as5. suddenly it changed
idle = 39, load 46++

so.. i really2 need to lap the hs.
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eerrrr, ur AS5 already sink in or not? but still if the AS5 didn't sink in, i think it won't drop the temp a lot when it sinked but it u may get ur previous temp back...

if not then again just lap it la till both bleed laugh.gif

anyway, what mod u done on ur casing? care to share it with us rclxms.gif maybe the mod that causing the temp to be higher than before but we all need to know what u modded it yawn.gif
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post Jan 7 2007, 02:33 PM

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haha nothing much la. minor mod oni sweat.gif
just lapik the mobo with thin sponge, added 2 blow holes (120mm on top, 2x80mm on side panel), change psu and that`s all.. erk.. wait a minute.. does the serabut wires will block air flow? bcoz the previous psu all sleeved. and this new one don`t sleeve yet. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(serez @ Jan 7 2007, 02:33 PM)
haha nothing much la. minor mod oni sweat.gif
just lapik the mobo with thin sponge, added 2 blow holes (120mm on top, 2x80mm on side panel), change psu and that`s all.. erk.. wait a minute.. does the serabut wires will block air flow? bcoz the previous psu all sleeved. and this new one don`t sleeve yet. laugh.gif
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Yes it will...
So, tidy up all the cables... smile.gif
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post Jan 7 2007, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(serez @ Jan 7 2007, 02:33 PM)
haha nothing much la. minor mod oni sweat.gif
just lapik the mobo with thin sponge, added 2 blow holes (120mm on top, 2x80mm on side panel), change psu and that`s all.. erk.. wait a minute.. does the serabut wires will block air flow? bcoz the previous psu all sleeved. and this new one don`t sleeve yet. laugh.gif
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see maybe ur new psu causing the temp be higher, but never thought i would affect that much though, cause never experience once...

so try to sleeve up the wire, manage it (sorok la mana2 tempt) then tell us ur temp, i bet it will drop, at most u will get ur previous temp back rclxms.gif
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if u hardcore y not..jus lapped it..end is even 1 or 2c drop only but u still satisfy..is about meeting ur expectation as well having some fun doing DIY

if u can tahan den jus leave it..1 or 2c makes no different at all as long dun overheat..
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TS, think about this, if you're going to lap again, what would happen if the temperatures goes wrong?

What i'm trying to say is, what if after u've done the 2nd lapping job, and the results is worse than what you're having right now...

Seriously, stay with what you're getting right now...

Just my 2cents... smile.gif
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Jan 7 2007, 03:03 PM)
TS, think about this, if you're going to lap again, what would happen if the temperatures goes wrong?

What i'm trying to say is, what if after u've done the 2nd lapping job, and the results is worse than what you're having right now...

Seriously, stay with what you're getting right now...

Just my 2cents... smile.gif
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let me get this straight, if u lapped goes wrong will the next lap fix it? or cannot fix already & need to get the new cooler hmm.gif
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QUOTE(E-J@1 @ Jan 7 2007, 03:07 PM)
let me get this straight, if u lapped goes wrong will the next lap fix it? or cannot fix already & need to get the new cooler hmm.gif
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Maybe yes, maybe not...
Who knows... sweat.gif
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post Jan 7 2007, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(E-J@1 @ Jan 7 2007, 02:50 PM)
see maybe ur new psu causing the temp be higher, but never thought i would affect that much though, cause never experience once...

so try to sleeve up the wire, manage it (sorok la mana2 tempt) then tell us ur temp, i bet it will drop, at most u will get ur previous temp back rclxms.gif
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aiyo.. i`ll try it later. still busy with final exam papers. laugh.gif
anyway.. cannot tahan anymore ler with sleeving jobs. i spent 6 hours to sleeve all cables at previous i-cute psu. sweat.gif and now this enermax oso need to sleeve. maybe next time. sweat.gif

so nothing to do with the heatsink lah?

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