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 Car Care & Detailing [V5], Caring for your car apprearance

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post Sep 25 2018, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(smallcrab @ Sep 25 2018, 08:48 PM)
thanks bro, placed order for the Osren multi cleaner from Shopee ... very tiring cleaning the stubborn black marks.
i park at office weekdays with no roof, rain and shine for a week.
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Make sure to clean your crevices and gaps during your wash. those are usually where all the grease and grimes are accumulated at, sometimes using pressure washing to blast inside also helps a bit. If those areas are not cleaned properly, the black streaks will come back easily after just one rain.

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post Oct 3 2018, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Oct 3 2018, 04:31 PM)
cool.... thumbup.gif

I have stopped using high pressure (I have B&D) for washing.....feel that the pressure is way to high to my comfort level...just afraid it will damage the paint work, especially at the edge and like the area surrounding sensors,etc

I have seen many cars having paint bulging and peeling around these area....

moreover my water pressure is good, so my HP pump is stilling idle and used for floor washings...lol
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generally, pressure washer is safe provided you use the correct lance. the area that i usually find to be dangerous would be on chipped plastic areas like bumpers or body kit. Don't use the spiralling nozzle, fan is very safe. keep it at a distance. I really enjoy using pressure washer cause it really helps to reduce time in rinsing and feels safer in removing more loose dirts too.

somehow has a lot to do with plastic primer. In my opinion, most of plastic painted parts does peel off, whereas metal painted part bonds really well.

But lucky me have not peel any chipped paint so far la, even with a powerful industrial pw.

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post Oct 10 2018, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(IMBeta305 @ Oct 9 2018, 11:03 AM)
if i leave it that long, wouldn't the wax get hardened, end up more difficult to remove?
Some part of my MF towel already got that hardened wax.  sad.gif
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QUOTE(blurcase @ Oct 9 2018, 11:11 AM)
The wax would harden, but shouldnt be to the point cannot remove from towel.

Perhaps u could try rinsing it in a small pail of diluted IPA and see if it comes out.
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I recommend soaking it in fabric detergent before giving it another wash in the washing machine.

Diluted IPA actually doesn't do much in removing wax on microfiber and in fact, doesn't remove wax on car panels entirely as well. (It may remove some, but not entirely)
IPA function as "solvents and viscosity decreasing agents", basically just help to lift things to the surface. M/f is good at "catching" particles thanks to the microscopic fingers (split fibers). So issue with removing dry wax on m/f is that sometimes, some form of agitation is required to remove it from these fibers

I usually just take 2 m/f and rub it against each other after soaking for a night in the soap bucket, followed up by fresh detergent and machine wash.

Detergent in liquid form is fine on microfiber towels. Softeners are fine on m/f towels too despite what people would say. Just use a little than the regular amount you would on wearables. I've personally tested it. M/f that is added with softeners on final rinse (with small amount) doesn't do any harm on paint. The issue with too much softeners is that is would clog the split fibers and making the m/f hard to "catch" unwanted particles like dust on panels or surfaces.

If you have used a m/f straight from the packaging, chances are you have used a softened m/f on surfaces before. These m/f are soft and fluffy initially and subsequently feels rougher after a few washes. This is because prior to delivery, m/f clothes are washed and softened in factory before shelving to make it more sellable. Nobody will want to buy hard and rough clothes.

Softeners will be washed out after several washes with detergent. Softeners are hydrophobic, to check if your m/f contains softners, just drip a drop of water on it, old m/f would immediately absorb it while softened (brand new from packaging) clothes would take some time. You would see beading on it.


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post Oct 10 2018, 12:20 PM

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So on the left is the used and washed m/f
on the right it's the brand new from packaging, feels softer too.

You can see the behaviour of water is different. I recorded this way back then to highlight that in factory process, softeners are always added to make it more sellable. And by having this test done, it is simply to ascertain that and nothing else.

I need to dig another video on how brand new clothes performs equally well on picking up polish residues, vs a used and washed m/f clothes.
Don't know which phone I recorded that on.

But, performance wise, it is comparable. I have different clothes for drying and for buffing. Personally, for buffing clothes, i do use softeners once in a while. For drying, nah, i want it to asborb water

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post Oct 21 2018, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(littlegamer @ Oct 21 2018, 02:50 PM)
hi new to here, i own a black decker polisher KP600.  my paints is now full of scuff marks , water marks and some black dirt cant be removed just by washing, white cars owners should understand

i do most car caring like waxing and washing myself except polish as my skill suck.  any recommendation of simple polish can remove those defects with the black decker polisher? or i should send to shine shine those kind of shop to help me do.

i also see shine shine offer RM68 water polish + waxing, whats water polish? Use water instead of polishing cream? that sounds ridiculous to me.

After this polish i will seat it off with soft99 fuso coat.
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I always discourage people from getting black and decker polisher that you mentioned. Under powered and does not have enough torque to correct paint, at best, for waxing only. It also doesn't have the function to switch pads.

You can look at other brands such as shinemate or if you have enough budget, rupes.
other alternatives include:

ryobi
osren
meguairs


as for the water polish that you mentioned. The one that i heard is (i cant verify this, but my source told me this)
during washing, basically they clay your car with clay cloth instead of using wash medium

Better have them explain the type of process that will be done. cause if it is straight rinse and clay, i discourage it too. claying should be done after washing of the car, not concurrently
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post Oct 25 2018, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(rationale @ Oct 25 2018, 01:41 PM)
Guys, need some opinion on how to remove swirl on chrome on plastic or point me to a person/shop that can bring chrome on plastic back to original mirror finish.

Thanks  smile.gif
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for plastic chrome, it can't be polished. it's essentially a paint, most of the time any attempt to polish it will result in paint peeling off. primer issue.
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post Nov 9 2018, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(chaics85 @ Nov 9 2018, 02:15 PM)
does car windscreen scratches easily? anything that we can do to minimize it?

recently bought bosch aerotwin wipers for my jazz and did a quick rainx treatment on the windscreen.  during raining, both wipers keeps jumping, so i decided to clean it with soft99 glass stain cleaner to clean off all the rainx that i applied and leaves the windscreen naked without any protection.

after few months, i found that my windscreen is full of scratches from the wipers. what did i do wrong? help. TQ.
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In my experience, polishing scratches on glass is something very difficult. You might be able to reduce some, but it's going to take a long time to improve it even a little.

scratches from wipers are repetitive, thus, the scratches are deeper the more you use the wipers.

You can try polishing it with cerium oxide based abrasive with a glass polishing pad. Only by trying you will know.
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post Nov 19 2018, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(Jerail @ Nov 19 2018, 11:43 AM)
thanks blurcase for your feedback.

my answers below
1) I did knead the clay bar & open a new side after a few movement. i noticed in you tube videos the contaminants in clay bar after claying is a lot but mine is a little bit only. that why i thought maybe i did it wrong.

1 more question - how often do you go over the same surface with a clay bar with light preasure?

2) photo attached. i circled the blotches. don't think it is watermarks. .[attachmentid=10113220]

i noticed after claying my hood surface is very smooth (like when the car is new  biggrin.gif ) vs other top parts which is very rough  mad.gif .

hoping to learn something here & implement it to the rest of my car  rclxm9.gif
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could be clay marks, usually a light polishing would remove it. the bigger circle did seem like it.

May i ask what lubricant did you use? Usually clay bar, when used with insufficient lube, will have this sort of problem.

With usage of clay bar, you just wanna glide across it, until you feel it is smooth, work on another area. No fixed amount of times.

If you are lazy person like me, get a clay cloth, makes life easier.
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post Nov 22 2018, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(joshgm_119 @ Nov 22 2018, 02:46 PM)
Thanks for the speedy reply man!

Will drop by Osren and see if they can help me out.
Heart pain getting scratches on a month old car.
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mind sharing a photo of the scratch from inside-out and from outside the car?

glass is difficult to polish / cut, the 04A is still intended mainly for watermarks remover and not for removing scratches.
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post Nov 29 2018, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Nov 28 2018, 09:12 PM)
Hey guys.

I just got my new car a week back, a black Civic. I decided to give it a wash yesterday, using the car shampoo I usually use (not sure what brand) with a 3M cloth. I've been using the cloth for a long time now, not sure where I got it from or whether it was indeed intended for washing a car. My other cars are light in colour and I never really noticed anything amiss. But after this wash, I saw a ton of swirl marks, very apparent at night under street lights.

Is there anything I can do? I'm very new to this game. Is polishing the only way to remove the swirls?

I did try to read through this thread, but it's way too long with so many last versions. I was also considering getting a ceramic coat for the car but after going through the whole coating thread decided against it as most people say it lasts barely a year.

To start, where would you recommend getting the basic stuff for a car wash?

1. Washing mitts/cloth/sponge
2. Shampoo
3. Drying clothe

What are the more reputable detailers around KL? For a car wash, polish, and wax?

What is the opinion on the CARS International for wash, wax, and polish?
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Polishing is the only way to truly remove swirls.
Alternatively, if it is not a severe defect, you can mask/cover it with wax. But it does appear after few washes.

Unfortunately, honda paint is one of the softest paint to date. My go to is always perfect cut 20 + softest polishing pad on a dual action polisher. That's how soft the paint is.

You can look at aliexpress, antirain, osren, scgb, meguairs for start.
drying cloth? i always recommend fireball twisted towel. but somehow they have not been restocking.

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post Nov 29 2018, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(windskill @ Nov 29 2018, 02:44 PM)
Just curious, how durable can the fireball korea twisted towel last actually (before the fiber starts to harden up) ? I have not tried it personally, but interested to know more about it.
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Mine lasted for 3 years. Still doing good.
I dry it indoors and don't really twist it to dry after each wash.


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post Nov 29 2018, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(V429 @ Nov 29 2018, 03:59 PM)
Just to ask you bought it online right? Do they have office or shop to go view their products?
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yes. i bought it online. i think they are located at johor. you can try asking them to order on facebook.

QUOTE(QuickFire @ Nov 29 2018, 04:07 PM)
Yeah I see they have a website locally.

https://www.fireballmalaysia.com/products/f...ant=17822561665

How are their other products like washing towels?

I checked meguairs but they are regarded as expensive right? Any more reasonably priced alternatives that are decent?
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Just get it from aliexpress then hahahahahaha
wash mitt noodles

#freeshipping #upto3weeks #stillcheap
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post Dec 5 2018, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(#Victor @ Dec 5 2018, 11:19 AM)
Hi Sifus, anyone know how to clean little greenie that staying inside tail lamp and building her own sweet empire? She has been freeriding with me for a while already. I shall return her and her children to their own home but how to please her?
I have though removing her with fire but she has her own family, her husband could miss her if she didn't come back.

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Usually this case we would refer to women, family and community ministry. Can meet Hannah yeoh wei.

You can try to smoke it but if she doesn't leave, she will die.
Or use a gust of wind to resolve it?
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post Dec 12 2018, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(V429 @ Dec 12 2018, 10:49 AM)
Just noticed some watermarks on one of my passenger window. I remember hearing someone mention the material of side windows is different from front windscreen thus need to handle with more care.

Wondering can I clay / polish by hand to get rid of it? Or any other suggestions to tackle this problem?

Kinda regret didn't put rainx on my rear passenger windows as I noticed that it helps to prevent watermark.
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Windscreens are laminated (toughened).
Side windows are not.
Which is also why security films are only for sides.

Using acid will increase the risk of blurring up the windscreens.
Especially if it is scratched. Just polish it with appropriate abrasive.

Side note: vinegar is not strong enough. Get OSREN 05a or optimum mdr

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post Dec 18 2018, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(STEALYOURGLORY @ Dec 18 2018, 01:27 PM)
Hello Guys! Newbie here.. icon_rolleyes.gif 

I need some help.. icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif

I am having a 8 month old car.. Feel like wanna coat the car because scared the paint will start to fade.. cry.gif 

Iam having a plan. whistling.gif  whistling.gif

1) Wash the car (Waxco Wash&Wax)
2) Clay bar the car (Soft 99)
3) Polish the car with the machine (Any suggestion for the polish to be used?)
4) Wash the car (Remove the polish residue)
5) Apply the coating ( 1st layer with Mr.Fix coat 2nd layer with any other brand sprayer)
6) Wax the car (Soft 99)

Any Sifu can check whether this are the correct steps? icon_question.gif
Is Waxing in the last part is important? hmm.gif

Hope to get replies from you guys.. :thumbsup:

Thanks!  notworthy.gif
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Go enter giveaway contest by OSREN la. Announcing soon. But already give teaser lol
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post Dec 18 2018, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(STEALYOURGLORY @ Dec 18 2018, 04:40 PM)
My Webpage

Must get OSREN only ah?

How about the machine in the link?
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post Jan 4 2019, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(nebula87 @ Jan 4 2019, 04:37 PM)
Guys, need help from you guys.

Last week I waxed my car with Soft99 Extreme Gloss and terkena my fender (those SUV wheels arc with unpainted Grey plastic)

The wax got stain over there and unable to remove...any idea how to remove the wax stain?
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QUOTE(#Victor @ Jan 4 2019, 04:40 PM)
Would like to know this too... I waxed on side mirror plastic and plastic on windscreen assembly, when first waxed it looks shiny and gloss but after sun burn and rain, white stain start to appear.
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On plastics or rubber.

The dirty little secret is to use eraser. Rubber eraser.

This msg will be self destructed in 2 days time lol

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post Jan 4 2019, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(#Victor @ Jan 4 2019, 04:47 PM)
Plastic and rubber mixed? The one at roof, side mirror cover and windscreen assembly.
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rip.
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post Jan 5 2019, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(V429 @ Jan 5 2019, 05:22 PM)
Yeah this is what I was thinking of, especially because I plan to polish by hand, take even longer time than polish by machines. Still not quite ready to start buying DA polishers yet..
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I started this way. by hand. Got fed up and bought my first da years ago. Never look back lol.
there is a limitation to how much shine a hand polish can bring about.

brands you can consider on da polisher if you have around Rm800 budget:
Shinemate
OSREN

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post Jan 7 2019, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(blurcase @ Jan 6 2019, 10:29 PM)
Not yet, plan to do that soon. However, I would suspect by using acid to remove watermarks on the car paint, it would strip or degrade the coating as well, yes?
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Good coating can take quite a bit of beating. Some brands we experimented, really took quite some beating and still has water beading on it. Some, while still retains the water beading, starts turning blurry.

I would say using a damp cloth method is very safe on coatings. Much like polishing, use less acidic approach and increase if have to.

Also one of the reason why I don't like coating.

QUOTE(blurcase @ Jan 7 2019, 09:36 AM)
Well, the big issue is definitely the watermarks on the entire car (including windshield, windows and side mirrors), however I am unsure if etching had happened already or not.

On some past discussion with fellow forumers here and from other forums do confirm that ceramic coatings are watermarks magnet. Since my wife’s car was coated with Camui coating by myself 2 years ago, I am assuming the same issues apply.
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As long as minerals and calcium are present on water, waterspot will appear in any brand of coating. You should ask the guy here la, claims one brand of coating will not have waterspots.

QUOTE(slk @ Jan 7 2019, 09:42 AM)
If 2 years can recoat  biggrin.gif

Coatings need Spray wax to minimize water spotting.... and a cordless blower is your best friend smile.gif
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Pm price for cordless blower lol


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