hey there, i was suspended for three days between 19th-22nd dec. i have PM-ed badawi_rocks for an explanation but he hasn't gotten back to me yet, perhaps he is busy. i suspect foulplay because i think i know who made the complaint and he did it out of spite. can a moderator please assist me on this? thanks

This post has been edited by Princess Shmoosh: Dec 25 2006, 11:48 PM

aww... im so "sorry" to hear that.

i believe in the mods and admins. u surely deserved wat ever u did.

congrats on ur first suspension.

lol, u again. don't be a pain. this is serious.

Its the holiday season. You might have to wait a little longer to bring up your case with the respective staff/admin.

However, your suspension does seem warranted (as in you did commit the offense, and it doesn't really matter what the motive was for the complainant to report you)

Oooh, right, holidays. hhmm, which post exactly, if i may know? because i am aware of other people who say much worse things and get away with it. and the motive of the complainant is of course essential because he holds a grudge from like 2 months ago and was just lurking around waiting for an opportunity. i just want to make sure he not abusing his powers. i like this forum and i'd hate to see someone like that ruining all the fun.

Hmm.. was on the impression you knew. All warnings issued are logged for your own reference with necessary details. Click on the Warning Percentage and you will be taken to the warning logs.

all it says is i was suspended for "trolling" but i'm not exactly sure what it was i did. because if i incited a flame war, then why aren't the other more extreme ppl suspended as well? i was voicing my opinion but i didnt purposely pick fights with anyone. and i am very certain i didnt say anything controversial just to provoke a response. in fact, i have been told by quite a few of the guys there that my advice was helpful and they appreciated it.

This post has been edited by Princess Shmoosh: Dec 26 2006, 04:45 PM

After looking into your case, it's actually debatable on whether or not the warning is deserved. It looks more like a gray area to me but I'm fine with either way.

Judging from your posts, don't you think the way you post is a little bit too... aggressive? Try not to take what other people said too seriously, I believe the debate could definitely be carried out in a more peaceful way

If you think those posts are offensive, just use the "Report" button and leave it to moderators to take care of it, instead of posting a long and angry post to elicit yet another reply. It's never going to end that way

i also kena trolling around the forum last time.
trolling means go everywhere in threads and post.

1 hour more than 30 replies...

= ban

im sure badawi rocks ban u rite?

This post has been edited by Malaysian: Dec 26 2006, 06:15 PM

hoh ? reply more than 30 posts will get ban..
walao. better dont leave any message in the thread..hahaha

spamming and trolling are different.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolling

i wasnt spamming though. i think that much is clear.

samurai, the thing is, yes i admit my replies may seem aggressive to those who did not follow the thread closely. but if u read the other replies, u will get a better understanding of why i felt i had to assert my stand on the matter.

anyway, darklight and i do not bear grudges, quite the opposite in fact. so how can i be accused of starting a flame war if we are still friends? it is merely a good-natured debate. sure, it gets heated at times, but we are able to look past that and still be friends. that's what logical, rational people do.

the person who complained is actually holding a personal grudge from another thread 2 months ago. i dont think it's right for him to hit below the belt just because he cant get over it.

the moderators look at things objectively, IMHO. they don't factor in subjective things.

if you are just debating as friends and such, you should definitely state it in your posts.

haha, i thought it was clear. i didn't resort to any foul language or display anything to show i was out of control. if i recall correctly, i was only being sarcastic, but not in any way vulgar or trying to incite a flame war. in fact, if anything, i think darklight and unknown warrior's posts are more controversial than mine.


p.s. dont you find it suspicious that the ppl who were supposedly in a flame war with me did not report me at all but the person who held a grudge from a garage sales thread did?

This post has been edited by Princess Shmoosh: Dec 26 2006, 07:49 PM

Wheres the post that got her reported? Interesting case, i got a douche who said he wanted to do stuffs to me just cause he was "in a very bad mood" all i wanted was an explanation and he didn't give it to me,<-wtf is that, but that was 2 years ago and i still can find it in my heart to forgive him.

Hmm, sounds pretty much like a misunderstanding here. Any link to the said topic or post?

seruzz2003, to be honest, i dont even know which post i was suspended for, which is why i'm trying to clarify things here. but as far as i recall, i have never said anything to incite a flame war. hmmm, hope this can be solved soon

Just saw this thread. Don't know what's it exactly about but yeah, Princess Shmoosh and I are friends. Hope you guys all settle whatever it is without any further problems.

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...dpost&p=9613365

This is the post/thread that got you reported. You have since edited it (therefore may not be the original post that was reported).

I'd also like to remind you that as part of the moderator group, I have NO access to hand out warnings/suspensions.

The reason for your suspension?

That is YOUR thread. You are partially responsible for the direction it travels. The onus thereby falls on YOU (not darklight as you suggested) to report the thread if the discussion falls too far from the target. Yet, you didn't. For 3 or more pages, it was non-stop, back and forth, flaming and flamebaiting. The report was made well before your "kiss and make up" with darklight, so that is not an excuse. Just because you're friends now doesn't detract from the fact that you put some of the forumers who went to your thread through some kind of shock to see several people engaged in a mud-slinging competition that had nothing to do with the thread title. Since then your thread has since been closed down by a different moderator for the same reasons.

What happened in Garage Sales stays in Garage Sales, it had no bearing on this matter. That issue has been done with and it's over. I have since moved on. Don't drag it up again, just because you fudged up and got a slap on the wrist. I cannot accuse you of something you have not done, as I am required by the rules to provide a good reason for reporting. As you can see from the replies in this thread, I am not the only one who thinks that that particular thread was in need of some cooler heads.

This post has been edited by altie: Dec 27 2006, 03:05 PM

Which post was it exactly? I edit a lot of my posts and my editing is usually done within 5 minutes of posting. Mostly it's due to grammatical errors and spelling errors.

Mudsling competition that has nothing to do with the thread title? If you went through the posts, you will be able to see that our debate has much to do with the thread. Darklight said that he thinks the guys there try too hard to win a girl's affection, to which I disagreed, and the points brought forth thereafter are almost all inter-related.

Darklight and I did not take the debate as seriously as you did, hence making it easy for us to move beyond our disagreement. Take note of my use of "lol" and other signals, which shows I mean it in a light-hearted manner. It is difficult to tell a person's true emotions over the Internet, so it is essential to consider the effect of these simple signs. For instance, you probably would not have known that darklight was having the time of his life out there. Starting a flame war? I don't think so.

Rest assured, no forummers were harmed in the process. Also, moderator chewxy closed the thread after I was suspended because he didn't want things to get out of hand while I was not there, not because he thought I started a flame war. He also thought that it should be closed until I sort certain things out.

I started this thread to find out exactly what it is that I've done to warrant a suspension so that I would not repeat it in the future. This is not to get you into trouble, although the nature of my suspension does raise certain puzzling questions. After all, as you have so kindly pointed out, I cannot accuse you of something you have not done, no? Lighten up a little, dear. Come on, it's the festive season!

P/S: OT. Altie, I think we need to talk about the grudge you've held from 2 months ago. I do feel sorry that youu have misunderstood me. I'm getting worried about your psychological well-being. It's not healthy for you to go on like this.

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This post has been edited by Princess Shmoosh: Dec 28 2006, 03:33 PM

Seems like a deja vu to me but let me try to explain here.

All actions taken upon a member is done with due consideration. First of all, a moderator cannot issues suspension. He/she must refer to at least a staff or an admin to do so. So how fit such a suspension be given is deemed based on also the staff/admins discretion (Which is basically still, I believe, impartial). So hence thereforth whoever had malice with you was given a good reason thanks to you to warrant report which lead to a suspension. Nothing is ever unrelated to Newton's Third Law.

And based on what I read in your thread does warrant some form of action. I do not know whether you have been warned before this but if you ignored the warnings issued, it is at your own peril. You are basically flaming. Plain and simple. You did incite a strong sense of wanting to respond back in a more crude manner due to the nature of your retorts and written expressions. That is the problem with the internet. You cannot rely on expressions lik "lol" whatsoever to relay loght heartedness. Such expressions are also intepreted as sarcasm mind you.

And as for altie, take it easy with the explanation. You don't really need to explain your tasks. Just justify the reasoning of suspension request (if you were the one requested it). And take such incidents as a test of patience and apathy for minor squabbles. You WILL need it in the future as long as you are active as a member of the moderating team. Trust me

deja vu? how so? actually, i believe it was tocatta who started to 'incite a strong sense of wanting to respond back in a more crude manner due to the nature of (his) retorts and written expressions'. i was the one who responded.

so why was i the only one suspended? that is my question. if what i did is flaming, then i certainly wasnt the only one in there. but i was the only one suspended because i was the only one reported. and i was the only one reported because...well, u know, "the grudge". is it because i was the thread starter? if yes, i've certainly learnt something because i wasnt aware that thread starters also play the role of 'discipline masters'.

and there is a fine line between sarcasm and flaming. so how do you mods differentiate btwn the two?

anyway, i don't want to start 2007 with animosity and negativity. like i said, i started this thread to find out what it was exactly that i did and hope never to repeat it in the future.

as for altie, i thought the garage sales misunderstanding was long over, but clearly not, on ur part. do PM me because i would like to clear this out and hope for u to get over it soon. happy new year, everyone!

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This post has been edited by Princess Shmoosh: Dec 28 2006, 07:41 PM

You are not entitled to know who else, if any, was suspended/warned, Princess Shmoosh. We keep warnings/suspensions confidential.

no, haha, i wasn't asking to know. i was saying that no one else involved in the "flame war" got suspended. because i talk to them sometimes and they were "unharmed".

^ did u press the report button? if u did i'm sure mod will do something

I cant find anything wrong in her post, i think she deserve an apology, she handled the thread pretty well and didn't spark/incite hatred flames whatsoever.

Don't tell me staff/mods/admin are always in the right? Apologize now .

I'm sorry.

awww, thanks for the support, guys. happy new year!!!

waaaah... so the limit is juz 29 post per hour?...

having been on the other side of the fence
I can say this argument never flies, there is never enough staff to catch everything and presenting the particulars of a case is all that matters

Good Luck

(personally Id say these sorts of things are better conducted privately with staff)

The excuse of he did it, so i guess i'm allowed to do it too doesn't apply here. If you know its against forum policy, report it, don't get involved in it. Chances are someone else will report you in, and you'll be the one which gets the full blame.

i can never understand why forumers always say "others did it but never got any warn/ban/suspension".

How in high heaven would you know there wasn't any action taken? can you see other forumers warning bar?

what do you expect to happen? fireworks and a brass band playing when action is taken by a mod/staff/admin on the offending forumer?

just let it go laaaa
small problem only ma...
suspended for 3 days only ma, not 3 month not 3 years

life goes on..cheer up guys

wow, actually, i've already left the matter already, so i was surprised when someone told me there are new replies on my thread.

Ice Czar, i did try to settle it in private. but i wasn't getting any replies, so i was advised that this would be the only way of getting some answers/responses.

AsenDURE, actually, i talk to the people who were involved and as far as i know, they havent been suspended. i did not direct that to all the forummers in general, i meant the forummers who were involved in this matter u misunderstood what i was trying to say, i think.

se7en, i did not realize that it was against the forum policy. to me, i was just presenting my point of view in defense. i agree that it got heated, but when u're passionate about something, it usually does, haha. but i did not think that it got out of control though.

maybe it's the newbie view because i'm so new here so i wouldn't know what constitutes as flaming/trolling or whatever it is. my grouse is that the person who reported me held a grudge against me. if he was really just trying to be righteous and just, he would have reported everyone involved, no?

but anyway, madstone is right, it's just a small matter. i only wanted to get some answers to certain things i was unsure of. no point to get all worked up over it. we're all here to have some fun

Sadly, what you think you know and what is the truth are two very different things. This matter is considered closed.