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samkps
post Apr 12 2016, 03:43 PM

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1.) How much Speedrent charge for this service?

2.) If the credit card of the tenant cannot be charged, how Speedrent guarantee the owner will get the payment for 3 consecutive months? Speedrent as the guarantor?

3.) How long speedrent is up and what's the capital paid-up of the company?

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post Apr 12 2016, 04:26 PM

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My personal opinion on this system:


For landlord:

Advantage:
- It may make your unit easier for rental due to "easy entry cost" because potential tenant pay less initial cost for renting your unit

Risk/disadvantge:
- Instead of getting one lumpsum of deposits (2+1) at the start of tenancy, you only will get it at the end of tenancy, on monthly installment basis.

Example: Rent is RM 2k/month. Landlord instead can collect a big lumpsum RM 6k (2+1 month deposit) at the starting of tenancy, now need to wait till the end of tenancy only can collect the RM2k at last 3 months.

- If the guarantor (speedrent in this context) not being able to pay you the deposit at the end of tenancy due to some unforseen circumstance, then GG. Although it is unlikely, but landlord to bear this risk.



For Tenant:

Advantage:
- Easy entry to rent a house, no need to have high initial commitment to rent a house.

Example: Rent is RM 2k/month. Instead need to pay all the initial deposit cost RM 6k, now just need to pay RM 2.2k then already can rent the house.


Disadvantage/Risk:
- Tenant need to pay 10% extra for this service. I am not sure this 10% is for first month or for additional consecutive months. It just like someone borrow you cash to pay the deposit and charge you 10% of it.

- This system is leveraging the future credit card repayment capability of the tenant. If tenant already committed to the rental due to low entry package but not able to service it in the upcoming period, then GG.



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post Apr 12 2016, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(natman @ Apr 12 2016, 04:31 PM)
I think landlord also have risk, say if the tenant just rent for 1 month with 50%off without deposit but paying extra 10% for service charge
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I suppose the guarantor (speedrent) in this context shall pay the landlord the deposit in three months time, even they fail to charge the tenant credit card, no?

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post Apr 12 2016, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(natman @ Apr 12 2016, 04:37 PM)
like that die lo
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Erm, no die lah, if speedrent still can pay you. But all this hassle can be mitigated if the deposits are collected upfront.
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post Apr 12 2016, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(natman @ Apr 12 2016, 04:42 PM)
"IF" worst is tenants move house plus move out the fittings as well, like acond and furniture wah jialat lo.
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Lol... I think the question here is simple, regardless how nasty the tenants, landlord will only get the 2+1 months deposits, either you collect it directly from the tenant upfront or from the guarantor speedrent.


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post Apr 12 2016, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(JianNinety @ Apr 12 2016, 05:12 PM)
I am just looking out for the tenants also ma.
1 month 50% discount then 11 months +10% so its still 60% increase assuming tenancy agreement is 12 months.

No agreement stopping tenant from moving out? Tenancy agreement?
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A big loophole..

Let say market rental RM 2k, I rent the first month, pay RM1k rental, then move out the second month, can? Need to pay fine? I cancel the credit card, can you sue me? Court case because the rental of RM 1K?

Tenancy agreement can tie someone from moving out? sweat.gif sweat.gif

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post Apr 12 2016, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(sasaug @ Apr 12 2016, 05:31 PM)
Before I start, disclaimer I'm working for Speedrent, but I always been the negative/abuse guy in the company, finding loophole to exploit most of the time tongue.gif This will be my own fair share of opinion.

First, bad tenants are expected in some way or the other and we try our best to address this. This is bound to happen, so the 3 months guarantee is similar to you receiving your 2+1 deposit. We tackle this issue by volume, if we get let say 50 houses, and 2-3 bad cases, we still able to absorb(staying in green) while you as the landlord couldn't do so.

Second, it's a trade off, pay 10% extra or pay 2+1. I'm 24 and I'm able to pay for my deposit but some people prefer to have extra cash on hand to do business/for any emergency uses while paying an extra 10% fees for this flexibility. It depends on how you value your "stucked" cash. A 1.5k unit means you will have 4.5k stuck to your landlord and as a previous tenant myself, sometimes getting back the deposit from certain landlord isn't a pleasant experience.

Low entry cost is the key point here which means you might deal with more problems as per said. There is a credit card upfront, which means you will need to pass your credit score check upfront, so that saves us a hassle, as the bank already do the job for us.

Early proper warning is another key point to take note here. Some tenants can make up excuse like I'm overseas etc, but you can't lie when your credit card can't be swiped. But then, people like you and me, will say they can say it's issue with bank etc. Remember the 3 months guarantee? Speedrent will transfer you your monthly rent(1st day of the month) regardless if tenant already pay or not, so the stress is actually on Speedrent to get back the cash. Think about it, you don't care anyhow also, you still guaranteed 3 months on-time rent.

It's actually more stress on us to get this to work out and trust me, I been throwing a lot of loopholes/negative feedback for months before we finally come out with this. It's a risky business for us, not much on landlord/tenant side.

What's the worse abuse I can think of? To steal everything then cancel off their card(which already in red, so they need to clear before they can cancel it anyway). Then we turn 1 big round, come back to all the original problem you would face when you renting out your place normally with 2+1 deposit. If they don't cancel it, we still able to charge the card for extra damages they had done, so there is an extra way to get more from your tenant now, instead of just 2+1.

I see a few tenancy agreement questions so I try address it here. We have our own digital signing platform(http://startsign.speedrent.com/), its a normal tenancy agreement with extra clause on no deposit scheme. This is of course by the law, legit, all drafted by our lawyer.
As a point from business, you need to look at this, not as a conventional business way, it's more towards startup style, where we trial and error and pay for our losses as a fees for the experience and continue refining our service to meet the market demands. We probably looking at like 5-10% bad cases which led to the negative view on having bad tenants. Just to tackle this issue, the whole industry decide to implement such regulation, but indirectly it makes house harder to rent out, tenants not able to even rent place even tho they can get the cash flow to finance the monthly rental. We understand it's a huge change to how the industry works, which is why it probably going to be a rough ride and will take a lot of effort just to get this thing to work. It's a very sleepy industry isn't it, very old school way of doing stuff, so time to breathe some fresh air?
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What's the advantage of speedrent for tenant compare to using the cash advance function in the credit card?

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post Apr 12 2016, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(satrianeo-x @ Apr 12 2016, 06:51 PM)
I pressume they are betting that only a certain percentage will cause issues like run away etc. And they have taken that into consideration, calculated risk and went ahead anyway. In any case when bad cases happen too frequently, contingency plan needs to come into play when it reaches a certain level. Airbnb may have such issues too. Good luck speed rent.
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Actually the business model is very simple:

1.) Speedrent convince the landlord to trust them by not imposing the upfront deposit on renting the property. In return, Speedrent will provide service to ensure the landlord to get the rental on time. If it is good tenant, then everybody happy. If in case of bad tenant, Speedrent will compensate the landlord with maximum 3 months rental. In terms of monetery, landlord does not earn anything extra by not having the upfront deposit. Landlord is only getting the service that rental will be bank in on time without the need to chase / follow up with the tenant.

2.) Speedrent will then engage with possible tenants that not willing/afford to pay the upfront deposits to rent the house, by tie up their credit card with the rental. As a result these tenants no afford/willing to pay the upfront deposits, they are being charged by Speedrent at 10% extra on the rental. This 10% rent is the operating gross profit of Speedrent for providing the service.

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post Apr 12 2016, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(satrianeo-x @ Apr 12 2016, 08:25 PM)
Ah I see. That's quite a bit ain't it at 60% per annum.
On the other hand, I would rather not rent to someone who can't fork out the deposits.
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10% is according to the owner as in Post #22 and Post #23
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post Apr 13 2016, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(Fortezan @ Apr 13 2016, 08:51 AM)
I think the success of this will depend on the number of tenants who are willing to use this platform, as landlord will go where the tenants are. So from tenant's perspective, what are the benefits for using this platform?
Tenants are actually paying 10% extra just so they can avoid the deposit upfront (correct me if I'm wrong), so for those who can afford the deposit, I don't see any benefits for using this platform. Even if I were to put the deposit saved in a fixed deposit, the interest generated will be far lower than the extra 10% I have to pay every month.
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Actually this is a platform for rental. Tenant most likely can still proceed to pay the deposit in full if they willing and afford to do so.

Speedrent just provide another alternative for those not afford/willing to do so, but yet want to rent a house, by leveraging their credit card repayment capability.

For landlord, one will trade off the bulk upfront deposit collection with a rental receive on time service.

For tenant, one will trade off the bulk upfront deposit payment with 10% rental surcharge.

Willing landlord, willing tenant, no absolute gain for either party.

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post Apr 13 2016, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(hakamika @ Apr 13 2016, 09:34 AM)
If speedrent concept is try to eliminate or exclude agents to be part of the system, it will eventually not growing but ended up just surviving or to be ceased.

I can't see that rental price is fixed like selling items in alibaba or taobao. It is still need a negotiation that agent needed to be third party to provide the services to connect the parties. 

At this stage, speedrent chance to succeed, i guess is 20/80
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I presume the platform provide avenue for landlord and tenant to have direct communication and negotiation? hmm.gif

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post Apr 13 2016, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(hakamika @ Apr 13 2016, 09:42 AM)
Save half month rental but to get landlord himself to do the filtering & negotiation and also the preparation of tenancy agreement? personally would rather give agent to do it if rental price is not high..
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I presume Speedrent shall provide the tenancy agreement service as well. But it is true enough, some landlords may not have time to deal with all this but some don't mind to have direct communication with the potential tenant. Speedrent provide an alternative choice for the latter group I suppose.
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post Apr 13 2016, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(stevenkkt @ Apr 13 2016, 09:58 AM)
I have advertised my condo in speedrent some months ago, the response is quite lukewarm.
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post Apr 13 2016, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Apr 13 2016, 10:42 AM)
only owners can advertise, agents cannot.

If you advertise more than 2 properties at a time, you will get a call from Speedrent, as they may suspect you are the agents.
Similarly, if any prospect tenant sends in any enquiries for properties in the different areas, say Semenyih, Klang, Rawang at one time, then it is suspicious...Speedrent will also filter them out.

I think Speedrent is doing the good jobs in filtering.
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How speedrent filter multiple fake/dupe owner accounts? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Apr 13 2016, 10:42 AM)
only owners can advertise, agents cannot.

If you advertise more than 2 properties at a time, you will get a call from Speedrent, as they may suspect you are the agents.
Similarly, if any prospect tenant sends in any enquiries for properties in the different areas, say Semenyih, Klang, Rawang at one time, then it is suspicious...Speedrent will also filter them out.

I think Speedrent is doing the good jobs in filtering.
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How speedrent filter multiple fake/dupe owner accounts? hmm.gif

 

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