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TSwcloh111
post Dec 31 2006, 08:35 PM, updated 19y ago

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hi! i just bought my xbox360 2 weeks ago and it is my first console game biggrin.gif
With my 32" HD ready LCD TV, i only can set it to 720p or 1080i and with my bare eye, i really cannot tell which one is better.
My question is;
Theorytically, which one is better? 720p or 1080i?
If my HDTV is only 32", do you think 720p and 1080i is more then enough? or it will better if it is 1080p?

*btw, the GoW graphics is really fantastic and stunning! drool.gif
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post Dec 31 2006, 08:38 PM

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The 1080i format is more widely supported by manufacturers and broadcasters; broadcasters however would normally broadcast only in either 720p or 1080i but not both. This should not be much of an issue in that any HDTV set you buy should be able to display pictures in any HDTV format by up-converting or down-converting to its native format, i.e. the one in which it is designed to produce a picture.

Theoretically, from a pixel-count perspective, 1080i supports better spatial resolution than a 720p HDTV. In theory, 1080i supports a pixel count of over 2 million pixels as against the 0.92 million pixels supported by 720p HDTV but...

In reality the situation is somewhat different when it comes to an interlaced format. As already expressed earlier on, the difference between the two halves of an interlaced image leads to interlaced artifacts. In order to reduce the visibility of these artifacts, the vertical resolution of an interlaced signal has to be filtered. That reduces the real image vertical resolution far below the number of scan lines (typically 60% of the number of lines), associated with the interlaced format.

Yet there is also another issue against interlaced video, that of digital compression of images. Digital compression of images is more efficient with progressive video at the source than interlaced video. Compression is necessary to make images fit into the space allocated for a broadcasting TV channel. Further more, 1080i material is limited to around 1440 pixels horizontally, which reduces even more the overall effective resolution of the 1080i format.

The end result: The actual difference in effective resolution between 720p and 1080i is almost negligible. Further more, a 720p display is capable of a better flicker-free picture when it comes to fast moving action movie scenes and sports.


And what about 1080p? The situation with 1080p HDTV is totally different. The horizontal resolution of 1080p HDTV material is equal to the number of scan lines since there is no need to reduce this as in the case of interlaced material. This means that 1080p supports the full 1920 x 1080 pixels (2.07 million pixels) while at the same time, enjoys the added benefit that all 1080 lines are displayed in a single pass.

In other words, 1080p HDTV enjoys the best of both worlds - it has the spatial resolution of 1080 HDTV material and the smooth stable image of a progressive scan format. flex.gif

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post Dec 31 2006, 08:40 PM

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p scan at the same time


i scan vertical then horizontal.....

correct me if i wrong

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post Dec 31 2006, 08:56 PM

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If I remember correctly the P in 1080P doesn't stand for Progressive Scan, it stands for parity so it's not the same as 480P or 720P.
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post Dec 31 2006, 08:57 PM

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if u cant see any difference between 720p and 1080i,then why bother asking which one is better? rclxub.gif
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post Dec 31 2006, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(Microsuck_360 @ Dec 31 2006, 08:38 PM)
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The 1080i format is more widely supported by manufacturers and broadcasters; broadcasters however would normally broadcast only in either 720p or 1080i but not both. This should not be much of an issue in that any HDTV set you buy should be able to display pictures in any HDTV format by up-converting or down-converting to its native format, i.e. the one in which it is designed to produce a picture.
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ya... regardless 720p or 1080i, as long as i am satisfied with it!

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post Dec 31 2006, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(marauderz @ Dec 31 2006, 08:56 PM)
If I remember correctly the P in 1080P doesn't stand for Progressive Scan, it stands for parity so it's not the same as 480P or 720P.
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1080p is the shorthand name for a category of video modes. The number 1080 represents 1,080 lines of vertical resolution,[1] while the letter p stands for progressive scan or non-interlaced. 1080p is considered an HDTV video mode. The term usually assumes a widescreen aspect ratio of 16:9, implying a horizontal (display) resolution of 1920 dots across and a frame resolution of 1920 × 1080 or about 2.07 million pixels. The frame rate in hertz can be either implied by the context or specified after the letter p (such as 1080p30, meaning 30 frames per second).
P for progressive. BTW, happy new year everyone, it's already 2007 here in Adelaide! party.gif cheers.gif Going to a joint to celebrate, along with fireworks show here.

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 31 2006, 09:27 PM)
P for progressive. BTW, happy new year everyone, it's already 2007 here in Adelaide! party.gif  cheers.gif Going to a joint to celebrate, along with fireworks show here.
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No wonder i couldn't call u, i forgot ur in Aussie laugh.gif

Anyway Happy New Year bro~! Enjoy the drunken scenes there laugh.gif smile.gif
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post Dec 31 2006, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 31 2006, 09:27 PM)
P for progressive. BTW, happy new year everyone, it's already 2007 here in Adelaide! party.gif  cheers.gif Going to a joint to celebrate, along with fireworks show here.
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QUOTE(wcloh111 @ Dec 31 2006, 09:23 PM)
Thanks! rclxms.gif
ya... regardless 720p or 1080i, as long as i am satisfied with it!
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for games progressive is better, so 720p are more suited.
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post Jan 1 2007, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Jan 1 2007, 01:37 AM)
for games progressive is better, so 720p are more suited.
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ic... then let me go for 720p! thanks biggrin.gif
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post Jan 1 2007, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(wcloh111 @ Jan 1 2007, 11:20 AM)
ic... then let me go for 720p! thanks  biggrin.gif
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unless u have 1080p HDTV and ya games support 1080p ...u can the different.. sweat.gif anyhow 720p is already 'cun' mah for 32 inch... thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Microsuck_360 @ Jan 1 2007, 11:23 AM)
unless u have 1080p HDTV and ya games support 1080p ...u can the different.. sweat.gif anyhow 720p is already 'cun' mah for 32 inch... thumbup.gif
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actually I have a 40 inch Samsung R7 screen at my shop~ by setting to 720p and 1080i~ from my eye view.. I Can't really see any different..


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post Jan 1 2007, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(DjiNn @ Jan 1 2007, 11:29 AM)
actually I have a 40 inch Samsung R7 screen at my shop~ by setting to 720p and 1080i~ from my eye view.. I Can't really see any different..
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i think he meant u using 1080p (not 1080i) with big tv that support 1080p... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(kr_kanan @ Jan 1 2007, 11:40 AM)
i think he meant u using 1080p (not 1080i) with big tv that support 1080p... sweat.gif
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wops..

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OT : actually I have a 40 inch Samsung R7 screen at my shop~ by setting to 720p and 1080i~ from my eye view.. I Can't really see any different..
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QUOTE(kr_kanan @ Jan 1 2007, 11:40 AM)
i think he meant u using 1080p (not 1080i) with big tv that support 1080p... sweat.gif
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i think u misunderstood. Djinn said there is no difference to the naked eye when he changed his 720p to 1080i smile.gif
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post Jan 1 2007, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(alkt @ Jan 1 2007, 11:42 AM)
i think u misunderstood. Djinn said there is no difference to the naked eye when he changed his 720p to 1080i smile.gif
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heheh i know...and i do agreed with 720p and 1080i u cant see the different...but i talking bout 1080p... notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(Microsuck_360 @ Jan 1 2007, 11:47 AM)
heheh i know...and i do agreed with 720p and 1080i u cant see the different...but i talking bout 1080p... notworthy.gif
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if 1080i no difference from 720p, 1080p also won't have difference from 720p. unless your tv is >50" or running on monitor.
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Jan 1 2007, 12:29 PM)
if 1080i no difference from 720p, 1080p also won't have difference from 720p. unless your tv is >50" or running on monitor.
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wah, 50" HDTV+1080p+5.1! anyone have this combination? $$ sweat.gif
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It's all in your head Neo. The Matrix is playing tricks with your eyes.

But seriously, then why is it that the PS3, by default, auto-detect and sets the video resolution in the ranking of 1080i, then 720p. I also don't see any diff on my 40" Samsung LCD. But my head perceives the 720p to be better.

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