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 [OFFICIAL]Rig Suggestion Q&A Thread V11!

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mah0528
post Jul 3 2016, 09:51 PM

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Hi All Sifus, need a suggestion to build a budget gaming rig CPU only

[Budget] RM3~3.5K

[Purpose] Computer gaming (With xbox one controller), watch videos

[Hardwares that will be re-use] 40 inch FULL HD TV as Monitor; Corsair CM 600watt Power Supply

[Games & softwares that use frequently] Batman series, tomb raider, diablo 3, xcom and so on..

[Personal preferences] Prefer Intel & nVidia; now headache on mobo & graphic card selection; survey and found that GTX 970 is the best and I need an WIFI feature on my CPU as well

[Location] KL
mah0528
post Jul 4 2016, 07:36 AM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Jul 3 2016, 11:24 PM)
Intel Core i5 6500 - RM 835
Gigabyte B150M-D3H (D4) - RM 379
Corsair 8GB DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 130
Palit GTX970 4GB GDDR5 Jetstream - RM 1369
Kingston SSDNow UV400 120GB SSD - RM 153
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 209
TP-LINK TL-WN722N USB WiFi Adapter - RM 45
Tecware Alpha - RM 199

Total: RM 3319 (ETech price inclusive of GST)

You can consider the new RX480 also, but not with the reference card at the moment (wait for non-reference card) and AMD to issue a fix to the power overdraw from PCIe slot.

Not recommended to get any GTX970 with price tag > 1.4k now because by just adding another RM 600, you can get the new GTX1070 at ~60% performance improvement over the old GTX970.

If your WiFi router supports dual band (2.4GHz and 5GHz), please get a dual band USB WiFi adapter or PCIe WiFi adapter (more reliable but expensive).
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Thanks Sifu, can I have some amend as below? My bad that I have so many T & C, basically this PC will not for any overclocking thingy, just wish to have good FPS on those current games..

I think the budget will over...T_T

Intel Core i5 6500 - RM 835 >> Intel Core i5 6600 ?
Gigabyte B150M-D3H (D4) - RM 379
Corsair 8GB DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 130 >> HyperX performance 16GB RAM (8GB x2) vs 16GB value RAM (16GB x1), any different?
Palit GTX970 4GB GDDR5 Jetstream - RM 1369 >> Can I wait for RX480? Actually Nvidia or AMD different is on?
Kingston SSDNow UV400 120GB SSD - RM 153 >> 256GB can?
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 209 >> REMOVE as I will add in other time
TP-LINK TL-WN722N USB WiFi Adapter - RM 45
Tecware Alpha - RM 199 >> Any casing with better air flow + silent?

mah0528
post Jul 7 2016, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Jul 4 2016, 09:22 AM)
i5 6500 is good enough to yield a solid performance in current games, going from 6500 to 6600 won't give significant boost, the price/performance ratio isn't good.

Only Z170 series mobo can utilize RAM speed of > 2133MHz, so if you get a 2400MHz/2666MHz (or higher) RAM, it will be downclocked to 2133MHz automatically by the mobo, that's because the highest speed supported on H110/B150/H170 is just 2133MHz (the base clock of DDR4 RAM), so there isn't a point to get "performance" RAM when you are going to get a non-Z170 mobo unless the price between the value RAM and "performance" RAM is very close.

8GB x 2 vs 16GB x 1, the former one will run in dual channel mode, which means it will be slightly faster than the latter one, but the difference is hard to notice in real life usage, I recommend you to get 8GB x 2 instead to run them in dual channel mode since the mobo listed above comes with 4 RAM slots (not limited by the amount of RAM slots like those lower end mobo), 8GB x 2 is also slightly cheaper than 16GB x 1 at the moment as well.

You can swap to RX480 but please wait for non-reference model of RX480 instead, reference RX480 runs hotter due to the not-so-efficient blower cooler and possibly a 8 pin PCIe power connector instead of the stock 6 pin PCIe power connector for better overclocking (and fix the PCIe power overdraw issue)  sweat.gif

256GB SSD, yes you can but I think you need to increase your budget for this, just make sure you will have enough storage space if you remove the 1TB HDD, 256GB can be fully filled in just matter of time  biggrin.gif

Tecware Alpha comes with 3 casing fans which provide more airflow than other case that is priced at similar price point, airflow is ok, I've built few rigs with this case, temperature isn't a major issue TBH (feedback from actual users), noise level is within acceptable range.
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After "digest" all valuable advice, below is around 90% confirmation for my rig, any comment?

CPU: INTEL CORE I5-6500 - RM835
Cooler: ID-COOLING FROSTFLOW 240L - RM295
MOBO: ASUS B150I PRO GAMING/WIFI/AURA SOCKET 1151 MAINBOARD - RM574
RAM: Kingston HyperX Fury 16GB (2x8GB) 2133Mhz DDR4 CL14 - RM276 or CORSAIR VALUE SELECT 16GB DDR4 2133MHZ - RM250 (Future upgrade to 16GB x 2 = max 32GB)

GPU: Future RX 480 non reference card~ RM1299+
PSU: USED BACK OWN NEW ITEM(Corsair CS600)
Chassis: NZXT MANTA MINI-ITX GAMING CASE (MATTE BLACK + RED) - RM609 or NZXT S340 Mid Tower Case Window -Black/Red - RM325
SSD: Kingston UV400 256GB SSD - RM250

1) I am struggling on the Casing, attract by NZXT design and really wish to have it between Manta & S340
2) Any better CPU cooling recommend for NZXT casing?
3) I think I would go for 16GB value RAM and upgrade to MAX 32GB in future, as this MOBO only have 2 slot and support 2133 only.
4) Am worry non reference RX480 can't fit in NZXT casing.
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post Jul 7 2016, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Jul 7 2016, 10:18 AM)
Manta is a mITX case while S340 is an ATX mid tower case, both are under different form factor.

Manta is expensive, one of the most expensive mITX cases out there in Malaysia, this will increase the total cost needed to build a rig.

If you were to spend RM 574 for a B150 mobo, I suggest you to go for H170 instead, RM 574 for a B150 is seriously overpriced (oh well almost all Asus products are overpriced in Malaysia due to its premium status), H170 with more features offered are far more valuable in terms of price/performance.

CPU cooler supported depends on the clearance available, usually mITX case comes with limited amount of space, so you need to make sure the 3rd party CPU cooler that you are going to get is able to fit in the case, same goes to the GPU, Manta is a mITX case so you need to check the clearance available before getting the GPU while S340 is a standard ATX size case so the max acceptable length will be much longer than Manta (should support most of the cards in the market).

There are 2 types of CPU cooler (air cooler and liquid cooler), air cooler is far more preferable because it is cheaper and safer than liquid cooler (no need to worry about liquid leakage). For locked CPU (non-overclockable), air cooler is enough because the temperature is very hard to hit the limit before throttle kicks in, liquid cooler will be overkill for your setup, unless you are going for aesthetic purpose.

Just get a single stick of 16GB RAM if you plan to upgrade to 32GB in the future, 16GB DDR4 is available now, no need to get 8GB x 2 anymore for 16GB RAM  biggrin.gif
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Thanks for replied!

I guess i will stick for NZXT s340 then..

For the mobo, bcoz i need the wifi feature therefore i choose b150i model, h170 do not have wifi right? Which combination is better? Mobo with wifi or mobo plus wifi adapter?

If go for air cooler, any recommendation? As i worry the temparature go high as my room air flow not that good..

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post Jul 16 2016, 11:36 AM

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Hi All Sifu, I slightly increase my budget to 5K and need commend for the build below, I wish to play around on overclock (I am newbie for this) and purely for gaming on 1080P 40 inch TV:

PROCESSOR - INTEL CORE I5 6600K - RM1015 (After discount)
CPU COOLER - CRYORIG R1 ULTIMATE - RM359
MOBO - ASUS Z170-K - RM549 (After discount)
RAM - GSKILL RipjawsV Silver 2x8GB DDR4 2400mhz (CL15) - RM499
GRAPHIC CARD - EVGA GTX1060 Superclocked ACX3.0 6GB DDR5 192Bit - RM1399 (After discount)
PSU - SuperFlower Leadex Gold 650W - RM449
CASE - NZXT S340 BLUE - RM330
SSD - SAMSUNG 850 EVO 120GB - RM279

Total - RM4879

P.S.Above is refer to IDEALTECH build list.
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post Jul 16 2016, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Jul 16 2016, 02:58 PM)
DDR4 based.

ASRock H110M-HDV, less than RM 300, or just use VGA/DVI to HDMI adapter, probably can save a couple of bucks.
The mobo picked is an entry level Z170 so expect the temperature of the VRM to be higher than those mid/high end one, high temperature will reduce the speed that you can get/achieve and stability, I suggest you to get a better board with better onboard heatsink and VRM counts/design.

The RAM is somehow overpriced, I know Idealtech doesn't carry other brand other than GSKill so you are stuck with its expensive RAM price, Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 3000MHz is just around RM 400 only, that's roughly RM 100 difference and you get extra 600MHz native RAM speed with the Corsair Vengeance.
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If i opt for ASUS Z170 PRO GAMING - RM779 and not to buy the RAM frm idealtech, change the cpu cooler to corsair h80i v2 as well, is it good now?

But i believe i sacrifice their service for full rig build, somehow i realize their price is consider expensive if compare to other...
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post Jul 16 2016, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(zhen^wei @ Jul 16 2016, 04:01 PM)
R1 Ultimate can't fit in S340, u can consider water cooling or H7 in S340 casing.
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Will corsair h80i v2 able fit s340? Or do u have any good recommend cooler for overclock?
mah0528
post Jul 24 2016, 10:24 PM

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Hi Terence

I keep changing my mind and increase my budget from 4K to 6K now, can advice below spec is it ok?

PROCESSOR - INTEL SKYLAKE CORE I5-6600K - RM1015
CPU COOLER - CRYORIG R1 - RM359
MOBO - ASROCK Z170 gaming K4 - RM659
RAM - GSKILL RIPJAWSV 8GB x 2 - RM499
GRAPHIC CARD - GIGABYTE GEFORCE GTX 1070 G1 GAMING 8GB GDDR5 - RM2299
PSU - SuperFlower Leadex Gold 650W(80+Gold/Full Modular)*5 Years Warranty - RM449
CASE - NZXT H440 Mid Tower Case Window -Black/Red (CA-H440W-M1) - RM519
SSD - SAMSUNG 850 EVO 120GB - RM279


Build from IDEALTECH website, I heard alot of consumer giving very good review to them, I wish to give them a try on their services provide.
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post Jul 27 2016, 03:14 PM

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If you guy have 6K budget on hand, what kind of build shall go for?

Any bottleneck on build B? [i5 + 1080]

Build A:
i5 6600K + Asus Z170 + Gigabyte GTX 1070 G1 + Superflower gold 650W + Fractal Design Define S


Build B:
i5 6500 + Gigabyte H170-HD3 + EVGA GTX 1080 Gaming ACX 3.0 + Superflower gold 750W + Fractal Design Define S

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