No ideas about Vizo at 60cfm but their website says this:
http://www.vizo.com.tw/front/product/get_product_detail/79/3

On the other hand, it's using a different bearing altogether.

You rather believe specs given by an online store as compared to the manufacturer's own website?

I've used all 3 types and the S-Flex is the noisiest of all. If you compare Typhoon AP-15 (RM60+) with F12 (RM30), the temps are almost the same, maybe 1C difference. For people that does not believe, please buy them and try it out yourself

First of all, why push/pull on the radiator? The question we need to ask ourselves is whether it's worth the time and money for a 2c drop plus the extra noise level from a push/pull configuration. Personally I won't do it because it's not worth it. A fan controller will help but if you're running the fan at a lower speed, what difference it is from getting a fan with lower rpm and noise level?

Push/pull is a very old story and it's not worth the extra cost and noise level for me so I don't do it. If you think it makes a lot of difference to your temps then please go ahead don't be disappointed though. Sometimes it's very hard for me to explain from the fundamentals and why certain ideas are not really feasible. All these fans, volt mods, push or suck, whatever you can think of, I've done it before personally ages ago. The point is, not all of them give favorable results.

Thanks boss for clarifying You're an old timer so I'm sure you have also tried all these weird suggestions and found out it's not feasible


Actually it depends on the architecture of the cooler. Some of it would make a difference if you add in another fan or two but some not. Buying expensive fans also does not mean it will make your temps drop substantially. What we need to know is the actual fan as a product, what type of bearing it uses, what's the cfm airflow rate and static pressure, etc. If you have product A and product B with almost the same specifications, it doesn't make sense that the more expensive product will perform better just because of it's brand name, color or price.

Actually I don't think the problem is with the rest of the people but yourself It has been clearly stated above that the difference is minimal and whether you've have Ayam Brand fan or Ferrari fan. Since you need plain English and unable to understand statements, here's a point form format:

1. Experience in push/pull config = YES
2. Performance of the fans in this config = MINIMAL, approximate 1-3C

If Celcius doesn't matter then what's the point of your question? If cost doesn't matter then go ahead and buy then do it, why ask? Everyone can afford fans these days, they are too cheap and if you're smart enough, you would've googled as there are plenty of articles around. Lastly, no hard feelings

Don't be so touchy If you can ask others not to have hard feelings then you shouldn't feel the same as well. I don't have to show what I know and it's up to people whether they want to believe it or not. You have to remember I don't lose anything, what I can offer is my experience and advice. The money is yours so buy what you like.

Secondly, I did not flame nor regard you as a noob. I think you're just being over sensitive. How old are you? LOL

Look at your reply, it's seriously childish If you are not sensitive or childish, tell me which sentence did I imply you're a noob or trying to flame you? Show me. I think moderators should take action on you instead of going after people that are able to contribute and share experience extensively.

To be honest, there's no such thing as 3-4C improvements just by changing thermal paste. If I only care about selling products, I'll just con my way through all these fake facts Our own forum admin goldfries has done plenty of thermal compound reviews and it's always minimal difference. Technology has came to a point whereby it's so much a compound can do.

I am a person of words and if it's not true, I will say it's not. Also, I don't comment based on reading reviews. Whatever I mention is purely based on self experiences.

I know you're desperate to sell and when I mean "best", it means best in terms of value vs performance. The chart shows absolutely what I'm trying to say (thanks for sharing) and the difference is only less than 1C but then we end up paying almost 17% more for the price per tube for a TX-4. Does the extra 17% justify enough for a temp difference of no more than 1 celcius? In English, "best" doesn't always have to mean No. 1 It can also mean it's an all rounder. BlackBerry says they are the best smartphone maker and so does Apple for their iPhone. If we go by your analogy, we will end up suing both companies? If you're into selling, you should know these are marketing, every company does that. I suggest you spend some of your extra earnings for sales & marketing or even English courses to help buck up your understanding on this I believe even if you bring this to court, there's no way you can win your argument just by highlighting the word "BEST".

However when we talk about good sales ethics, you should know what you're talking about and tell me, how did you come to the conclusion for the below? What cooler? Can you name me some examples which you've tested it personally? If minimal is 2-3 degrees, then favourable must be more so what cooler can give more than 3C based on your experience?
Some cooler can get favorable result, some minimal only around 2-3 degree

EDIT: Btw, please don't quote me but quote Arctic instead
http://www.arctic.ac/en/p/cooling/thermal-...4g-und-20g.html

This post has been edited by clawhammer: May 31 2011, 02:13 AM

I know you're trying to earn a living but if it's in your own sales thread, you can bull and promote all you want. In other sections of the forums, I'd expect you to have some sense when recommending things to others. People like me spent tens of thousands just on PC's every year. We buy and use these hardwares ourselves so how can someone like you that only sells without real life experience deliberately argue true facts? If I have 5 PC's with TX-4 and MX-4 spreaded randomly, I can bet you won't even tell the difference because we're talking about less than 1C. If someone else does the review, I wouldn't be surprised the results would be the opposite This shows how minimal the difference is.

The improvement between a white paste and branded paste would have vast difference. If I were to dweel further and tell you the reason, it will only humiliate you even more because it shows you totally do not know what you're talking about. I don't mind if you're desperate or if you want to reduce your price significantly because I'm not picking on you or asking for an argument. The point is, you should be more responsible in recommending options for others and I expected you to be handle such situations more maturely. I wouldn't want to list down how many types of compound I've used and I can relatively say TX-2 and TX-4 literally won't get you 4C difference either (if you apply them correctly).

People like me are enthusiasts, we try and experiment things our own. A normal user would buy what you say if they don't know the truth but before arguing with enthusiasts like me or anyone else here that plays hardwares like toys, you really need to do more homework instead of arguing blindly. In fact I can prove many things which you've said wrongly in hardware section but like I said, I'm not picking on you. Hand in heart and think for yourself

All of them are more or less the same If you want something easy to apply then get the MX-4 but if you prefer another 0.xx C like the review says (which I'm not even sure if it's true), get the TX-4. Just a side note, Tuniq copied Arctic's formula and they have a lawsuit going in the EU so I'm not sure how can a copy cat product be better than the original Arctic made formula.

No ideas I'm just sharing what I know (informational purposes). It's unfortunate that we have never ending silly fools in LY.net which spams all over the place with nothing good to say

Actually those expensive fans are quite pointless Despite costing 2 to 3 times the price, it doesn't really give you that much of a difference in temps. It's just part of marketing. Of course they come in nice packaging with beautiful accessories so that's where all your money goes to. Many people don't understand and if you have tried some, you will get what I mean.