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chocobo7779
post May 10 2016, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(chanhin @ May 10 2016, 09:45 PM)
Thanks for all the information.

Possible to be less than 5 seconds... It would be really nice.

If it is not possible, what is the bottleneck? I/O speed again? What if I buy another Samsung Pro 950 and RAID 0 them to double the bandwidth? Will it be using 8x PCIe? Or sharing the same 4x PCIe? Is i7 fast enough to software RAID them?

Sorry for so many question as really newbies in SSD...  rclxub.gif
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No difference - there's always the software limitation. icon_idea.gif

RAID SSDs are not worth it - they usually don't give much tangible benefits. (more or less showing off big benchmark scores) icon_idea.gif

There's always bottleneck - you cannot eliminate it even if you have infinite power. icon_idea.gif
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post May 10 2016, 09:52 PM

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Wait when you say 5 secs is from the moment you press the power button on the case till you see your working desktop?


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post May 14 2016, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ May 10 2016, 09:51 PM)
No difference - there's always the software limitation.  icon_idea.gif

RAID SSDs are not worth it - they usually don't give much tangible benefits. (more or less showing off big benchmark scores)  icon_idea.gif

There's always bottleneck - you cannot eliminate it even if you have infinite power.  icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(Vannus @ May 10 2016, 09:52 PM)
Wait when you say 5 secs is from the moment you press the power button on the case till you see your working desktop?
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Sad.. I measure from the boot time where my Gigabyte logo gone until saw desktop. It took 12 seconds.. really disappointed. puke.gif

Is it normal with Windows 10 home? Or because I installed application issue? Or Norton Anti-virus issue?

I had downloaded Samsung software and confirm reading speed exceed 2.2GB/s and reading exceed 900MB/s. Thus I am confused rclxub.gif

Do hope the expert can advise... Possible need defragmentation on C? notworthy.gif


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post May 14 2016, 09:31 PM

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I have the same issue on my new pc. More than 10s from the point i press the power button till my desktop windows is ready. I read about it on internet, the culprit is your mobo taking too long to initialize whatever it has to. There is a settings in bios under ram config, you van turn it to enable and now the time taken is about 5 secs

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post May 14 2016, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(chanhin @ May 14 2016, 08:21 PM)
Sad.. I measure from the boot time where my Gigabyte logo gone until saw desktop. It took 12 seconds.. really disappointed.  puke.gif

Is it normal with Windows 10 home? Or because I installed application issue? Or Norton Anti-virus issue?

I had downloaded Samsung software and confirm reading speed exceed 2.2GB/s and reading exceed 900MB/s. Thus I am confused  rclxub.gif

Do hope the expert can advise... Possible need defragmentation on C? notworthy.gif
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Never defragment a ssd - doing so will reduce the ssd lifespan. Disabling the splash screen will significantly reduce boot time. icon_idea.gif
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post May 24 2016, 09:57 PM

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Now my new desktop is finally with acceptable boot up time...

New problem... I found both my phone and tablet boot up time is double of my deskstop... biggrin.gif
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post Jun 4 2016, 01:34 AM

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QUOTE(chanhin @ May 24 2016, 09:57 PM)
Now my new desktop is finally with acceptable boot up time...

New problem... I found both my phone and tablet boot up time is double of my deskstop...  biggrin.gif
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Lol dude.. Enough is enough la haha
Dont think too much. Ur spec is good enough now
Last time i also bising why my boot speed take 10-ish second but then, fuck it. I raid 0 them, now boot time and loading time is more than enough for me.
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post Jun 4 2016, 02:36 AM

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QUOTE(buyoq @ Jun 4 2016, 01:34 AM)
Lol dude.. Enough is enough la haha
Dont think too much. Ur spec is good enough now
Last time i also bising why my boot speed take 10-ish second but then, fuck it. I raid 0 them, now boot time and loading time is more than enough for me.
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Yeah... No need to demand too mush. As long as acceptable performance then should be satisfied. Understood... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Apr 24 2016, 11:56 AM)
I've used both SATA + NVME SSD
The difference between both is negligible as not a lot of apps / games can utilize NVME

Windows 10 Cold Boot Time (Fast Boot Enabled)
Single HyperX SAVAGE 240GB : 9 seconds
Dual HyperX SAVAGE 240GB RAID 0 : 15 seconds
Samsung 950 PRO 512GB : 3 seconds (I kid you not)

But it all comes down to your pocket
If you can afford NVME, go for it
If you think an NVME SSD is too expensive, then go for SATA SSD
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Owh, i believe a lot of people believe your words. tongue.gif

QUOTE(chanhin @ May 24 2016, 09:57 PM)
Now my new desktop is finally with acceptable boot up time...

New problem... I found both my phone and tablet boot up time is double of my deskstop...  biggrin.gif
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Yeah. After using SSD in my own PC, kindly like wanna replace my workplace hard drive computer, but cannot do so. When i help people to fix their PC problem, also kinda like very frustrated with the booting speed. vmad.gif

Down the line, i think the most important is that the regular maintenance schedules is the most important 1.

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post Jun 5 2016, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(Quantum_thinking @ Jun 4 2016, 10:11 PM)
Owh, i believe a lot of people believe your words. tongue.gif
Yeah. After using SSD in my own PC, kindly like wanna replace my workplace hard drive computer, but cannot do so.  When i help people to fix their PC problem, also kinda like very frustrated with the booting speed.  vmad.gif

Down the line, i think the most important is that the regular maintenance schedules is the most important 1.
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Yeah... After getting new desktop with the excellent Samsung 950 Pro, I was having problem using my Asus ultrabook. End up today also change the laptop HDD into SSD. I can feel the speed at least doubled up.

Anyway, maybe because my laptop SSD is still SATA3 based, it still lost to my desktop 950 Pro noticeable...
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post Jun 5 2016, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(chanhin @ Jun 5 2016, 12:00 AM)
Yeah... After getting new desktop with the excellent Samsung 950 Pro, I was having problem using my Asus ultrabook. End up today also change the laptop HDD into SSD. I can feel the speed at least doubled up.

Anyway, maybe because my laptop SSD is still SATA3 based, it still lost to my desktop 950 Pro noticeable...
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Bootup not noticeable between m.2 and sata ssds. Maybe during extensive transfer file or big program loading or rendering yea. Playing games, web browsing and watching movies both are same fast.


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post Jun 21 2016, 08:31 PM

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Hi... I am also considering getting pcie ssd... may I know what was your issue earlier with the slow boot time?

Any other updates a free using another month?
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QUOTE(chanhin @ May 24 2016, 09:57 PM)
Now my new desktop is finally with acceptable boot up time...

New problem... I found both my phone and tablet boot up time is double of my deskstop...  biggrin.gif
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post Jun 21 2016, 10:10 PM

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Are you referring to both M.2 and Sata SSD with SATA3 interface or the M.2 is actually pcie?

Thanks.


QUOTE(Vannus @ Jun 5 2016, 12:56 PM)
Bootup not noticeable between m.2 and sata ssds. Maybe during extensive transfer file or big program loading or rendering yea. Playing games, web browsing and watching movies both are same fast.
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post Jun 21 2016, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Jun 21 2016, 08:31 PM)
Hi... I am also considering getting pcie ssd... may I know what was your issue earlier with the slow boot time?

Any other updates a free using another month?
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I forgot to install the Samsung NVMe driver... hahaha tongue.gif ONce installed, performance siok thumbup.gif

My ultrabook now also with latest SATA SSD.

IMO, PCIe SSD might be 4 to 5x faster, but practically is less than 2x faster due to limited in other components such as CPU etc. When we are using 5x faster SSD such as PCIe, Our CPU is not 5x faster.

If our CPU and other component is infinity speed, then we should experience lots of differences.

Am I happy with my Samsung PCIe 950 Pro? Yes and No.

Yes - I love its performance. Even in the future there are drive 2x faster than my Samsung, actual performance improvement should be little due to other limitation.

No - I regretted having bought 256GB version. Should had bought 512GB. Why? When you found out the performance is so great, you tends to open your eyes and imagination... And with new usages... It will translated into additional capacity required.
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QUOTE(chanhin @ Jun 21 2016, 11:18 PM)
I forgot to install the Samsung NVMe driver... hahaha  tongue.gif  ONce installed, performance siok  thumbup.gif

My ultrabook now also with latest SATA SSD.

IMO, PCIe SSD might be 4 to 5x faster, but practically is less than 2x faster due to limited in other components such as CPU etc. When we are using 5x faster SSD such as PCIe, Our CPU is not 5x faster.

If our CPU and other component is infinity speed, then we should experience lots of differences.

Am I happy with my Samsung PCIe 950 Pro? Yes and No.

Yes - I love its performance. Even in the future there are drive 2x faster than my Samsung, actual performance improvement should be little due to other limitation.

No - I regretted having bought 256GB version. Should had bought 512GB. Why? When you found out the performance is so great, you tends to open your eyes and imagination... And with new usages... It will translated into additional capacity required.
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how fast is your boot time?
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post Jun 23 2016, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(yokoloco @ Jun 23 2016, 03:43 AM)
how fast is your boot time?
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few time faster than my Samsung tablet and phone and android box boot up time...

Now I hate my Android... laugh.gif
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post Jun 24 2016, 07:47 AM

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yea.... note 5 boot up not really fast actually..... rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

QUOTE(chanhin @ Jun 23 2016, 07:10 PM)
few time faster than my Samsung tablet  and phone and android box boot up time...

Now I hate my Android...  laugh.gif
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post Sep 2 2016, 09:14 AM

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Hi... did you manage to identify the issue here?

From the moment I press power button.. it will take a few seconds to beep... then show the Asus ROG logo for my case... but once after that very fast boot up to Windows already....

I am just thinking what is causing the delay from power on button until the beep sound... that one a bit long....

QUOTE(Vannus @ May 14 2016, 09:31 PM)
I have the same issue on my new pc. More than 10s from the point i press the power button till my desktop windows is ready. I read about it on internet, the culprit is your mobo taking too long to initialize whatever it has to. There is a settings in bios under ram config, you van turn it to enable and now the time taken is about 5 secs
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u definetely will smile.. alot!

even my old samsung 850 evo make 7 sec boot make me smile everytime i start my pc
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QUOTE(salimbest83 @ Sep 2 2016, 09:18 AM)
u definetely will smile.. alot!

even my old samsung 850 evo make 7 sec boot make me smile everytime i start my pc
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Last time I always sleep my computer or turn on my computer earlier if I have to use it. Now no more worry on bootup speed.

Anyway, PCIe 4.0 is coming... Will it double up the read/write speed? And further cut down the boot up time? hmm.gif

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