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post Sep 8 2016, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(lowya @ Sep 8 2016, 06:01 PM)
@4lenAngel

USD still weak, short Gold means long USD, its premature entry.

It's relevant to ask yourself, when price approach a trendline/s/r/boucezone, what is the confirmation that you would like to see before having the conviction that the price will bounce and not continue to cross over the zone/line as mentioned.

so, what is your confirmation method?
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nobody really knows where the price wanna go sometimes. (or how high)

those who have deep pockets have different strategies because they have deep pockets.
their position can go negative a few hundred pips for a few weeks is also ok.

this is example of short covering, whatever breakout retest all happens like this
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IMHO, the only confirmation is only through ur money management, if your wins can cover many losses, thats when u make money.
indicator follows price, PRICE follow the money, money is not always permanently BULL or BEAR.

if i were the banks, i will let price violate the SR to show breakout, then later whack it down kuat kuat until u all lost.
then on chart, u'll see a fake breakout laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Sep 17 2016, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(thedarktraveller @ Sep 16 2016, 02:05 PM)
Hey sifus. I'm looking to start learning on Forex Trading. Appreciate if you guys can direct beginners like me to a platform where we can learn about it. Thanks!
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Biggest obstacle for a trader is not the market but himself.

You can't do shit on the market, just yourself and the system

What is yourself ?
1. Discipline
2. Pain tolerance
3. Money management
4. Stress management

System
1. Technical base
2. Fundamental
3. Both

Knowledge to turn your psychology of a normal person to become a trader however is not available. Lol
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post Sep 17 2016, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(troller2 @ Sep 17 2016, 04:08 PM)
Make it automated and you can eliminate all the psychological factors. Like HFTs, they have a very high win rate, making lots of money. Also Algo traders, making lots of money using algorithm.
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That's out of our range.
Unless u have a few hundred millions or billions

Then there are no automated bots which can work based on technical based unless u can see real exchange data.

All the forex robots are marketing gimmick by brokers to draw in deposits, later when these bots start to make money, they will play slippage, rejected orders and things like that.

I've seen those scalping bots basically work on very bad R:R ratios. And bots are not so smart to factor in volatility as it changes throughout the years.
Let's say now u set ur bots SL to be 30pips. This is based on movement from last month. So this month the 30pips becomes too small, rendering it unprofitable.
So u continue tweak to 40pips, then this time, the take profit couldn't hit that well.
So u continue to tweak-adapt-tweak-adapt cycles.


The only HFT that works is all based on order sizing n speed


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post Sep 17 2016, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(lowya @ Sep 17 2016, 06:09 PM)
yes the AI now is smarter than those who underestimates bot's ability.

Very simply one can code %ADR as a measure of range for TP and SL.

there are many indicators measuring volatility if u bothered to google.
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Smarter but does it make money ??

I've read about those bots developed by hedge funds, they either work by having these advantages
1. Speed
2. Market order flow
MT4 is just tip of the retail pie only. The real exchange is at EBS Thomson Reuters n the other one.
Data type got special order flow subscription well into 6 figures per month.
That's what advantage big players have over us
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post Sep 18 2016, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(troller2 @ Sep 18 2016, 05:06 AM)
You are wrong in many things here.

You clearly don't know much about what you are talking about. There are many retail algo traders who make good money out there. Look at top automated systems at myfxbooks and other similar sites. You can find that the robots are profitable for years.

Talking about volatility, how do you know the robot trade based on the volatility, it could be based on other things and the stoploss and take profit are not necessarily hardcoded like you mentioned 40 pips, 30 pips, which made me think that you are an amateur. Also, volatility could be measured which could be coded. And yes, the robot can adapt to volatility.

Lastly it is not impossible to access the order flow in forex futures, anyone could if you have a forex futures account.

Have you ever coded a real algo robot (forget about 30 pip stoploss or something similar)? if you have not, please do not say that a retail trader could not make an algo robot.
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Scalping robots don't work first of all.
Volatility is a variable and changes all the time, just like weather.

Btw forex futures represents maybe less than 15% of global volume. Real volumes are not available for retail levels.
Retail level is like traditional fisherman while those hedgefund n banks readings are like fisherman with underwater radar. That's their edge over us.

My programmer friend worked with a seasoned trader, previously keep tweaking it until they gave up.
As volatility changes, u need to tweak it.

Unless yours have wide SL which u see their equity chart climbs up slowly and drops down like a cliff. A few consecutive losses burns the account.

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QUOTE(troller2 @ Sep 18 2016, 09:25 AM)
From what you have written you have very limited knowledge about algo and quant trading. Let me correct you.

I am not sure what you mean by scalping robots, because most HFTs are scalping. If your term is limited to MT4 robot, then I am not sure. 
Some algo or quantitative trading do not use volatility as their variable, their strategies discount volatility, hence volatility does not affect their trading.

It does not matter how many percent it represent, even it is it 1%, you can still access the order flow. You clearly do not understand how futures and spot forex work and how they are separated. Why you want to know the real volume in the first place when you already have forex futures with depth of market?

Your programmer friend is probably an amateur who works with MT4 without the knowledge of other platforms and knowledge of quantitative/algorithmic trading.  Tweaking will only curvefit the robot, that's where your friend went wrong.

Again you are talking about huge stoploss and small stoploss. I recommend you to read more on quant and algo trading then we can talk at the same level/frequency.
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Scalping robot refers to mt4 based. I'm saying that those technical based bots on mt4 doesn't work for long due to changing volatility because most of it rely on technical entries like breakout, moving average cross over.
So they tune the bots to follow certain market conditions for trade but then can't work as well when volatility changes.
Unless the bots are using very wide SL.
Over the years I see those bots making money for a couple of months which later account burnt due to changing market conditions n volatility. That's why broker use bots to lure ppl to use robots because most of the time confirm lose after a while.

The big guys HFT is all based on front running orders. Or practically speed and also order based. (Quant or algo trading the only thing which works if not those big guys won't dump in tune of hundreds of millions)

Regarding futures and spot fx.
For every single tick the value of transaction is different.
Futures are based on contract, every tick represents a fixed contract size.
Real exchange ticks are based on a variable contract size. 1 tick=usd 100mil during active hours. During non active hours maybe 1tick=usd 10mil. Transacted amount is unknown behind every tick. The exchange do sell these data for premium price

MT4 is a time based price platform. Moving average is time based rather than tick/volume based.

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QUOTE(thedarktraveller @ Sep 18 2016, 11:18 PM)
Thank you fellow sifus for your insights. How was it like starting out? Did all of you learn by just checking out websites?
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there are so many information and misinformation in the market.
it's a long journey to filter out which works and which doesnt.
thats why only small percentage of ppl make it.

are u willing to sacrifice 2-3years constant study, try-fail-sweat-tears ?
same goes to the saying only small percentage of ppl can come out from casino with profits and be consistent with it.

not to discourage you, but it isnt as what brokers' video showing
deposit > use indicator > profit > big car + pretty gf + yacht

if u are willing to pay the price, be resilient then and able to change yourself then u can go ahead
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post Sep 22 2016, 09:37 AM

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would buy the low area of pound. reversal otw

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post Sep 23 2016, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(icyd @ Sep 23 2016, 09:21 AM)
i retired last year and just restarted demo this week.why is it always easy in demo but the moment went live things gone completely sour like last time.i want to go live again but a bit scared.i know im total noob but if i don't start i wouldnt learn.what do u think about my achievement in demo?

last night i set sell limit a few pips too high.otherwise i would have made another 100 or so
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psychological problem.
thats why only 5% of people made it

can give u very good system but if u cant handle fluctuations, or pain threshold is low, then u will be scared the fuck out of the trade
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QUOTE(troller2 @ Sep 27 2016, 03:54 AM)
Mechanical is 100% objective and no subjectivity.
If your interpretation of price action, trendlines and so on are subjective then it is doomed to fail sooner or later because every time you execute the trades you will use your own subjective judgment.
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so to you which has higher probability then ?
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QUOTE(kabyss87 @ Sep 27 2016, 09:46 AM)
Well, come to think of it, it is quite true to a certain extend. IMO subjective judgment could be improve through trial and error in each trade and it will work well provided one had figure it out how it works.

So its better to beginners to start off with a trading system heavily reliance on indicators (Objective tools) then?
In this case, anyone here who are interesting to get out to have sharing session or just have a drink or two  tongue.gif

There are actually many free trading systems out there for copy, i've tried some posted in forex factory, but somehow i could not get a consistent result despite trading within the rules. There is a gap i need to fill up and i think it was due to my poor understanding certain areas which i don't even know where to focus on... Price action? Trendline? candlestick analysis? or i'd have to make use of all of them together??
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every single piece of them combine together makes a perfect picture.
news as well

sometimes central banks speech week cannot be traded because everything will go sideway or go crazy
u apply whatever technical analysis is pointless
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QUOTE(vapew @ Sep 27 2016, 09:50 AM)
yupp. thanks alot buddy.

any of you here use alligator in your chart? if yes, is it a reliable indi for identifying trend? or does it just end up clustering your charts
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alligator is a trend friendly indicator.
when no trend it's not your fwen
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post Sep 29 2016, 07:23 AM

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QUOTE(Alissa_1989 @ Sep 29 2016, 03:53 AM)
so, u mean every walk/step is an independent movement, that's why u called it random walk instead of process ?
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The market is an unpredictable place.
If u understand food chain of the market then u know why it's called unpredictable.
Where there is no fixed top or bottom because this is the market after all.

Who has more capital, orders / data information, controls news ultimately is at top of the food chain.



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QUOTE(Xexion @ Oct 1 2016, 01:45 PM)
Hi by looking at the Daily chart it seems 2014 May to 2015 March EU drop continuously non stop. Do u still remember what news trigger that?  confused.gif thanks.
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few factors
1. breaking up of eurozone
2. greece issue
3. china stopped supporting euro high price (previously china try to cushion euro due to bond purchase)

something drastic enough to change long term economic outlook is capable to swing prices at monthly chart only

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3rd OCT outlook.

please be reminded that JPY & CAD chart is reversed

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post Oct 7 2016, 07:34 AM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Oct 7 2016, 07:30 AM)
GBP crashed... i think many died...
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dafuck got burned a lil'

this monday the range become unstable, gapped but dint retest, then plenty of sells even at monthly low....shit



i think it's intentional because GBP is 'managed' by their central bank to float within 1.5% of the range.

this fat finger order is very huge

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Oct 7 2016, 09:04 AM)
Later UK opens, may be another round tsunami...
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hard to say, this is deliberate attempt because it's done before japan session.
extremely thin market, all ppl sleeping.

anyway, BOE allow this to happen wan, pound always fluctuate around 1 to 1.5%, it's managed round the clock.

in order to cause it to drop like that, dunno one shot dump how many billions

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QUOTE(cmk96 @ Oct 9 2016, 12:30 AM)
Each time such unexplanable event occured... its an opportunity to discover something new. There are market insider who predicted the crash 1 day before it happended. Look like i need to subcribe it at 999 usd a year. We need some edge in trading.
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u must be trolling laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(cmk96 @ Oct 10 2016, 07:03 AM)
Y u think so?
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1. because once the secret is out it's no longer a secret.
if u are able to bribe millions of pounds and u know someone inside BOE or someone's wife working for BOE that i believe.
for 999USD very unlikely. If u have the info would u sell online or sell to someone like George Soros ??

2. this is drop is "allowed" by BOE btw, u see even when CHF devaluation 1,500pips annoucement made, GBP did not get affected that much also, and well within the 1% to 1.5% daily fluctuation range.
central banks only allow their currencies to move within certain range, this move is around 4% to 5% in a few ticks

3. i overlay futures data for my side, after it gapped on monday, started to look a bit weird as the buyers disappeared, then on thursday morning this happened

therefore i conclude that something as large as a central banks wants this to happen or coordinated with BOE allowed it to break like that.
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QUOTE(cmk96 @ Oct 10 2016, 08:10 AM)
Forex is a huge market. The market insider i meant is information coming from investment banks. Not BOE or g.soros. there are 3 investment banks made huge profit from the flash crash last week. The reason not many will know the moves because not many willing to pay the "huge" subcription fee. Nowadays BOE can't do shit on the pound. They can't fight the whole world if there are too much sellers. I dont expect any interference by BOE. They know Brexit will bring down the pound.
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thats what i'm trying to tell you.
this move is a very huge dump, very very huge dump. active hours to move 1pips need USD20mil.
this maybe in the tune of 10 billion on the dump side, and 10B on the 1.2 area.
and this was done before japanese market open means it's deliberately done. (everyone sleeping)

usual modus operandi is to break layer by layer using less money

and Central Banks usually have put a lot of stops to "manage" currency to move in the 1~1.5% range.
until now BOE did not order investigation, means they indirectly allow this to happen


again for your 999USD. i believe they wont leak it out for that price. because it's too little and not worth it because it will ruin their plan

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