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post Aug 2 2016, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Aug 1 2016, 09:49 PM)
Below is my Main portfolio July performance based on 29/7/16 NAV

May Jun Jul
Overall IRR 8.95% 10.25% 12.21%
Top 3 Funds % of Port
AmPrecious Metal 9.4% IRR 54.2% 73.5% 75.7%
EI Small Caps 4.1% IRR 19.23% 18.97% 19.14%
RHB Small Cap Opp 2.6% IRR 7.56% 15.99% 14.03%
Bottom 3 Eq Funds % Port
AMB Ethical 4.6% IRR -6.13% -4.32% -3.56%
TA Small Cap 1.2% ROI -6.06% -6.24 -2.71%
RHB Smart Treasure 2.5% ROI -5.48% 0.98% -1.16%
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So it proves that being ethical makes u no money. Learn from Jibby and Jho! laugh.gif
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post Aug 2 2016, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 2 2016, 11:37 AM)
Emerging market has been rallying recently.

Eastspring Emerging fund is performing well. Thinking if I should sell it off and make a quick buck. It has always been under water.
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Timing.

Mine has always been above water but delivering just-acceptable IRR of 4-6%.

Sell if off, and move the money where?
Long time no see u at stocks section, giving up on stocks and focusing back on UTs?
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post Aug 2 2016, 03:18 PM

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Aussie cuts rates again. RHB Asian Total Return should see some gains brows.gif
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post Aug 2 2016, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Aug 2 2016, 04:55 PM)
Still holding a big chunk? I actually sold 1/3 and took profit. I prefer RHB Asian Income more than ATR actually; or Affin Hwang Select Bond for the same class. But FSM no longer sells Affin Hwang Select Bond
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Nope, my holding in ATR has always been quite small. sad.gif
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post Aug 2 2016, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Aug 2 2016, 05:28 PM)
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post Aug 2 2016, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 2 2016, 07:08 PM)
Portfolio entering 3+ yrs.
thanks to the IRR calculation...my ROI per month had to increase 0.33% more now just to maintain the same IRR.....
the longer the portfolio duration the higher ROI gain I have to get in order to get the same IRR...
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Remind us again unker, how your portfolio looks like?
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post Aug 2 2016, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 2 2016, 09:14 PM)
holding since Mid Jan...no top up or changes....
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Why no US, Europe and Japan exposure doh.gif
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post Aug 2 2016, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 2 2016, 09:42 PM)
was aiming for IRR jumpstart not for a balanced portfolio
for diversification on FHs not so much of portfolio diversification....
just imagine if I had just place all into CIMB small cap...die-lah.
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Ended up GG lo tongue.gif padan muka tongue.gif
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post Aug 3 2016, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Aug 3 2016, 11:30 AM)
Xuzen.. sorry ya.. I got stupid question.

i just downloaded the PORTFOLIO IRR CALCULATOR and thinking of using it.

I want to now monitor my UT returns.

what does IRR column (COLUMN J) actually means in the excel?

Return PER ANNUM? or over the period of time.. eg over 3 years.. if key in from 2013 to 2016
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What disrespect...original creator of the original FSM portfolio returns calculator u tak tanya, ask that Crystal Ball™ man dry.gif

IRR = Internal Rate of Return

which in a more layman term, means "annualised rate of return". Say, if u invested for only a month and u managed to get a 10% increase of value, "IF" u managed to get that rate of return CONSISTENTLY over 12 months, your annualised rate of return and thus IRR = 119.99%.

Similarly, let's say u invested RMx now, year 1 your fund is up 10%, year 2 up 5%, year 3 up 2%, your IRR = 5.62%.

Look at the bottom of post no. 1, there is an explanation of what is IRR@Annualised Rate of Return

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Aug 3 2016, 01:30 PM
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post Aug 3 2016, 01:30 PM

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What? A Balanced fund being recommended this month? doh.gif

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...gust-2016--7343
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post Aug 3 2016, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Aug 3 2016, 01:32 PM)
Download here >>> Pinky's Portfolio Worksheet with IRR Calculation
i so so so sorry.. Thousand apologies.. Now only i saw PINKY'S PORTFOLIO.

Jangan marah ya... i Auntie Blur.

I thinking better i key in all my data.. My UT is now on Monthly contribution. I also top up whenever there is a 1% promo thing...

So, i am thinking, in FSM the column that says PROFIT.. how they derived?
and would the returns differ from my manually key in IRR?
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Just kidding tongue.gif

FSM calculation of profit is simply ROI (Return On Investment) I believe, i.e. Time Value of Money is not taken into account. E.g. Mr A invested RM100 1 year ago and gets RM110 now, will have 10% return; similarly, Mr B invested RM100 10 years ago and gets RM110 now, will ALSO have 10% return. Get it?

IRR calculation takes into account of Time Value of Money i.e. the idea that RM1 invested 1 year ago have 1 year to "work for you", RM1 invested 10 years ago have 10 years to "work for you" hence is "expected" to deliver more. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Aug 3 2016, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Aug 3 2016, 02:19 PM)
To be fair, this balanced fund is not bad
So I use portfolio simulator to compare portfolio 1 (50% EI bond & 50% EI small cap) with portfolio 2 (100% Smart balanced); this is the 10 years return
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Volatility is higher, behaving more like an equity fund, but the returns is actually higher for 10 year annualised. The more recent returns are not as great, but for those who want to buy and forget about it for the next 10 years, it's really not a bad choice; self rebalanced somemore
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When u do your own "balanced" portfolio, u save sales charge on the bond portion. This is not taken into account.

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post Aug 3 2016, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Aug 3 2016, 02:44 PM)
Buying from FSM for 50% bond fund you saved say 1% for the portfolio, over 10 years annualised return would be 0.1%? quite immaterial wor

You know I've subscribed to your idea in the past, until quite recently I realise, actually there's a different perspective to this
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One can never be right all the time laugh.gif

And to be fair to my "idea", u have to do the backtesting using funds from the same fund house, preferably managed by the same fund manager(s). blush.gif

And the whole idea of this is that sometimes fund manager can do things that harm long-term return, e.g. by being overly conservative during market crash i.e. raise too much cash when that is the time u should go bullish. By maintaining your own "balanced" fund, u can reduce the impact of this.
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post Aug 5 2016, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(em0kia @ Aug 5 2016, 07:49 AM)
Hey, realized that diversification is just pulling my ROI figure down. Since I will be keeping the money and DCA for long term (>5 yrs), i really think 100% EQ is fine.

However, will value your opinion too. I did portfolio simulation last night. RHB Smart Balanced is in my watch list, however, replacing it with either Titans/EI Small Cap did not bring down volatility much. So, might as well go for one global equity and one local equity.

I am planning to invest RM200-300 on monthly basis.
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Global Titans not really a global fund, it's only invested in US, (Developed) Europe and Japan.

Suggest to add in another Asia ex Japan fund.
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post Aug 5 2016, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Aug 5 2016, 09:24 AM)
Just for your info some of us have dumped GTA. it isn't the Golden egg laying chicken anymore.

regards.
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While I just thinking to top up, but pulled back after realising that I've been deploying a lot of cash into my stocks investments for the past 2 months sweat.gif

It's still one of the better funds to have exposure to Developed Markets...no? unsure.gif
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post Aug 5 2016, 02:38 PM

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Aberdeen Islamic World still sucks LOL

So to me Global Titans is still the better one tongue.gif
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post Aug 5 2016, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Aug 5 2016, 03:00 PM)
Past 6-12 months Aberdeen exceeded GTF, even EI Global Leaders also exceeded GTF... I guess this is the argument on fund house diversification comes in lor
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In the long run...who champion? innocent.gif
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post Aug 5 2016, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Aug 5 2016, 04:45 PM)
Is GTF managed by local fund manager?
CIMB's ex FM left for RHB last year. Don't know if this affect the performance.
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Local fund manager manages the weighting between the Shroder and Principal foreign UTs if I'm not mistaken.

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...etMYCIMB010.pdf
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post Aug 7 2016, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Aug 6 2016, 02:49 PM)
You need to compare apples to apples; oranges to oranges.

In a similar exposed fund, i.e,, global, GTF is still the undisputed king in terms of risk-adjusted return for 3 years average period. You cannot use 1 year period, it is just too short time frame to make a judgement call.

CMF2 consistently will give you 3.XX% p.a., and that is it. There will be no upside potential nor downside risk. It will be a very boring and cannot beat inflation UTF.

GTF is not underperforming, it is just inline with its peer.

Xuzen
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+100

Unless u have the vision and judgement call to make switches between peer funds every now and then, it's best to stick to the best on 3-year basis. Many funds do become short-period champion every now and then and then sink afterwards i.e. back to their usual self.
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post Aug 8 2016, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(xpmm @ Aug 8 2016, 08:14 AM)
thinking of dumping all my saving 300k into kenanga growth fund for retirement . is this wise thing to do? thanks .
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Spread it over 6-12 months, don't put in one shot.

And don't put all in 1 fund, just my opinion.

At least

Kenanga Growth
1 Global Equity
1 Asia ex Japan Equity
1 Asian bond

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