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Jet23sky
post Jun 13 2016, 09:05 PM

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[Budget]
RM7000 Max ( Lower the better, include monitor )

[Purpose]
Majority for gaming

[Hardwares that will be re-use]
Liteon SSD 250GB

[Monitor resolution]
Prefer 2k

[Games & softwares that use frequently]
Lightroom, GTA, Metal Gear Solid, Total War,

[Personal preferences]

1) Building Micro ATX case for spacious.
2) Prefer 1070 non-reference card with highest OC that can get.
3) Prefer modular PSU.
4) Hardisk is not necessary at the moment.
5) Will not have any OC. ( i7 6700 is preferred )

[Location]
SG

THANKS!!!
Jet23sky
post Jun 14 2016, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Jun 13 2016, 09:32 PM)
Location SG, are you buying from SG? If yes then I cannot help you with the pricing (and most likely the build as well since product range is different).

GTX1070 non reference is not released widely here yet so we have to wait for few more days/weeks before we can find out which one comes with highest OC capability and most importantly its price.

Currently the fastest GTX1070 is Asus Strix with boost clock up to 1860MHz, Zotac AMP Extreme and EVGA FTW Gaming and Gigabyte G1 Gaming should be the closest competitors (unannounced speed).
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You can quote based on KL price, as I need the estimated recommendation rig so that I can check the price in SG. the estimated budget is RM7k.
Jet23sky
post Jun 15 2016, 01:03 AM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Jun 14 2016, 10:14 PM)
Intel Core i7 6700 - RM 1305
Gigabyte H170M-D3H (D4) - RM 424
Corsair 16GB (8GB x 2) DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 262
GTX1070 Non-FE - RM 2300 (Estimated)
Seasonic M12II EVO 620W - RM 363
Corsair Carbide 88R - RM 226

Total: RM 4880 (ETech price inclusive of GST)

Not much QHD monitor in Malaysia to choose, not sure if the situation is the same in SG or not.

1. Dell U2515H - RM 1439
2. Dell U2715H - RM 2265
3. Dell S2716DG GSync TN 144Hz - RM 2669
4. Acer Predator GSync IPS 165Hz - RM 3189
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Ya, the monitor choice is more likely the same as in SG. Just one question, 2k resolution is better to put on 27 inches or above size right?
Jet23sky
post Jun 19 2016, 02:24 AM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Jun 14 2016, 10:14 PM)
Intel Core i7 6700 - RM 1305
Gigabyte H170M-D3H (D4) - RM 424
Corsair 16GB (8GB x 2) DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 262
GTX1070 Non-FE - RM 2300 (Estimated)
Seasonic M12II EVO 620W - RM 363
Corsair Carbide 88R - RM 226

Total: RM 4880 (ETech price inclusive of GST)

Not much QHD monitor in Malaysia to choose, not sure if the situation is the same in SG or not.

1. Dell U2515H - RM 1439
2. Dell U2715H - RM 2265
3. Dell S2716DG GSync TN 144Hz - RM 2669
4. Acer Predator GSync IPS 165Hz - RM 3189
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Can I check with u, for Casing Fan, any fan is recommended for silent and high air flow? I will be getting U2515H due to my space constraint. Thanks.
Jet23sky
post Jun 26 2016, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Jun 14 2016, 10:14 PM)
Intel Core i7 6700 - RM 1305
Gigabyte H170M-D3H (D4) - RM 424
Corsair 16GB (8GB x 2) DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 262
GTX1070 Non-FE - RM 2300 (Estimated)
Seasonic M12II EVO 620W - RM 363
Corsair Carbide 88R - RM 226

Total: RM 4880 (ETech price inclusive of GST)

Not much QHD monitor in Malaysia to choose, not sure if the situation is the same in SG or not.

1. Dell U2515H - RM 1439
2. Dell U2715H - RM 2265
3. Dell S2716DG GSync TN 144Hz - RM 2669
4. Acer Predator GSync IPS 165Hz - RM 3189
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Hi Terence, I just went and check the price and spec. There are some concern on the setup.

1) According to the box of the Gigabyte 1070 Gaming Edition, the minimum requirement of power is 500watts. If I get 620W with bronze, I might be just able to get 490watts with just power up the card. He recommended around 850watt if I want to prevent any issue such as system rebooting due to lack of power. Is it correct?

2) He mentioned Carbide 88R is run out of stock and Supplier may not be able to import in this case anymore. ( which means may obselete to them ). According to what he recommend. The difference between ATX case and MATX is just 5cm height and 2 cm width. He recommend me to get Corsair 100R. Any other MATX case recommended from you?

Thanks for the help!!
Jet23sky
post Jun 27 2016, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Jun 27 2016, 12:00 AM)
Incorrect. Gigabyte GTX1070 G1 Gaming only requires one 8 pin PCIe power connector which means the max draw from the PSU is 225W (150W from 8/6+2 pin PCIe power connector and 75W from PCIe slot) when running this card, 620W is more than enough for any GTX1070/1080 setup even if you are running an OC setup (K CPU).

There are many different types of mATX cases out there and their extra 5cm height and 2cm width on mATX case claim is invalid, mATX can be as small as mITX case like Silverstone SG01/SG02 etc.

You can look for Corsair Carbide Air 240, Xigmatek Aquila, Fractal Design Node 804 as the alternative if 88R is nowhere to be found, I suggest you to go other shop instead, the shop you went seems unprofessional, most likely another typical shop trying to trick their customer to get what they have/clear their stock  sweat.gif

BTW we have a limited choice for mATX case in our local market because usually mATX build is for budget rig, why I said so is because mATX mobo is significantly cheaper than ATX/ITX, those who are looking for portability or have limited amount of space will usually go for ITX build instead.
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Noted. I will go for 620Watt for my build. The reason I want to get mATX is because mATX has additional PCIE slot. I may need those slots to get other cards. for ITX, i remember there is only one PCIE slot ( Correct me if I'm wrong ).
I may go for Phantek P400s. As Fractal Design Node 804 is meant for water cooling ( correct me if I'm wrong) and not looking at the cube case at the moment. Not sure whether this Phentek P400S is ok or not.

O well, I'm not so sure which shop is good in Singapore since Funan Digital Mall has closed down, thus my only choice will be in Sim Lim Square which I don't quite like that place. Or do you have any recommended shop or vendor in Singapore I can look for?

QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 27 2016, 08:01 AM)
Totally wrong.

Most people don't even know what they're talking about when it comes to power draw of a system.

Read carefully http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-p...spx?pid=5916#sp

Recommended PSU : 500W

RECOMMENDED and REQUIRED are 2 totally different words.

And do you know how much a system with GTX 1070 draws?

Try take a guess on how much my system with Core i7-5960X @ 4.5Ghz (50% overclock) with GTX 1070 running Furmark (draws more power than gaming) draws on peak.

The answer.......... 268W..... and that's just peak, and that's just wall draw.

Actual system draw is less than 250W. The graphics card is estimated to draw only about 134W.
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Noted on the power. Just need to confirm it before i made the order.

Jet23sky
post Jun 27 2016, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Jun 27 2016, 11:03 PM)
If you plan to get another card for SLI/CF in the future, then you need to get a SLI/CF ready mATX mobo too and the option is very limited in Malaysia, we only got 1 model which is the expensive Asus Maximus VIII Gene, I am not sure if the situation is same in SG or not, if yes then prepare to burn your wallet for it  biggrin.gif

Phanteks P400s (a.k.a Eclipse) is a standard ATX mid tower, if the size is ok for you then go ahead  nod.gif

Both P400s and FD Node 804 support liquid cooler (radiator mounting point available), they aren't really made or aimed for liquid cooling build, almost all cases have at least 1 radiator mounting point (120mm) now, even the lower end one like Tecware Alpha, it has become a trend to have at least 1 even though it might not be useful for all users out there.

I am not familiar with the shop in SG, sorry cannot help you on this  sweat.gif
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Noted. Thanks for the explanation. I will go for the following for now

Core i7 6700
Gigabyte H170M-D3H D4
Gigabyte 1070 G1 Gaming
(No harddisk required)
Seasonic M12II-620W
Kingston 2133mhz 8GBx2 RAM
Phanteks P400S
Dell U2515 Monitor

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Jet23sky
post Jul 17 2016, 11:32 AM

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Hi Terence,

Mind helping to reverify my final spec before I place the order. I plan to change to ATX instead of MATX as I think there is not much difference between both type of cases. ( Unless I change to ITX which I'm not a fan for those mobo which only have one PCIE slot )

PROCESSOR - INTEL CORE I7 6600
CPU COOLER - ???
MOBO - ASUS H170-D3H
RAM - G Skill PC2400 8GB x2
GRAPHIC CARD - Palit GTX 1070 Super Jetstream
PSU - Seasonic Mii 520W Modular
CASE - Corsair 400C
No HDD
Monitor - Dell U2515H

Few question that needed your guidance.

1) I heard that this Palit Graphic card is very long. Will it fit on corsair 400C?
2) Does 1070 really capable of handling those new games under 2k Resolution? I mean I saw the lowest fps running this resolution can be around 40fps only. ( worry the screen may lag/jerky ) If not I can change to 1080p anytime.
3) Any recommendation for CPU cooler? I personally hate to clean the heatsink part with all the dust stuck in it. Possible to get a hydro cooler so that I just clean the fan easy?
4) Does this Mobo come with USB-Type C or WIFI capability? I would love to have one just in case as my PC usually will last me at least 10 years without change. ( except graphic card )

Thanks soooooo much for your help!

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post Jul 17 2016, 07:31 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Jul 17 2016, 03:44 PM)
Palit 10 series card is short compared to other brand with triple fan but it is very "fat" because it takes 2.5 slot instead of 2 slot, it can fit in 400C.

Depends on games, average FPS on 1440p is > 60 FPS according to most of the benchmarks posted online but min FPS is not always guaranteed will be 60 as it ties to many factors, games optimization, things/stuffs to be processed during a certain scene etc. Player is expected to experience some input lags from non-GSync/FreeSync monitor when VSync is turned on, those lags/screen tearing are hard to avoid with normal 60Hz monitor. FPS drop is acceptable to me if it is just for 1 or 2 seconds as long as I am not playing the whole games at 40 FPS, different people have different acceptance level though, lower down the graphics settings if you want stable 60 FPS.

Liquid cooler isn't easy to clean as well, the dust trapped on the fins of the radiator can be PITA to clean, you need to get a compressed air can to eliminate them to reduce the risk of damaging the fins when you do the cleaning, air cooler is easier to clean in my opinion but their size is very big which doesn't help in aesthetic purpose  biggrin.gif

The mobo model you listed doesn't exist. Nobody can guarantee it can last for 10 years, maybe you need to ask yourself, can I stick with Skylake for 10 years? Core 2 Duo is a 10 years old CPU as of this year and it can barely handle any latest GPU (except low end one) for latest games, I would say 5 years is the max limit for me.

WiFi can be added separately, either by USB or PCIe. Same goes to USB Type C, if you want native Type C support, you need to get something like Gigabyte H170-D3HP.
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Thanks, Terence. I just placed an order for this just now. I end up getting air cooler instead. For mobo wise I will get the one without any additional like Type C or Wifi as if I need it, I will just get the card itself. biggrin.gif
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post Jul 24 2016, 09:50 PM

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Thanks Terence so much for the advice, I got my Rig and I'm really satisfied with it. But one question to ask you, Seasonic does not come with 8pin connector, so for my case I have to connect two 6pin connector from PSU and use the convertor to become 8 pin power for my Palit 1070 card. Is it possible to get use one connector instead of two?


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post Jul 28 2016, 04:35 PM

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Hi Terence,

I guess I bought the wrong PSU, recommendation from you is 620W, but i end up buying 520W. Will there be any issue? I guess this is the reason why I do not have 6 pin to 8 pin cable. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I need your help again as I plan to get keyboard and mouse. Below is my specs

Mouse - Not prefer Sensei or Razor as my existing Razor Mamba has the sticky rubber which is very nasty. Prefer going back to logitech for now. As long is value for money and its big. ( Cause my hand is kinda big )

Keyboard - No brand that I prefer. Just make sure is good for value and good for both typing and gaming. And it must be silent. ( no clicky sound ).

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post Jul 28 2016, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Jul 28 2016, 05:00 PM)
520W is fine and it comes with 6/8 pin PCIe power cable.

You can refer here under "Cables" tab (PCIe).

As for the mouse and keyboard, normal non-gaming mouse and membrane keyboard will do?
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Ya, as long the mouse is big for my palm, good for both gaming and typing. same as keyboard.
I have a cable. 6 pin to 8 pin, but from the 8 pin, there are two pin that doesn't have any metal in it, can it consider 8 pin??

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post Jul 29 2016, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Jul 29 2016, 12:02 AM)
2133MHz is the base speed of DDR4 RAM, so nope. As mentioned earlier, only Z170 mobo can utilize RAM speed of > 2133MHz.
Different people have different preferences especially when it comes to mouse and keyboard so the recommendations below are solely based on my preferences and liking, you can read more reviews online to determine the best mouse/keyboard that suits your style.

There are 2 types of mainstream keyboards in the local market, membrane and mechanical.

Since no budget stated, I assume you don't have a limit on these 2 items. I am eyeing on Corsair Vengeance M65 RGB and Logitech G700s for mouse and Corsair K70/Strafe RGB MX Blue (mechanical) for keyboard. Personally I think it is not worth to spend RM 300+ for a membrane keyboard, so try to avoid those "high-end" membrane gaming keyboard, it is still carrying membrane typing feel no matter how "high-end" or expensive it is to me, entry level of mechanical keyboard beats them easily.

MX Silent and Red switches are the switches that you need to look for if you are going for mechanical keyboard since you prefer a silent keyboard (Razer have their own switches, same goes to CM and some other vendors who don't have agreement to use Cherry MX Switches on their keyboard lineup), MX Blue is noisy while MX Brown is in between MX Blue and MX Red, there is also a new switch from Cherry which is currently under Corsair exclusive, MX Speed, specially made for gamers (Dota 2, CS:GO etc.)

No metal in it? Not sure what you mean  laugh.gif

If the last 2 pin is detachable from the main 6 pin then yes, it is the correct PCIe power cable that you are looking for, that's why it is advertised as 6/8 pin PCIe power cable, some GPU use 6 pin only, like most of the GTX1070 and GTX1080, some use 8 pin, so users are able to detach or attach the last 2 pin according to their needs.
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For the PSU cable, maybe I will take a photo and let you confirm whether it is or not.

I most likely will go for Corsair Vengeance M65 RGB Pro for my mouse. For keyboard wise, the Corsair K70 is abit expensive for me end. I'm eyeing around Rm300+. Not sure whether we can get mechanical keyboard with this price range or not.

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post Jul 30 2016, 02:50 AM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Jul 29 2016, 08:41 AM)
Ducky Tenkeyless is around RM 300+.
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Tenkeyless is the keyboard without the numpad right? If I need the numpad keyboard type. Any keyboard recommendation? I am fine with RM400+ if necessary. Thanks!

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