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daijoubu
post Jun 26 2016, 03:03 PM

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Hi guys, love this thread. Would like some advice too smile.gif
Looking for a matx build, 2 options:
- sub 4k
- sub 5k

[Budget] as above

[Purpose] 100pct gaming (latest shooters)

[Hardwares that will be re-use]
Crucial 2.5" M500 120GB SSD
Silverstone Strider ST60F 600W PSU
Several 500gb SATA HDD

[Monitor resolution] TBD, monitor haven't purchased, not in budget. Minimum Dell 24" S series

[Games & softwares that use frequently] want to start back into gaming, latest shooters

[Personal preferences] none

[Location] KL/PJ

As it is only for gaming, highest priority should go to graphic card, followed by processor. I do not think I need any hdd or ssd, but perhaps give me your advice? I plan to eventually use on a FHD monitor but might want to upgrade to 2k in future. I also would like from time to time output the display to a FHD or 4k TV in future (depending on type of game).

Thanks!

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post Jun 26 2016, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Jun 26 2016, 04:01 PM)
120GB SSD for OS installation (will take around 25GB for fresh Windows 10 installation + Windows Update).
HDD for games files/music/movie/document etc, please bear in mind that the size of the games is getting bigger and bigger nowadays, so your 500GB (several) might not enough in the future.

Intel Core i7 6700 - RM 1289
MSI B150M Pro-DH (D4) - RM 346
Corsair 16GB (8GB x 2) DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 260
Palit GTX1070 8GB GDDR5 Jetstream - RM 1999
Corsair Carbide 88R - RM 226

Total: RM 4120 (ETech price inclusive of GST)

For 5k build, you can go for OC build, but performance gain is small or non-existent in gaming because most of the games are still based on single threaded operationĀ  sweat.gif

You can also bump the GTX1070 to GTX1080 (+ 1k for Palit Jetstream model) or allocate it for your monitor instead, 1k can get a 1080p 144Hz already, but yea I know you wanted to get Dell S/U series monitor, just a suggestion here, 144Hz > IPS for FPS gamesĀ   biggrin.gif
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Hey bro, thanks for your quick reply and suggestions. Looks really good.
Some follow up questions:

1) If I want to consider 1x R480 instead with option to upgrade to 2x R480 CF in future, what motherboard and casing should I be using instead, and will the current PSU I have cut it? I will opt for this option is I feel that I will not be maximizing my graphic card at the moment (if I buy a cheap Dell S series monitor).

2) What kind of FHD 144Hz monitor can I get for RM1k? Will the R480 work with GSync?

The current monitors I was considering (with increasing price).
Acer R241Y
Dell U2415
Dell U2715H

3) Do you have any recommended case that is SFF instead? I want this to be a small and compact gaming PC smile.gif. Something to replace a PS4 perhaps

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post Jun 26 2016, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Jun 26 2016, 05:39 PM)
Do bear in mind that SLI/CF is not supported by all games, you will end up running single GPU only if SLI/CF support is missing, the scaling for SLI/CF is still poor nowadays, meaning you won't get the double performance of single card, getting a more powerful single card is better than running 2 weaker cards at SLI/CF.

To SLI/CF, you need at least 2 PCIe 3.0 x8 slots running at parallel, the cheapest one is around RM 700 and that's ATX size (Gigabyte Z170XP-SLI/Asus Z170 Pro Gaming etc.), if you are sticking to mATX then there is only 1 option available currently in local market which is the expensive Asus Maximus VIII Gene (more than 1k). mATX casing comes with at least 4 PCIe expansion slots but you need to check the height of the GPU that you are going to get because some mATX mobo/casing only allow GPU with the height of 2 expansion slots for SLI/CF.

As for PSU requirements, true power 600W PSU should be enough for RX 480 running on CF, please wait for official reviews in the coming days for official data and power draw from the wall to determine whether your current PSU is enough for this or not.

You can always take advantage of the GPU by utilizing sumpersampling technology (DSR or VSR) to get a more detailed image on 1080p, the details of supersampling technology can be found in few previous posts.

You can get Acer XB240H with 1k budget, RX 480 is an AMD product so you need a FreeSync monitor if you want GSync equivalent feature on AMD card, AOC G2460PF is one of the examples, around 1.2k+/-.

SFF (mITX) only comes with 1 PCIe slot, so SLI/CF isn't an option. For console-like casing, you can look for Silverstone RVZ01/FTZ01 etc.
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Thanks very much for your advise bro. Base on this, I'll drop the CF/SLI consideration and concentrate on going SFF with either R480 + Freesync or 1070 + GSync.

Would it be any difference to upgrade to H170 from B150?

Cheers bro smile.gif
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post Jun 27 2016, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Jun 26 2016, 06:26 PM)
RX 480 is packing with GTX980-like performance (estimated) while GTX1070 is packing the performance of Titan X (+ extra 10% faster), they are on different tiers.

1080p FreeSync is cheaper, if you go for Nvidia path then getting a 2K QHD or 4K UHD GSync monitor is more worth than a 1080p GSync monitor because the price of the only one 1080p GSync (Acer XB241H) monitor in Malaysia is too close to his bigger brothers, XB281HK (4K UHD 60Hz TN, RM 2489), XB271HU (2K QHD 165Hz IPS, RM 3189).

You get 2 extra USB ports (depends on manufacturer whether to implement it or not), full x16 PCIe configuration speed, RAID support by going from B150 to H170.
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Yup I understand, I will decide based on budget. For now it seems that I might just go to R480 route due to lack of funds. I only am torn between whether to go for a Freesync monitor or to go for a QHD IPS monitor for the better picture quality, esp on non shooter games..

When you mention H170 has full x16 support, is this necessary for the R480/1070?

Thanks agian smile.gif
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post Jun 27 2016, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Jun 27 2016, 07:32 AM)
RX480 is more like a FHD card instead of QHD card, I recommend you to stay with 1080p, QHD IPS isn't cheap anyway, the cheapest one is around 1.5k but that's 25", QHD is best viewed on 27" and above to match the PPI.

B150 also has x16 on its PCIe slot, the one I meant is for PCH setup.
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Alright, I'll keep with the 1080p route. I'll try checking out more reviews and articles to decide whether Freesync TFT or a normal IPS FHD+ (U2415) for better versatility (use together with my current Surface Pro 3). I'm spoiled by IPS and large viewing angles, so I worry that the gains in gaming is not as high as the loss in terms of picture quality for productivity situations =/.

I was looking at these two boards and do not mind the slight premium for their extra features (better build, short circuit protection, Type C USB). In your opinion which would be a better option?

ASUS H170M-PLUS
ASRock H170M Pro4

Also, a SFF case like the Silverstone SG13/SG11 that can only fit a 80mm tall cooler or the, can this suffice for the above application or will thermals be an issue later?

Thanks again!
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post Jun 27 2016, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Jun 27 2016, 09:52 AM)
The viewing angle on TN display is poor if compared with IPS, but if you aren't always viewing the display from the side then this is fine, color quality on TN is fine too if you view from the front, everything on TN looks bad only if you are viewing from the side, what you get on TN is much higher refresh rate at cheaper price tag. If you go for Dell S2316H/S2415H then you need to take note that it comes with a glossy screen, meaning you will see your reflection when you are under a bright light source.

Silverstone SG13 is a mITX case while SG11 supports mATX and mITX board, stock cooler won't be an issue for SFF case unless you plan to use a 3rd party cooler where you will be restricted to low profile 3rd party cooler only like Cryorig C7 or AIO liquid cooler (if supported).

Asus H170M-Plus is a better choice if you are aiming to get those premium features over ASRock, it comes with native USB Type-C port too which is great if you have any gadget using this type of port for fast charging support, the price difference between them is small, Asus one is definitely a better pick here.
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Awesome, I'm really impressed with your knowledge! You're like hardware bible lol.

I'll try to go see the TN screen and determine whether I can live with it. With a RM1k investment into monitor, I'd like to use it for movies too and the TN screen would suck badly if I view it with my wife from a distance sad.gif.

I most likely will go for a SG11 or something similar due to the size advantage. My only concern is that if run on max for long period of time, the cramp environment as well as stock cooler will cause the temp of both CPU and GPU to max and throttle sad.gif. I guess I can upgrade to AIO liquid cooling but that is another RM350-400 and if that is the case I rather stick to a mid tower =/.

PS: If I were to move to an ITX solution, would GIGABYTE GA-H170N-WIFI be a good swap instead of the Asus? Price wise seems quite similar, and it has Type C USB too.

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post Jun 27 2016, 04:27 PM

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If there is a good reason to stay matx instead of mitx, what would it be? laugh.gif
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post Jun 29 2016, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Jun 28 2016, 05:15 PM)
FHD, QHD, UHD all available but we have limited choice in Malaysia.

ViewSonic VX2457-mhd 24" 1080p 60Hz TN - RM 699
AOC G2460VQ6 24" 1080p 60Hz TN - RM 799
AOC G2778VQ 27" 1080p 60Hz TN - RM 989
AOC G2460PF 24" 1080p 144Hz TN - RM 1139
Samsung U28E590DS 28" 4K UHD 60Hz TN - RM 1899
BenQ XL2730Z 27" 2K QHD 144Hz TN - RM 3189
BenQ XR3501 35" 21:9 1080p 144Hz VA - RM 3999
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Hey bro smile.gif.
Is the ViewSonic VX2457-mhd 24" really worth it for gaming? I reckon only for FPS type gaming right?

How about between the :

Acer R231/241Y
Dell S2316H

Which would be your pick for best value and best picture quality?
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post Jun 30 2016, 06:32 PM

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Bro Terence, generally what is the difference between motherboard makers when it comes to voltage and spike protection? Seems to be marketed a lot of by Asus & ASRock.

I also notice that Type C is not so common, some boards have it but seems like all boards still transfer at 5Gbps (aka Type 3.0 or Type 3.1 Gen 1), which means nothing special until Type 3.1 Gen2 or even Thunderbolt 3. I can just get a Type C to USB3.0 adapter for physical compatibility, but too bad cannot utilize the high speeds of Thunderbolt for future monitor use.

[mATX]
Asus H170M-PLUS
ASRock H170M Pro4
MSI H170M PRO-VDH

[mITX]
Gigabyte GA-H170N-Wifi
Asus B150I PRO GAMING/WIFI/AURA
MSI B150 Gaming M3
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post Jul 1 2016, 01:36 AM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Jun 30 2016, 09:10 PM)
Actually most of them are doing the same thing/job, which is trying to protect the mobo from frying up when excessive voltage is detected/lightning strike etc, some provide basic protections (lower end mobo) only which protect the important components such as CPU, RAM etc, some provide LAN protection, capacitor/VRM protection etc.

USB Type-C is still not widely used yet (mostly smartphones now), so some manufacturers opt to skip it and use the slot for other connector instead and Skylake doesn't support USB 3.1 officially (will be supported in Kaby Lake), manufacturers have to use their own controller for USB 3.1 port that's why some of them have limitation.
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Ah okay, in that case it is quite useful esp during rainy season laugh.gif. I've been looking more towards the 3 boards below, and find that the Gigabyte has better audio chipset and removable wifi module (meaning got 1x extra pcie slot) while the Asus has the VRM/surge resistance. Not sure which one to choose now lol tongue.gif. I'm guessing I do not need USB3.1 anyway cause USB3.0 is fast enough, and if speed is needed it'll just be for data transfer, which Sata express is good enough smile.gif

[mITX]
Gigabyte GA-H170N-Wifi
Asus B150I PRO GAMING/WIFI/AURA
MSI B150 Gaming M3
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post Jul 9 2016, 10:49 AM

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Hey Terence, what is a recommended entry level matx Z170 that I can use for OC? smile.gif

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post Jul 14 2016, 12:18 PM

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I'm considering either the Asus R241Y at RM500 or Dell U2414H at RM800. Is the RM300 extra of the U2414H worth the price? Both are similar and both are non glossy sweat.gif
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post Jul 14 2016, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Jul 14 2016, 01:46 PM)
Dell UltraSharp is more premium and supports pivoting (portrait mode), the panel used on U2414H is also better than R241Y.

The price you listed is quite cheap, it is selling over RM 620 for R241Y and RM 920 for U2414H (RRP is RM 1065) from what I've seen here on the Internet  biggrin.gif
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Thanks bro notworthy.gif. The Acer price is through Gemfive with discount while the Dell is through Lelong seller based in PG.
Don't know whether the RM300 extra is worth the investment. I do use DP, but i can use an adapter. Decisions decisions tongue.gif
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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Jul 14 2016, 02:15 PM)
If you need pivot support like what I do then you gonna go for U2414H (or its successor U2417H), it should be the cheapest premium IPS + ultra thin monitor that supports pivoting nowadays.

Portrait mode is very useful if you are running multi-monitors setup and have limited amount of space, you can get a longer view of web pages as well, just like QHD/UHD screen.

If RM 300 isn't too much for you then I will recommend U2414H over other monitors, I have one and it served me very well and I even upgraded to its successor U2417H to show my support to Dell UltraSharp series  biggrin.gif
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Got it, in that case I guess will wait till U2414H.
My preference is the U2515H, but my rig is put on hold as I do not have the time to game while waiting for GTX1060 to come in and both GTX1060/RX480 to stabilize. If GTX1070 drops later on, then I will most likely go for that and invest in U2515H for QHD gaming. If I go for RX480/GTX1060 route, then I'll game with the U2414H biggrin.gif.



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