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post Sep 9 2020, 12:06 PM

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Hey guys, is the Meguiar Endurance Tire Gel recommended? How long can it last usually?

Just curious, do these tire shine products affect the performance/grip of the tyres?

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post Sep 17 2020, 07:09 PM

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Hi, new to car cleaning & detailing here. Planning to get a white-black dual tone coloured car (Body is white, top half is black)

1) What would be the fastest washing/waxing technique? I'm planning to do the usual 2 bucket method and to manually wax the car?

2) Are those "waterless wash & wax" products recommended to remove dirts on certain parts of the car on let's say every 1-2 days? This will be quite convenient for me.

3) I came across this Optimum No Rinse product, seems pretty good? Green or blue? Must the water be warm?

4) What is a car detailer? To make the car shinier? To be appllied after the wax?

5) How often to wax? What type of wax for a dual tone car (Body is white, top is black).

6) Any recommended products to remove water stains from the body and glass?

7) Lets say I find a small patch of dirt/mud at a small area of my car. Would it be okay to use waterless wash and wax? This can be a daily thing lol. ONR will be used every week or so.

8) Maybe my routine will be something like below. Any advise?

ONR = Every 1-2 weeks
Waterless wash & wax = Whenever there is dirt/bird shit that I need to quickly clean off
Waxing = Every 1-3 months
Apply car tyre gel = Every 2-3 months

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post Sep 22 2020, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(junclj @ Sep 18 2020, 09:00 AM)
Its depends on what type of wax you want to use, if you want fastest probably choose synthetic polymer wax because the traditional carnauba wax is harder to wax and buff. I personally do not use ONR to wash my car. My ONR is using as clay lube by dilution ratio 1:64. I use with clay bar. I notice that Soft99 white clay bar is far more smoother than the Meguiar's Clay bar and it is cheaper and smoother. Suit to use with ONR. Depends on how frequently you wash your car, if you wash every week then probably need to wax every month. If body is white then go for Soft99 white clay bar, body is black then go for Soft99 dark clay bar. So you can buy both. After wax you car, you can use ceramic wax to coat your car body so wax is for sunlight protection then ceramic wax is for rain protection. You may try Meguiar's G-190526 or Meguiar's G200416, the different between G-190526 and G200416 are wet apply and dry apply. To remove stain from body, you may first try use clay bar with clay lube method, secondly is iron removal method, then is tar removal, also you need waterspot removal products. For glass, usually you need watermark removal products, windscreen you need to do coating such like using Soft99 Glaco compound and Glaco.

Wash too frequently also no good for you car because too frequently may marring your car coat painting such like fine scratches and swirls. My suggestion is first you need a good high pressure washer, then you need a foam lance. Then go buy a snow foam shampoo, then buy wash and wax shampoo. Then buy wash mitt, wheel brush, detailer brush, two 5-gallon buckets, two grit guards, a high water absorption microfiber towel(I recommend Posh Care Water Gone microfiber towel), a cordless air blower.
You can wash your car every weekend. This is my routine,

1. Spray wheel cleaner (Iron removal) on the 4 wheels then wait 5 minutes, I'm using Meguiar's Ultimate All Wheel Cleaner.
2. Then rinse off the wheels with high pressure washer
3. Prepare wheel brush and shampoo to brush the rim, use detailer brush to brush rim nuts also tyre brush to brush the tyre and chassis with car shampoo.
4. Rinse off the wheel and chassis with high pressure washer.
5. Switch my high pressure water gun head to foam lance then spread snow foam to whole car then wait for 10 minutes
6. Rinse off my car with high pressure washer
7. Prepare two buckets with grid guard, one bucket for clear water, another one bucket for car shampoo.
8. Hand wash the car with wash mitt as usual like the two bucket method
9. Rinse off my car
10. Wipe with microfiber towel, then blow with cordless air blower
11. Lastly is apply trim darkener (I'm using Meguiar's G-14512) to the trim parts(black plastic and rubber) and apply tire gel (I'm using Meguiar's Endurance Tire Gel) on tyres.

After 4-5 times wash, then I should wax my car.
1. after wash then dry my car
2. Use clay lube(ONR 1:64) and clay bar to clean up the contaminants such like dirt, bird's poop, tars, old excess wax marks, light water spots etc.
3. Wax with synthetic polymer wax (butter wet type wax), I'm using Meguiar's Ultimate Paste Wax.
4. After buff off the excess wax from body. Then apply ceramic wax. For wet type, spray on it then spray water with high pressure washer. Make sure to switch the pressure washer to lowest bar. Then buff the ceramic wax together with water. For dry type ceramic wax such as Meguiar's G200416, just apply like the traditional method with wax pad then buff off with microfiber towel. No need to wet with water.
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Thank you so much for the detailed steps.

I think I'll try out the ceramix wax aka SiO2 wax after using a traditional paste wax.

Okay, I checked out a video on claybar and it's easy and convenient to remove dirt using clay + quik detailer and wipe with MF cloth. Any cheaper alternative to quik detailer which I can put in my car? Clay would be more effective than ONR right? biggrin.gif

Also, maybe a stupid question, the water beading properties of the ceramic wax or those rain repellent products, the purpose of the water beading is to easily slide off the car right preventing water marks?

I think I would have to re-read your post again in the future as I'm quite new to this biggrin.gif

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post Sep 22 2020, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Sep 22 2020, 10:38 AM)
Car shampoo are not designed to remove these stubborn contaminants. If shampoo can do this, I bet whatever protection you put will be removed in no time. Remember, when you use APC or tar remover or even clay bar, it will strip the LSP.
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Ehhhh, so if I use clay, I also need to wax that area again?

QUOTE(celciuz @ Sep 22 2020, 10:38 AM)
Side note since you are new, can consider Osren Rinseless Pro too. Well they claim it is rather slick... ONR isn't that slick lah unlike Meguair's Ultimate QD (this one very pricey ahh! I use it for my black piano interior haha...)
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Thanks for the tip! Didn't know you can use a rinseless product as an alternative to a QD!
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post Sep 22 2020, 01:40 PM

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By the way, I came across some videos that the best way to dry the car is by using water... icon_idea.gif

The idea is that there is no risk of scratching/swirling.

But this will only work if a water repellent product is applied on top of wax? Wax alone is not enough?




celciuz Noticed you mentioned about air blower, how much does it cost for a reasonable one?

QUOTE(celciuz @ Sep 22 2020, 11:18 AM)
Of course, when you clay likely LSP will be stripped too. Unless it is those crystalizing coating.

Yes, ONR is the king previously... 1:16 for QD, 1:64 for clay lube and 1:200 I think for waterless.
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Thanks, I guess it is recommended to clay every few months?

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post Sep 23 2020, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Sep 23 2020, 03:39 PM)
If you take care of the car type, coating > wax/sealant. But if don't take one... just deal with periodic compound/polish then wax/polish.
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What is defined by "take care of the car type"? tongue.gif

Was reading on wax vs sealant, it seems sealant might provide more protection and durability:

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1. Sealants provide your car with protection in virtually all weather conditions, and they also protect the vehicle against minor damage. Sealants have a far greater resistance to heat, UV rays, and even detergents as compared to carnauba-based wax products.


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Paint sealant does a much better job of protecting the paint against UV rays, sap, rain, and other debris than normal wax, but – not as good as nano-ceramic coatings. They also tend to produce a shiny, yet dull or ‘cold’ appearance, which is why most automotive detailing experts apply a traditional carnauba wax on top of paint sealants – to offer the best of both worlds.


Any good sealant to recommend? Would it still give a reasonably nice finish to a dual tone white-black car? (predominantly white but with black top half)
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post Sep 23 2020, 10:32 PM

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Guys,

I might just get a air blower to dry my car after a wash to minimize swirling/streaking which could happen with a micro fibre towel - even a high quality one?

What about applying wax/sealant and buffing then? I would still need to put the wax/sealant on a cloth/application pad and rub into the car paint.

Then I would still need to use a clean set of microfiber towel to buff it, would the towel scratch the paint then?

Second question, what is the most convenient way to clean a certain part of the car while on the go?

rinse with water (from water bottle in car) > quick detailer/ONR> claybar ?

QUOTE(celciuz @ Sep 23 2020, 09:54 PM)
Weekly wash, dries car when it rains and all haha!

Sealant, the champion is the TW ICE Seal and Shine (wait for the 2020 formula to come to Malaysia!). Old formula still one of the best though.
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Thanks for the recommendation! Btw, any other alternatives? smile.gif

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post Sep 25 2020, 12:03 AM

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Just purchased the ONR Wash & Shine and the Meguiar Endurance Tire gel from Shopee with RM30 discount biggrin.gif

Now hunting for other items brows.gif

Is the Osren Ultra MF recommended? It's quite big at like 90x70cm, 600gsm and 70/30 blend. Maybe if I can do some water sheeting here and there, I don't need such a big MFT.

How many sets of MFT do I need to do ONR wash method?

Why is the TW Ice Seal n Shine so expensive here at RM99? Any cheaper alternative? tongue.gif celciuz

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post Sep 25 2020, 12:08 PM

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Is the Turtle Wax Ice Seal n Shine [Improved formula] worth getting at RM83 after discount @ Shopee?? Today last day for discount tongue.gif

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post Sep 25 2020, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(woodentiger86 @ Sep 25 2020, 01:38 PM)
Which shop you found it from bro?

I only saw this one with the improved formula and it's from Indonesia...

https://shopee.com.my/Turtle-Wax-Ice-Seal-a...7133.5335939455

I recall TW Facebook replied to my query saying it will be launched locally sometime in Nov or so.

PS: Saw someone selling it locally for RM99...  rclxub.gif
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Yes it's the same RM99 one just that I used RM14 and RM4 shipping vouchers. Check out shopee. There are a bunch of vouchers given out.

Any price indication though? I guess RM99 is considered premium since Turtle Wax Malaysia hasn't launched it locally yet? Maybe I could wait.. my car hasn't even been officially launched yet laugh.gif
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post Sep 25 2020, 03:28 PM

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Any tips to make white car shiny or make the colour pop? Just sealant good enough ?
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post Sep 25 2020, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(Crocus_fern @ Sep 25 2020, 04:59 PM)
See post # 11950
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Thanks man. Does it really make white shine much better than other wax/sealant?

Also let's say I get it, can I apply it over a layer of sealant? Im planning to get the TW Ice Seal n Shine and then apply the white wax over it.

Btw is this true though?

https://www.theartofcleanliness.com/automot...for-white-cars/

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post Sep 26 2020, 02:12 AM

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Just watched this video and realised there is a difference between a ceramic coating and a hybrid ceramic wax/coating biggrin.gif

Is it okay just to apply the hybrid ceramic coating alone on the car clear coat or is it usually used in combination with wax/sealant?

Hybrid ceramic coating used in combination with wax/sealant doesn't seem to make sense because:

1) Hybrid ceramic coating lasts longer than both wax and sealants and thus should be applied first to the car paint clear coat, then only apply wax/sealant.
2) Hybrid ceramic coating is mainly used for its hydrophobic, UV protection properties and its durability and thus should be placed as the last layer?

Both kinda contradict each other?

Feels like Hybrid Ceramic Coating should be used as the only coating for the car?




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QUOTE(celciuz @ Sep 26 2020, 09:18 AM)
Ah ha, someone who understood finally. Yes, usually the spray ceramic wax is final layer. Either on bare body or on top of ceramic coating as topper.
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Thanks. TW Ice S&S still better than Meguiar Hybrid Ceramic Liquid Wax or Meguiar Ultimate Liquid wax in terms of durability and chemical/weather resistance?

I'm looking at my options for the highest durability, the least cost and perhaps the least maintenance. Appreciate if you have any comments like the pros and cons for the options below: icon_rolleyes.gif

Option 1
Turtle Wax ICE Seal n Shine (Sealant + Si02) > Meguiar hybrid ceramic spray wax (Si02)

After every wash, apply Meguiar hybrid ceramic spray wax

Option 2:
Meguiar hybrid ceramic liquid wax (Sealant + Si02) > Meguiar hybrid ceramic spray wax (Si02)

After every wash, apply Meguiar hybrid ceramic spray wax

Option 3:
Meguiar liquid wax (Sealant) > Meguiar hybrid ceramic spray wax (Si02)

After every wash, apply Meguiar hybrid ceramic spray wax

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Apologies for the many questions as I'm quite confused haha sweat.gif

QUOTE(newhouseowner @ Sep 26 2020, 10:28 AM)
I already mentioned it in my previous post.

Yes it can.

Not really, depends on what hybrid ceramic wax you used. If you used meguiar hybrid ceramic liquid wax (yellow one), then do not combo with wax or sealant. This wax combo with meguiar hybrid ceramic wax (blue one) and hybrid ceramic detailer (boost gloss and hydrophopic as a maintenance.) if you used with sealant or wax, it negate the benefit of hybrid ceramic wax especially self cleaning.

If you combo meguair ultimate paste/liquid wax (aka sealant) with hybrid ceramic wax (blue one), the correct way was apply sealant first after properly prep your car, after curing 12hours and above, then apply meguiar hybrid ceramic wax (blue one). Then you have best of both world of hydrophobic, self cleaning, durability and gloss.

Point 2: Yes, always last.
How about my art below by meguiar ultimate liquid wax combo with hybrid ceramic wax (blue one) on 23/8:
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Thank you for introducing Meguiar hybrid ceramic liquid wax.

Just to clarify that you meant the Meguiar hybrid ceramic liquid wax should NOT be used with a wax/sealant but should/can be used with Meguiar hybrid ceramix wax and/or hybrid ceramic detailer?

If so, since you said the hybrid ceramic liquid wax should not combo with a wax, isn't the meguiar hybrid ceramic wax (blue one) a wax as well, I mean even the name says it's a "wax"?

QUOTE(newhouseowner @ Sep 26 2020, 10:28 AM)
If you combo meguair ultimate paste/liquid wax (aka sealant) with hybrid ceramic wax (blue one), the correct way was apply sealant first after properly prep your car, after curing 12hours and above, then apply meguiar hybrid ceramic wax (blue one). Then you have best of both world of hydrophobic, self cleaning, durability and gloss.

Point 2: Yes, always last.
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1) Meguiar ultimate paste/liquid wax is actually not wax but a sealant? Reading further, the ultimate paste/liquid wax are synthetic wax but are synthetic wax considered as sealants then?
2) Let's say I use the Meguiar Hybrid ceramic liquid wax as the only layer. After every wash, what should I "top up" to maintain the hydrophobicity?
3) How is the durability of the Meguiar hybrid ceramic liquid wax compared to other sealants such as Turtle Wax Ice Seal n Shine or Meguiar Synthetic Sealant 2.0?

Apologies for the many questions as I'm quite confused haha sweat.gif

QUOTE(derail @ Sep 26 2020, 08:27 PM)
I think the idea is to avoid rubbing on a petroleum based wax/sealant over the ceramic coating which would degrade it. Some people want to layer on waxes/sealants for the better protection and a water based spray on ceramic coating would probably help to preserve the underlying wax layer for a longer time.
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Thanks.

Let's say the base layer is a wax that typically lasts 3 months. The first/last layer is the ceramic/Si02 coating which lasts 5 months. Does it mean the wax will now last as long as the ceramic/Si02 coating? Simply put, the base layer will only last as long as the last layer?

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QUOTE(newhouseowner @ Sep 27 2020, 07:50 PM)
TW blow away meguiar by far margin. since you are looking for durability, used only TW.

Option 1: as above, if you used meguiar, it will impact the overall durability. Between product compatibility, there is another issue.
Option 2: correct, meguiar hybrid liquid wax (yellow one) as base layer to seal the paintwork after properly prep, after wash, used meguiar hybrid ceramic wax (blue one) as maintenance. You might consider meguiar ceramic spray detailer in between wash weekly (this detailer boost gloss and hydrophobic), the blue one can be used as monthly maintenance.
Option 3: exactly the option I'm using for my 2 rides. this option is highest gloss among the option.

Just to clarify that you meant the Meguiar hybrid ceramic liquid wax should NOT be used with a wax/sealant but should/can be used with Meguiar hybrid ceramix wax and/or hybrid ceramic detailer?---->>Yes it is. The reason is because this meg hybrid ceramic liquid wax (the yellow one) used as a base layer. If you used as a base layer, anything on top of it like wax and sealant you applied, it will impact the property of the ceramic wax especially self cleaning.

If so, since you said the hybrid ceramic liquid wax should not combo with a wax, isn't the meguiar hybrid ceramic wax (blue one) a wax as well, I mean even the name says it's a "wax"?
1) Meguiar ultimate paste/liquid wax is actually not wax but a sealant? Reading further, the ultimate paste/liquid wax are synthetic wax but are synthetic wax considered as sealants then?
2) Let's say I use the Meguiar Hybrid ceramic liquid wax as the only layer. After every wash, what should I "top up" to maintain the hydrophobicity?
3) How is the durability of the Meguiar hybrid ceramic liquid wax compared to other sealants such as Turtle Wax Ice Seal n Shine or Meguiar Synthetic Sealant 2.0?

as below:
Yes it is but different way to apply. If you see option 3 above, i put the sealant as base layer, after this layer bonding to paintwork through curing, i applied meg hybrid ceramic wax (blue one) on top of it. base layer sealant boost gloss, hydrophobic a little durability, top layer meg hybrid ceramic wax (blue one) boost further hydrophobic, durability and self cleaning. That's why this way won't impact the benifit of both waxes.
1) Yes it is. all synthetic wax is man made engineering chemistry wax, so we enthusiast category it as sealant. A true natural wax is in carnauba form. often called it carnauba wax.
2) You can refer to option 2 above.
3) meguiar lost to TW as anwered above . for a sealant, meguiar ultimate paste/liquid win meguiar synthetic sealant 2.0 for both gloss and durability. THis is the only consumer line outperform their own professional.

If you still in doubt about meguiar ultimate liquid wax = sealant, you can go to meguiare forum and autogeek forum to check it out. answer is there. thumbsup.gif

Let's say the base layer is a wax that typically lasts 3 months. The first/last layer is the ceramic/Si02 coating which lasts 5 months. Does it mean the wax will now last as long as the ceramic/Si02 coating? Simply put, the base layer will only last as long as the last layer?--->> theoretically, it is but also no. All contaminants attack the top layer everyday, once the contamination penetrate to base layer, it is gone. The problem is we don't know how this contamination attacking it. If your paintwork is not properly prep, imagine there is some fine or minor scratch, we layer both waxed on top of it, let say there is a gap between wax and clearcoat, this area very fast bring down by contamination attacking, thus in our eyes we see the wax not longer lasting compared to others. There is too many factor to impact durability. That's why I'm not going for all out durability instead of gloss, hybrophobic and sleekness.

Below are my testing but not yet ended it, car prep on 2/8 using option 3 method above for my wife car daily work Mon to Fri, environment industrial fallout. Accidentally top up one layer meg hybrd ceramic wax (blue one) few weeks ago.


Make sense?
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TW blow away meguiar by far margin. since you are looking for durability, used only TW.

Option 1: as above, if you used meguiar, it will impact the overall durability. Between product compatibility, there is another issue.

About my option 1 using Turtle Wax Seal n Shine, what should I combo with it after washes, apply more TW S&S or use some other product

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post Sep 30 2020, 12:43 AM

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TW Ceramic Spray coating beats Seal n Shine? rclxub.gif



One question, is the TW Ceramic Spray a sealant?

Some "not so good reviews" on both. Any comments?

https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/produc...leading-12.html
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Any reviews on this?

LazMall APACHE WaterOFF® Ceramic Speed Wax Ultimate Car Coating Liquid Hydrophobic Water Repellent Cleaner For Glossy Finish (600ML)

RM30 at Lazada flash sale below

https://s.lazada.com.my/s.1SNyb
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Hey guys, at 4:20 in the video below, this guy uses a foam/sponge to soak into ONR and to wipe onto the surface. Is a sponge recommended or a MF wash Mitt is recommended?

Recommended wash mitt? Wash mitt from Osren and ADM solutions sold out already. .

What about this?
https://shopee.com.my/product/23171084/2738...54-1602256167.9



One more thing, after the step at 4:20, he proceeded to wipe off thre ONR+remaining dirt using a microfibre cloth. I notice different types of MFT, so should I be getting a drying towel right instead of a buffing towel to do this?

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Oct 9 2020, 11:17 PM)
I would follow these steps instead,

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QUOTE(christ14 @ Oct 10 2020, 12:01 PM)
What in the world

My bad im half cringing.

I would go roof first. Then windows. Then mid section. Then lower section. Smtg i learnt from a loooooong time ago. But im no pro lol just been adviced to do so previously, yes i know he got grit guard. Anyway towel or sponge pun mcm sama jer. If u use force on it it will induce marring also. Think its just letting the chemical lifts of the dirt and you gently wash away
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QUOTE(m_man @ Oct 11 2020, 12:56 AM)
That's Optimum's Big Red Sponge designed to compliment ONR. Dr. Ghodoussi and his team has tested countless sponge materials. It's totally safe but not cheap. OPT Malaysia has it in stock. I prefer to use a MF mitt on my customer's cars because the BRS ain't flexible enough to reach tight spots.

Any quality MF would do. But I do use a drying towel.

Btw, Brian Spitler from that video is a well respected detailer. He knows what he's doing.
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As usual, appreciate the replies! thumbup.gif

By the way, do you all use separate MFT for drying and buffing? I feel like it's better to have separate MFT for my rinseless washes for the last step where I may pick up dirt and all ( first step spray ONR> soak sponge/washmitt and wipe car> buff with MFT)..... and separate MFTs for buffing off waxes/sealants/Si02 coatings. Don't wanna mix them up..

Btw, any recommended items for the following, hopefully not too expensive:

1) Good quality wash mitt. Does it need to have like high thickness of 350gsm++?
2) Spray bottle
3) Cordless vacuum for the car - Possible something good below RM200?

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What's the best car shampoo these days? I assume polymer based shampoo?

Just in case the car gets too dirty for ONR..

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