Warlord Shaman
6/8 Tier 1
1/8 Tier 2

Haven't raided in nearly 8 months =/

Raiding/PvP during Semester break November - Earthquake in Taiwan that pretty much killed off any chance to play WoW now.

Rogue Tier 1 - Head/Body/Leg/Feet
Rogue Tier 2 - Bracer/Head

Mage - Full HWL Set/Spellblade

Human warrior

T1 - 3/8
T2 - 4/8

Head of Nefanian
Head of Onyxia

Night Elf Priest

Former Grand Marshal with PvP Tier2 accessories
8/8 Tier 1 and 2
7/9 Tier 3
Also, has some PvE tier 2 and 3 accessories. Killed all current bosses on the game.

My profile is on my signature.

This post has been edited by TristanX: Jan 3 2007, 03:16 AM

NE Rogue

8/8 Tier 1
8/8 Tier 2
3/9 Tier 3

60 Mage

8/8 Tier -1
8/8 Tier -2

-8/8 Tier 1 ( I owe some bosses some lewt )
0/8 Tier 2
0/8 Tier 3

But i got some greens and blues that make me look like a sakai .

60 Troll Hunter

Tier 1 - 8/8
Tier 2 - 2/8

Dual HWL Cleavers and Rhok de'Lar

Use CTProfiles lar

8/8 Tier 1
8/8 Tier 2
0/8 Tier 3

I left the game before naxxramas was out..

8/8 Tier 1
5/8 Tier 2
2/8 Tier 3

Warlord set

All so power one.. GG

CTProfile load so damn slow, sometimes the items won't even load =/

Feb 7th, 2005: 8/8 Valor!

Hey, it was a huge deal back then

Gnome Mage

6/8 tier1
8/8 tier 2
1/5 tier 2.5
5/9 tier 3

wraith blade,nef tears and etc

my profile:
http://ctprofiles.net/4270931

you got it right on!

Lucifron was so damn challenging back then.

mc is a sad place for me.as we wipe more than aq40/naxx and bwl.even when most of us are aq40/naxx equip

MC and BWL are sad places for my guild... We have done MC for years and we never gotten a home-grown Thunderfury... We were among the first few to kill Nefarian and we never had an Ashkandi...

Frostmourne? Im from FM too btw lols.

@MetalBrain
lol than u would know my guild the infamous KOF haha

@ray123
nef only drop like 2 asscandy for us o.o.hmm we only got 1 part of it but a guidie got 2 parts on 1 run with pugs lol how pathetic

The Eye of Rag dropped for my guild the 3rd time we ran MC but they wouldn't let me have it even after I begged in the "cutest" voice that I could over vent. (

Haven't been raiding for a longgggggggg time now. My priest, which i wanted to transfer when the Earthquake struck is still in my old server:((
She's in 6/8 T1 and some other purples from ZG and AQ20.

[Ashkandi, Greatsword of the Brotherhood]

BAM!!!
p.s: KOF suck on FM

This post has been edited by mE_duNNo: Jan 3 2007, 04:11 PM

I've been in raids where better geared mages were being outdpsed by not-so-well-geared mages. Hell, I've even seen a lock in 4/8 Tier 1 and he was below the MT and OT in dps charts! How the fark that happened, idk... maybe he was afk half the time or watever.

End of the day, IMHO its not how GEARED you are, its how GOOD you are!

Agreed! When I first went to MC with my guild, I was in blues and a couple of greens. The best geared person was our MT who was in 3/8 T1 plus other blues. We managed to get to Geddon with that and 3 weeks later we cleared Rag. Subsequently farming MC at under 4 hours. Then drama happened (as usual) and 70% of the guildies left/quit the game. At that time our guild has become quite famous and many people wanted in. These people are in epics and waving their benedictions around. Yet, we couldnt even get past Sulfurion. Took us about 2 more months to actually down rag again.

So...yeah, I agree that skills > gears.

The reason his DPS sucks is because he is wearing tier1

sigh.......
2/8 tier 0 lol

still haven reach lvl60, all becoz of that stupid earthquake, if not now 60 liao....sian

It's not that. Depends on how you spec. If you speced for PvP, you gonna suck on PvE raids. PvP spec has more damage but only for a short period. Raids are long period battles especially bosses. You are a lot more mana efficient if you speced for PvE. That's the difference.

yes its all about specs especially if ur a mage , as fire and frost spec have alot of diffs in dps.

Yes, your specs make a difference, so do gears. I was in WSG once and I had a mage+hunter on me. I dotted them and kept healing myself and both of them ran out of mana and I was still healing myself happily. Why? Coz their gears suck.

BUT

IMO skills are still the most important factor. E.g. when my guild first tried Skeram, we kept wiping because the 2 OTs kept dying. They died because they weren't getting any heals. They weren't getting any heals because their healers were all OOR or out of LOS. All the healers did was kept screaming OOR! OOR! over vent but doing nothing about it. It's our job to keep the OTs alive. If they're OOR then you should get in range. Not scream at the OTs to get in your range. Even with the bestest gears, with mindsets like that, I doubt the raid would be a successful one. Of course there will always be incidents of bombing the whole raid during Vael & Geddon, riding on Ony's tail etc which all boils down to skills, reflex, and common sense.

What I'm trying to say is that for a successful raid, all 3 factors: gears, specs, skills do matter but if you have to say which one is the MOST important factor, I'd say skills.

But yeah, for mages, specs matter a lot more. A fire mage in MC.......

This post has been edited by seen: Jan 4 2007, 03:32 PM

no offense but that would be more of a strat problem , with a good strat , you dont really get los / oor probs on skeram

and for a raid , i'd say gear > spec > skills
high end gear more than makes up for spec deficiencies
also , gear gives you more room for error , which in turn helps make up for lack of skill = p

for mages all specs are pretty much raid viable now , be it in MC or naxx , in my opinion at least .

and like some1 already said , mage t1 is teh sux ... your better off in random stuff from zg / aq20 / 5 man instances

This post has been edited by Heemee: Jan 4 2007, 04:01 PM

i feel undergeared reading this thread /cry

@nocturnus: love your char.. gear is bonus

agreed. nothing is more satisfying beating down a full t3 pally after he bubbles with mixed epics from ZG,AQ20&40,BWL and MC.

i prefer skills>gear>specs especialy if ur in naxx

well it depends on which fight
fights like thaddius/4h are extremely gear dependent tho
no doubt skill is important too , but there are some fights which focus more on gear

don't worry tier 3 will be old news soon

and...new epic raids will be 25man. no excuse not to be able to raid than...

Thaddius/4h is all about the raid or I should call it "Teamwork". Anyone that is dreaming or lagged on Thaddius could kill the raid. One wrong move on one of the divided "Teams" for 4h will spoil that fight, especially letting the tank die on Morgraine or leaving the tank being meteored on Thane at the wrong time. It's not gear dependant at all. Even with 4/9 Dreadnaught, there are a few times that our tanks got the taunt resisted 3-4 in a row which is retarded. I won't have that problem if I have a tank with proper gear though. There are some "backup taunts" for warrior.

Mmorpgs are always class/gear > spec > skill for PvP.

skill > gear > spec for PvE.

An average player with best gear could beat a good player with 1 tier behind gear. Don't believe it? Try fighting dps classes at tier3. This game's itemization sucks for non-dps class.

This post has been edited by TristanX: Jan 5 2007, 01:40 AM

I R DPS (post 1.8)

thats what i meant oO .. unless u mean a netherwind mage with sotsf beating a mage in frostfire with soulseeker / a'tiesh.... i dont see that happening >.<

and on thadd , i really doubt undergeared ppl can down him before enrage , ppl dreaming / dc / not paying attention to thaddius arrows = lack of concentration / bad isp or luck ... has nothing to do with skill
and on 4h , if u thought 4/9 was getting resisted a lot , its even worst without lol

i dont know , i just think skill is seriously overrated in PVE , all it takes is just 40 ppl with the right gear and attitude / concentration and a bit of luck to kill stuff

pvp tho is a different story , where skill prevails or in the case of WoW can be replaced by engineering lol

I beg to differ at this point. Gear play a major influence in PVP. With good gear you stay alive longer. BUT that doesnt mean they are better. I personally only uses mix MC and BWL gear as a mage and whooped 4 horde's ass none stop in WSG while they are all sporting BWL and PVP geart.
Its a combination of 1 rogue, 1 shaman, 1 mage and 1 warrior. ( Thank god no priest or warlock, phew)
Skill can take a lot of the balance out of gear. With good skill, you can make a lot of damage against oponent that are geared godly.

huh? What is OOR? theres no OOR in a priest dictionary.

When u are equiped with at least 5x tier 1.. you should remove OOM in dictionary except for fight like nefarian, or twin emp onward.... else. gkick:P

I beat full tier3 mage with Atiesh(PvE speced) and Warrior with Might of Menethil(PvP speced) with my priest(PvE speced) because of my class advantage. I've done 5 rounds against any class.

If a mage with tier3 with atiesh speced arcane power, I won't have any chance to beat them because it's too cheesy. Getting sheeped eating 5k fireball crits is not something that needs skill. Warlocks could kill you with 1 deathcoil combo at this gear level too. Rogues that speced PvP with double trinket plus tea has zero chance for priest to win if they are not PvP speced.

Any dps class now outdps heals too. Priest's main strength is healing if you are not shadow. I have to heal till oom or no chance to heal at all at tier3 level.

Don't talk about skills if you don't experience the damage from dps class at tier3.

Gear definitely > skill now. Any mmorpgs don't need skill anyway.

I already started playing cs and sc again after retiring for more than 3 years. No point wasting my damn time playing competitively on WoW cause gear of classes spoils the class balance it used to have last year.

This post has been edited by TristanX: Jan 5 2007, 01:54 PM

Now thats the problem. Priest is called priest coz they heal . If a healing class outdps a dps class dont you think there is a problem there?

And skill is not damage. Skill is skill. Get that straight. If skill comes from how fast you can whack a person with omg trinket-pom-pyro then you are totally misguided. Skill is the fact you can outmanuveur and use the correct spell at the correct time. Dont talk about skill if you dont know what it is.

Edit: Sadly i agree that gear sometimes really make a lot of difference. unless you are really really good.

Edit again: But damn, don't you love it when you are undergeard,under assault and are running solo while able to whoop those that are above geared. more then 3 and are good combination of class?

This post has been edited by reveur: Jan 5 2007, 02:01 PM

i survived BWL up to Nef and up to fankriss in AQ40 with a 2 pieces of t1, 1 piece of t2, some pvp pieces (pre 2.0 that is), ZG and some random blues, i'd say skill > gear any day of the week.

you'll change your mind in naxx =) to be honest , the only place u start noticing gear importance is twin emps onwards

in the case of pvp , its rock , scissor and stone , just that in WoW , with skills or gear , scissors can beat stone and so forth
pvp is the only field where skill can make as much of a difference as gear , in my opinion at least

This post has been edited by Heemee: Jan 5 2007, 04:19 PM

cant get to naxx with 20K MS latency. >.<;

haha yeappppp
sigh tmnet for the m'fukin win i guess

QFT. and only yesterday we were celebrating for actually managing for logging ON TO WOW!

/cry

Edit : removed rant about latency issues to relevent thread.

This post has been edited by nocturnus: Jan 5 2007, 04:53 PM

tmnet never ceases to amaze me
day after day they somehow manage to screw up in ways unimaginable
truely , tmnet should be made posterchild .... for '101 ways how not to run a company'

*cough* wrong thread for isp problems.

TMnet isn't to be blamed this time.

lrn2earthquake

tmnet is to be blamed for not having a contingency plan / not getting off their asses and finding alternatives routes tho

but yea , leave this in the other thread

8/8 whites

/dance
/train
lol

@nocturnus

u survive cuz its a 40man run not 1 man run heck a green can survive bwl or aq40 when others all are epics.


some bosses are just plain dps only not much skill is needed like example patchwerk spam dps spam healings ofcourse that fight is also a gear check.some u need skills like grobbius a pally kitting those zombie will need some skills if not those zombies will attack the raid .

the only fight I found challenging for the first time is razorgore... That fight plain need teamwork and skills...

pshh alliance = ez mode. try being horde for once.

Killed Viscidus before? It's horde ez mode on this one but I did it. Infact Razorgore is easier for horde.

This post has been edited by TristanX: Jan 6 2007, 10:35 AM

I must suxxors playing WoW, I run around NAKED

Gear > Skill in some situations....skill > gear in others, there is no hard and fast rule.

My friends and i can do UD in 29min with baron down, in aq/zg gear, while some ppl in T2 still cant do it, so skill > gear

My guild hit a roadblock at ossirian, while we were still in zg/aq gear, wiped 10-15times, as we couldnt keep our MT alive....so we started on MC, when our MT's and OT's had about 3-4 T1 we went back and wtfpwned ossirain with the same team....with no deaths, so gear > skill

choose horde for pvp,choose alliance for pve =) but that is going to change when bc is out

Why oh why did they decide to put a "pretty boy race" into Horde? Sigh...

Hey.. Horde have a right to look at pretty chicks too!

IMO orcs, trolls, and esp undeads are pretty gorgeous chicks in the non-sissy, non oh-we-are-so-weak-we-can't-even-carry-our-own-torsos way. Tauren chicks just irk me though.... though Tauren males in G-strings dancing on top of mailboxes are a sight to behold!

Gack! Tauren in G-strings.. dont remind me of the image.. its scary!

*Shivers*

Warbear woolies n harness = Ultimate tauren G-string set

I need to /follow Ripchord everywhere with my naked Nees and /dance in front of you!!

I wish the female Orcs look like the ones in Lineage II...

2 out of a gazillion. yay for Horde.

as a whole Alliance PVE are better than Horde. but then again, Horde side seem to be leading in world firsts. weird huh.

lol alliance got so many eazy fights it makes us horde look bad.
but then horde got mostly all the first kill makes u wonder

Kill Viscidus and Razorgore then if you think alliance got many easy fights. Horde has advantage on those bosses.

its because nihilium refuses to whine like the rest of the horde guilds and instead chooses to do something about it
other horde guilds just b**** endlessly about blessings and fear ward lawl

btw horde worlds firsts - cthun and KT
the rest of naxx / aq was between d&t and risen
i would hardly consider that 'mostly'

*added* speaking of which , im sure ppl remember under what circumstances horde got the world 1st cthun

im not sure what the current statistics are , but last i checked , there were only 2 horde guilds which killed KT , 1 of which has been disbanded due to exploiting
so make of it what you will =)

This post has been edited by Heemee: Jan 15 2007, 07:59 PM

The player development on every server also affects the world server firsts. Not all servers can kill the strongest boss in the game at the fastest pace.

Thaddius was very hard due to lag because Illidan was on old hardware. Thaddius is super easy after they upgraded our server.

This post has been edited by TristanX: Jan 15 2007, 08:57 PM

i heard nihilium server have the worst lag among wow europe server

This post has been edited by colincsf: Jan 15 2007, 11:12 PM

lollers just 2 fights?

A lot of Alliance guilds on learning phase used the DI trick to cheat through Razorgore encounter to get free epics. One of those grey areas that Blizzard wasn't tough on. So, Razorgore is easier on Alliance than Horde, thanks to the DI exploit.

But I think Alliance win because they have much higher population, so they have many raiders to fill 40mans.