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TSsean6219
post Feb 29 2016, 05:16 PM, updated 10y ago

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Was doing some research on the net and most of them told me not to use paypal exchange rate as it is higher so I decided to go with bank exchange rate instead. Upon paying for the goods from ebay, I realized bank exchange rate was significantly higher and I was shocked. Anyway, anyone has experience to share whether to use paypal or bank exchange rate? Mine is CIMB debit card btw.
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post Mar 1 2016, 01:33 AM

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QUOTE(PetomJL @ Feb 29 2016, 09:37 PM)
Maybe the extra was because of cross border fees and not exchange rate? CIMB got this extra charge for any PayPal transaction. Best to avoid CIMB card for PayPal.

Usually I use maybank or bank islam cards. I find bank's exchange rate always better than PayPal's.

About cross border fees: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2519936
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Thanks bro, really appreciate it, I guess I should change my main card to Public bank back.
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post Mar 20 2016, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(Apple_DarreN @ Mar 8 2016, 04:12 PM)
Yes it does, that's the downside of it, but even at most you'll only lose maybe ranging from 3-10% max in currency fluctuation.

But you'd save quite an amount from using Bank's rate instead.

PayPal rate 1usd = 4.23MYR
XE.com rate 1usd = 4.11MYR
Maybank rate 1usd = 4.17MYR
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Hmmm I am not sure how did they count. Bought an 18usd goods from ebay. Paypal charges me rm75. something after conversion. Using Public Bank however causes me an extra rm3 which was around rm
78.something. I always thought bank rates are better?
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post Mar 20 2016, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(Apple_DarreN @ Mar 20 2016, 07:44 PM)
Yes, supposedly bank rates are better. I just ordered something via eBay as well. PayPal charged me 4.28 but mine was 4.17
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Hmm, that's strange. Do you mind sharing what bank you are using? Cards type do not influence it right? Still wondering where does the extra cost comes from.
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post Mar 21 2016, 03:34 AM

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QUOTE(Percival II @ Mar 21 2016, 02:05 AM)
u might wanna use western union instead. charge $M 28 for each transaction, but they generally quote exchange rate cheaper than banks.

so.gnificantly more untung if you transfering big amount of money.
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Dont think its covered by Ebay buer protection bro

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post Mar 21 2016, 03:35 AM

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QUOTE(Apple_DarreN @ Mar 20 2016, 11:59 PM)
Maybank. Card types do I reckon, certain fees charged on different cards
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Look at pb website for the card type and the visa calculator, actual exchange rate should be still lower than paypal. Need to clarify with PB already.
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post Mar 21 2016, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(xHj09 @ Mar 21 2016, 03:53 PM)
same case as you

but i'm using maybank

sad. lucky not big amount. only extra rm1-2
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But more expensive than paypal when paypal is already expensive lol. Yours are debit?
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post Mar 23 2016, 09:10 PM

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Yeap just try to use PB Bank again, still way more expensive than paypal rate.

Bought something at 11.5 usd. Paypal rate was 4.15 plus so total up around 47 plus. Using PB debit card cost me rm50. It seems small, but it adds up quickly.

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post Mar 25 2016, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(hjab @ Mar 25 2016, 09:13 AM)
it has been awhile since i bought anything of high values from ebay, since late last year, i only bought small, inexpensive items, i haven't bought anything yet in 2016 though, no thanks to the shitty ringgit
but that is not all
since late last year as well, i realize the ebay checkout no longer has the option to use our bank's exchange rate, only paypal's rate
my conversion option in paypal is set to the bank's rate
but in ebay checkout i'm forced to use paypal's rate
since then i'm really scared to buy anything expensive on ebay, afraid the paypal rate might bite me
or do i worry too much, just proceed and buy since i have set it in paypal to use the bank's rate?
i use PB card btw.
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Debit or credit? Did you compare the rates of paypal with bank? Judging from current situation, might be best to use paypal rate. I keep having these hidden charges and bank keep saying the rates might be different.
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post Mar 25 2016, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(hjab @ Mar 25 2016, 01:11 PM)
PB debit card
b4 this, ie with previous ebay checkout, i got more favourable rate
but now, with new checkout, when bank statement arrived, i was charged at the higher rate than what's shown on ebay
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Same I am using PB debit cause it doesnt have CBF.

Yeah, bank rates are cheaper theoretically when you calculate it yourself, somehow it will be way more expensive that what you have calculated, even more than paypal. My previous purchase has an extra charge of 8%, which is f*****g a lot if you ask me. Asked them and they gave me a reply and somehow this sentence might explain everything.

The exchange rate may differ from the rate in effect on the date of the transaction due to market fluctuations. Such rate imposed shall be final and conclusive and the Cardmember shall bear all exchange risks, losses, commission and other bank charges which may thereby be incurred.

Kindly note that the final exchange rate will be confirmed upon settlement of the transaction from Merchant's Banker, not based on the day the amount was transacted to the card.

I called Paypal as well, and they say if they do not process the currency exchange, they cant charge anything. It seems like bank or the Visa/Mastercard has some hidden charges we are not well aware of So for now I have to settle with paypal rate.

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post Mar 25 2016, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(hjab @ Mar 25 2016, 01:11 PM)
PB debit card
b4 this, ie with previous ebay checkout, i got more favourable rate
but now, with new checkout, when bank statement arrived, i was charged at the higher rate than what's shown on ebay
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Forget to add on. If you already set your processing method to bank, even in new ebay checkout, you are still using that option even though you cant change it. Dont believe me? Switch your ebay to ebay Malaysia and you will be using the paypal website to checkout instead. The rate stated is given by paypal not by your bank, since paypal cannot show the rates set by your banks. That is why it is higher than the rate you see on ebay/paypal because you are using bank rate that you have set earlier, not the paypal rate.
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post Mar 25 2016, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(stupiak07 @ Mar 25 2016, 07:38 PM)
8%international surcharge
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How do you know its 8% surcharge? Where did you get that info from? I calculate from it la, but dint know where is the 8% comes from.
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post Mar 25 2016, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(hjab @ Mar 25 2016, 08:34 PM)
thanks
i think i'll try that
will buy something dirt cheap like us-uk plug adapter
1 checkout with ebay.com another with ebay msia
and see 2,3 days later on my online statement what's the final price for both of them
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Yeah do let me know. Switching the site to ebay Malaysia brings us back to the old method, which will direct us to paypal page unllike the current US one.
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post Mar 27 2016, 05:02 AM

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I have been thinking. Could it be the extra charges come from GST? If yes, then they finally implement it, which means using bank rate is no longer favorable.
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post Apr 13 2016, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(aarondotcom89 @ Apr 8 2016, 01:34 PM)
PayPal expert reporting in!  rclxm9.gif
Hahhahaha! Kidding but I can help you clear your doubts.

In short, PayPal charges currency conversion fee on top of the market rate that's why they are higher than banks.
When you checkout a purchase, you're brought to a page to log into your PayPal Account right?
Then you should see a page showing a full summary of your items on your left.. and in the box(on your right) it shows how much of MYR is used for funding USD(for example).
You will see a "Other Conversion Options" under Payment method --> You should be at the Payment Review Page
Nope. PayPal is not affected by Malaysia's GST implementation
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LOL, we already know this, the problem is why bank rate which is supposingly better than paypal rate ended up charging us more compared to paypal rate? Not to be mean, but you should read everything.
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post Apr 14 2016, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(aarondotcom89 @ Apr 14 2016, 09:08 AM)
It's just the fx rates fluctuating, thats why.
It's not guaranteed that bank rates are always cheaper than PayPal's.

90% of the time, bank rates are cheaper.
Say... 1 out of 10 times could have PayPal's rate more favourable.

PLUS!
There are also chances where your bank incur additional oversea charges or what they call it... Admin Fee.
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Yeah, I suspect is the *admin* fees. Because I did my calculations myself, including following the rate on that particular day, if no extra charges, definitely way cheaper than PayPal. Well it only happened recently and not to those old buyers, so sure got something d.

 

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