my budget is RM 700 for speaker + player , anyone can help me figure out which brand and model should i buy ?

i want clear sound, soft and solid bass. my car is toyota SEG 93', speaker shape is 6X9'

my advice is probably the RM700 u use it for a reasonable good HU/player ....then save up more for a speaker set...

are u using OEM/standard player/speaker setup ? if u are, then chances are u will feel some difference when u changed to aftermarket HUs connected to current standard speakers....

let us know man...

my current speakers set only left one side emitting sound. and itself is totally a suck lousy oem speaker (much poorer than my handphone speaker )

well my player also half spoil, which is an ancient alpine player. CD lens spoiled but FM still ok.

basically audio system for car can be easily described by this "got sound = no sound"

so i wanna change the speaker and player.

RM700 for all and need clear sound, soft and solid bass .... Mission Imposible la...

If budget tight, step by step upgrade...

hmm.. ok la speaker first, which brand and model ok ? and price ?

RM700 can get a lot of reasonable speakers bro, not high end ones ler but shud be justified for ur ears...

anyway, need to know which speakers u wanna change first, front doors one or rear speakers ? suggest concentrate front setup first, get a component set which will come with a pair of 6.5 inch mid bass speakers and a pair of tweeters, not forgetting a pair of passive crossovers (normally comes along the whole component set) that will direct the rite frequency to tweeter and midbass speakers...

wat kind of music u used to listen ?.....need all this info before recommending...

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 26 2006, 04:58 PM

wow expert...
ok, i would like to change my rear speaker and hopefully plus 2 tweeters infront. what is crossover? how much will it cost ?

i like sentimental songs, like hotel california, mariah karey - without you, kitaro songs, etc. these are songs with clear soft and solid bass (not tough bass & no distortion).

for me i would go for a new HU first then i will consider the front speakers...

cuz FM sound quality is @#$%&*... and i would like my HU to play CD tht sounded much much better... as for the front speakers try looking for used ones if you are on budget...

for your music choices... try look for japanese stuff... alpine, eclipse etc etc... they would do a great job for your preference...

cheers....

my speaker only left one side sounding. thanks for your info, wah really dizzy so many brands so many models, donno which to choose.

RM 700 for component... can refer Shocker topic..
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/375621/+60

Just now you say u want clear sound, soft and solid bass.
but yours setup might not able statisfy what you mention above.
Normally component install at front door(mid bass at door & tweeter at dashboard)...but the bass might not solid...
If want solid bass... you need subwoofer power by amp.

need to ask which one of ur right speakers spoilt ? is it the front one at door or rear one behind back seat? if its in da back seat one, disconnect both those speakers first and concentrate the front setup first (this will give u some balance in ur staging)....then go to rear speakers ....or else just change those defective ones first....

since ur CD player is not functioning, then seeing from ur music selection, u must be listening to to mixFM and light & easy isnt it ?

therefore, upgrade like wat craziechild said, listening to FM radio to see if speakers are good or not is not recommended , plus if u changed ur HU to the one supporting CD/MP3/WMA, u can really listen to those music u like instead of waiting for radios to put those songs u listen when they feel like doing so....

another option would be to change ur front speakers first, then HU ....saying this cos if u change speakers u will now know that there is better speakers in ur car but u cant utilise them maximumly due to u cant play ur favorite CDs, and since u are using a after market HU not standard OEM one, changing HU will like not bring much improvement to ur setup but will give more function and features than just a FM radio....

anyway, the choice is urs to make, if got money better change both HU and front speakers ....if not choose either one ler...

This post has been edited by shocker: Dec 26 2006, 08:08 PM

wow thanks so many sifu here. i'm just wonder whether my front speakers has been spoiled yet coz never heard any sound coming out from there, or perhaps not connected to the player.

yeah subwoofer can be added later. so these is my sequence of purchasing:

component -> player -> rear speakers -> subwoofer.

got components already still need rear speakers ?

shocker sifu, you recommend following in the thread right?

alpine type S : RM680
helix blue 62 : RM680

and between these 2 which one is better ? component's bass very poor one? or just like normal rear speakers ?

can i buy 2 rear speakers + 2 tweeters ? and so this combination looks like a component set ?

hey shocker, which brand of component you're using ?

hahaha....Im not sifu also ler, just a beginner also ...learnt a lot from ppl around here also, now is my turn to help where I can...

yeah, u have to check those front speakers if they are working or not or spoilt already .....if spoilt or if working but u dont like da sound, then change those to component set...buy one component set gets u a pair of midbass (speakers), a pair of tweeters and a pair of crossovers...all these comes one set together...

anyway, ur direction or sequence is correct, option for u will be can swap to do player first or component first ....no problem...

bro, I didnt really recommend those speakers in my thread ...those are options only which might be fitting my budget, and maybe urs too ...the thing with speakers are u must set a budget and understand them based on ur music taste....u and me are not same, same goes for our taste in music and our ears ....listen as many setups and decide from there....perhaps we can help to input where necessary...

between those 2 brands/setups, I have no idea really ....both also I didnt hear them so cannot compare ler...component bass depends OK, there is some very punchy and some just solid, some hard, some deep and low ....depends da music u listen to....

u can buy 2 rear speakers + 2 speakers but they wont function like a component set cos there is no crossover for them ....more so those 2 rear speakers (normally known as coaxials) would not function like components because they are not made to function like components, so scrap off dat idea....

if u are worried about rear fill, get a good pair of 2 way coaxials...that shud do the job....

currently not using any brand yet or components, still on standard OEM sets .....thats why thread is there to assist me to decide wat I want, u can learn something from it also....

Vocal more clean & clear => Helix Blue 62
Bass + Dynamic => Alpine Type S

Component mid bass not as strong as subwoofer la... because can't go very low mah....

Buy 2 rear speaker + 2 tweeter .... no recomance to do it... You listen the sound from back only...

ic.. so for component set, i'll feel the surround sound while if only rear coaxial speakers, i only feel normal stereo sound coming from 2 speakers ?

how if you guys choose speaker for me by judging on songs i listen? hotel california, without you, josh groban's any song.

which to choose ?

Surround sound ? U think u watch movie meh..!
If listen song, you need stereo sound from front component...
Same as U at home, did you put ur speaker rear only without front speaker when listen song?

If need surround sound, you need stuft which have surround support... without it you can't have surround effect.

I will answer the bolded question only ....hehehe...since Im a newbie so dont have much experience in comparing speakers.....

its not exactly 100% right to say with component set u get surround sound but coaxial only produces stereo sound ....its actually right to say that with a 2 way component set u get better sound reproduction if compared to 2 way coaxial since in component set, u have seperate tweeter placement, u have a pair of crossover that seperates out correct frequency to tweeter and midbass speakers ......in a coaxial setup, ur speaker sounds almost rojak, tweeter is placed on a midbass speakers itself and there is no crossover to channel out correct frequency, plus coaxials cannot actually work like components.....

for front setup normally no one is using a coaxial speakers at all (lets not talk about OEM setup OK), normally only components or worse ppl who have no knowledge in ICE would change those standard OEM speakers to coaxials and put tweeters on dashboard .....this is actually not a correct setup but wat to do ler since ppl donno maa...

if u afraid of having no rear fill (sound/audio for back passengers), then u can also put a matching component set in the rear as some ppl used to do this as well but this is only done if u have a big car ler ...otherwise, the front component shud be good enuff to transfer audio to the back ....under normal circumstances, rear only put up 2 way coaxial shud be good enuff ler for music to be heard without cancelling the front staging.... but there is also some setup where ppl dont put up any speakers at all since their front ones are good enuff leadi .....there is also some ppl who cant live without back speakers....hehehee....ppl maa...

imagine going to a concert but not hearing good sound coming from front stage but only from the rear, hell ur ears are not position to back its front bro .....better be getting the nice sound from front so u can enjoy the action + audio together, so put up a good sound system in front first....know wat I mean ??....

Wao ..! Mr Shocker you "mouth water more than tea"...Haha..
Not advide adding speaker at back...unless you tune your system very well or use HU to control it.
Use rear speaker won't have any surround feel ... unless your system have sorround support (usually for movie system)

if u r going for any high end usage
i would say the rm700 is enuf to get a decent HU around rm500 + rm300 for a set of comps

loon, hehehehe...just helping out our forummers here only ler bro .....explain as much as I can...

yeah, its either wat drift said as above or u can use the RM700 for a good component set at front.....

if u follow drift's advice, suggest u to get soundstream or BM boschmann component sets laa ....can get less then RM400 each but not so worth it la bro....therefore not suggestable ler.....but definitely better than OEM standard speakers of course...hahaha

HU for entry level and acceptable one can give a try on pioneer ones like 2850/2950/3850/4850 .....pioneer players are good in playing almost any CDs in the market and wont give u much problems ....plus, they are good for long lasting usage....can get most of them each under RM600 if u know where to look....

does HU affect much on sound quality ?should i get a more expensive component or HU ?

for HU, i saw pioneer 2950 not bad, if the sound quality of more expensive HU almost same as the 2950, then i'll get it.

both is as important
most important is level matching
no use if u got an expensive HU match with cheap comps
vice versa
it's as crap as u got an cheap HU match with expensive comps

then pioneer 2950 match with alpine type s 171a ok or not? or the alpine too high end to match with the 2950 ?

Hmm.. It depend your taste loh and budget!

quite match
u better go to a shop and ask for demo
that will let u test whether it suit ur taste anot

ok, by now i couldn't find any shop selling pioneer 2950 and the alpine type s. anyone can point me to a shop which has above 2 items with reasonable price ?

bro, please state ur location so ICErs can help u ....and budget for each parts u needed (HU or component) since u said earlier u got RM700 but wat u want now for RM700, is it both parts or just one only ?

no choice lor.. budget have to increase since buying a good speaker rather than lousy is worth in long term consideration.

hey cola selling pioneer 3850 at RM 470, and any shop at pg selling 3850 at this price ?
i think i confirm to take pioneer 3850 player, but speaker still wait for my ears to judge it. So anyone pls tell me shops that selling alpine type-s

hehehe....bro, for pioneer 3850 and other 2006 pioneer HUs models, I think there is no shops in the moment that can beat the price of online sellers, I personally surveyed many shops in penang only to realise online sellers like cola selling them cheaper .....I think the time I bought my 3850, about 6 mths ago I got it best price at RM590, Ive seen other shops selling higher than RM600 for this model...

for alpine component, as far as I know only asacar kulim sells it ...even then, when I went there yesterday , their type S already finished, only got type R like the ones in my thread ....I guess u have to look elsewhere rather than asacar or wait for sifus to feedback...

hey just now i went to the shop beside hl bank and ask for pioneer 3950 + soundstream xsc.6 together with installation fees RM 1140, you think worth ? or expensive ?

the player they charge near RM 600

kinda overprice for me

Not only u will get the 2950, every icer also will buy since it is same SQ than those highend hu

http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/sho...ad.php?t=132137

check out this guy is selling cheap pioneer products.

http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/sho...ad.php?t=114291

he is selling alpine type -s,

if u prefer to buy things like speakers without listening first, then there is nothing left to be said laa...

suitable price, budget, brands and recommendation are not the only thing to see, ur ears must like them as well...

bro, do u mean 2950 got nice sq like other highend hu above 1k?

he mean if 2850 SQ good
icer wont need to speed 3k for a D2, 7k for a 7990
just buy 2850 will do

chk this out

http://www.kfaudio.com.my/promo.htm

what you guys think about JVC HU comparing to pioneer interm of sound quality, channel separation. ?

finally i get eclipse cd1000 player + infinity 6010CS component. quite satisfied with it.

in the future will get an amp, sub woofer, another component set for rear.

DO you feel infinity component bright?

congratulation eric

i never hear other components b4, but i can say it's a good speaker for my taste. you mean tweeter bright ? initially yes, and now i've set the crossover to -3db, now very good already.

normally there is 3 tweeter dB settings isnt it 0dB, -3dB, -6dB ? the -6dB is said to be the sharpest or brightest isnt it, meaning if u put it -3dB as opposed to 0dB, isnt it supposed to be brighter than 0dB ?

mine is different than yours where only have -6 and -3 settings. by default it is -6 and i change it to -3.

hahaha....then this would make sense laa since u are bringing the level up tho ...sorry for the confusion ler...

hehe hey shocker when do you plan to get an amp ?

when i feel like buying so, money for now no problem ...wanna feel the difference and tune to maximum the HU can support....

when you get amp
got yo retune again, might as well get the amp now and tune

congratulations eric on your purchase, another water fish has joined us in the ICE world

congratulations eric on your purchase, another water fish has joined us in the ICE world

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haha, yeah i'm a beginner of ICE, need help from you guys still. Thanks...