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 Sony Xperia X-series - Official Thread V1, Xperia XZ Announced! Triple Sensing Tech

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post Feb 26 2016, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(MPIK @ Feb 26 2016, 11:08 AM)
lol, haha....agreed.

how much really does it cost just to include another 1GB of RAM onto the phone?
since Sony mentioned there will not be any Z6 and I assume this will be their flagship and yet 3GB RAM?

What's their engineers thinking? Sony can only blame themselves if this company closes.
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It's not easy to build a phone. It's not like you want add 1gb of ram then can simply add. It's depend on board design, engineering knowledge, manufacturing availability, cost of parts and etc. U need to know Samsung is very very big company and they are more to IDM. They can design, produce some parts by their own. And also need to see the volume. Samsung sales may a lot units than Sony, they manage to lower the supplier cost.

It's really depending on ecosystem of each company. There are always better and better.. And they will do market analysis on each segment and decide the pricing.
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post Feb 26 2016, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(ckchan @ Feb 26 2016, 09:28 PM)
annoncement from Sony Mobile MY on their fb
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Dual version will be more famous in Malaysia I guess. Lol but I can't change already. Just wonder z5 series can get predictive hybrid focus,?! By theory should be able to make it through software.
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post Feb 27 2016, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(ckchan @ Feb 26 2016, 11:48 PM)
not if it's more famous here but i'm definitely looking for a dual sim phone for my next smartphone. i travel overseas for work often and a dual sim version will be definitely more convenient
yeah... come this oct and it'll be 3 years. actually my z1 still serving me well after changing the battery. true that it launch apps a bit slower than newer phone and still it's not that bad that i consider it as lag. anyway i'm looking to upgrade to a dual sim, front facing speaker (got bored cupping my hand at the bottom speaker whenever watching video), and a better battery life phone

sony mobile my fb page does show a picture of 3 xperia x when they made the announcement. 1 is definitely XA. the other 2 which look identical, i assume it will be X and XP
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Dual sim is very convenient as I using it. The reason I use android instead of apple ios. I need dual sim for personal and work purpose too..
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post Jun 6 2016, 07:55 PM

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Fuyoh. 2499.. Waa. Wonder how much is x performance then.
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post Jun 6 2016, 07:57 PM

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Review is OK but those look for high spec will not buy off with that price la.
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post Jun 6 2016, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(wind3524 @ Jun 6 2016, 09:41 PM)
Overall is good in all aspect except the average battery life and low light shot.
The most drawback is the PRICE.
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The price. No waterproof, overall is good and nice built. Brightness is really too bright if full bar. Just use auto brightness I believe can go more than 4 hours SOT for normal usage.

Low light shot I don't feel any problem over there. Considered a lot better than others.
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post Jun 6 2016, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(wind3524 @ Jun 6 2016, 10:24 PM)
In that review video the reviewer said it has paint effect when it comes to lowlight.
It should put price tag at RM2099.
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with tiny sensor of smartphone, i accept those in artificiallights or lowlight.. without zoom 100%, it is okay for social media and even print out in B5 B4 size.. most important, focus of the photo must not be blur..
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post Jun 6 2016, 11:05 PM

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im not sure how they define their xperia x series. but definitely this is not direct competition like Snapdragon 650 chipset device, e.g. redmi note 3 vs Xperia X. Although same chipset but overall build and quality is totally different. It's more like oppo right now, normal chipset, but build quality is a lot better than other manufacturers..

in the end, up to consumer's preference. In my opinion, with this rm2499 price tag, i will rather take Z5 dual.. better spec and support IP68 waterproof.. 3gb ram, 32gb internal storage.. difference in object tracking camera and higher resolution front facing camera.. i will still go for z5 dual or z5 premium.. dual sim and separate micro sim slot..
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post Jun 7 2016, 07:45 PM

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Seems like mid range device is almost same as a flagship in this game review
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post Jun 8 2016, 08:24 AM

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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Jun 7 2016, 08:17 PM)
Snapdragon 650 series processors are quite powerful. The only drawback is weak GPU (hence no 4K encoding support).

Initially I thought it was meant to replace M5, but turned out  puke.gif .
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Argh. Continue to use your m5 better. 2499 adoi. So ass pain. Cpu with A72 is powerful. But gpu in s650 is normal average.


QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Jun 7 2016, 08:18 PM)
but if you noticed, the S7 has better graphics. the shadows and dynamic range are better.
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Different display panel. S7 got software glitches. Need optimise again. X do have powerful A72 core supported there. But gpu still is a weak point. And most importantly, the price. Rm2499 is way too high. I will rather choose Z5 Dual at 2299.

QUOTE(squall_kay @ Jun 7 2016, 11:08 PM)
Even its able to outperform those flagship devices, thus it make sense to price it at flagship price? If they have common sense, by having a midranger that capable to beat out competitors flagship and price it at more affordable price, and utilize it to market it to customers, perhaps they can sell more devices to the mass.

For me, if want to buy flagship phone and even some midrange able to best it out, I still choose the flagship for overall package. Extra 1gb ram also doen't hurt to have it.
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Just kidding Bro.. X not really able to outperform than s7 la. Just software optimisation between these 2 phones are slightly different. S7 still better than X in overall aspect. Consumers will know how to value the stuff now. Rm2499 is very very tough price.. No waterproof, lower gpu specs. Sony really confident with their camera parts. X series most advertised features was on camera predictive autofocus.
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post Jun 8 2016, 06:06 PM

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From a business perspective, it's not easy as consumer think.

The cost of a phone cannot compare like A with A ( Snapdragon 650 vs 650 in this case).
First, structural design, hardware design.. PCB trial, software design, packing material design, inspection, certification, volume production. in every stage, do have any customise parts will incur extra costs.

It's like from motherboard, screen, camera, housing, battery, and a lot a lot of elements from components selection.



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post Jun 9 2016, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(FsBadBoyz @ Jun 8 2016, 11:54 PM)
Wah dont tell me thier chinese counterparts do not do the same and just copy what sony does? If im not mistaken you work in Intel no? So you should also know the majority of bom cost is always never more then 2/3(highest i have seen) of enduser price for consumer product. So don't tell me sony is so bad in thier economies to scale that they lose out to Chinese companys that sell products within asian region vs worldwide to sony?
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I don't know about the their companies and I can't comment much. From consumer perspective, the price for x is too high. This is from surface level. From business perspective, stakeholder aim to maximise the profit. I just wish to say that don't just compare on white paper. Cost is the critical parts for all companies. The components are the crucial factors. Seem like Sony have to take deep consideration on their components selection. Cost do have relationship with volume as well. Deep business acumen over here

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post Jun 9 2016, 08:45 AM

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yeah.. i just voice out from company perspective only..

each company do have their own strengths, weaknesses and others.. like what we learned and heard normally - SWOT analysis. Sony is totally under perform from analysis..

The future in mobile industry i can foresee are depend on Huawei & Samsung. They leading in most critical parts, wireless communication, memory/parts provider

For X model, really overpriced in my opinion.. But people may look forward on XA and XA ultra

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post Jun 9 2016, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(soitsuagain @ Jun 9 2016, 09:01 AM)
So you're saying that it is on the consumer's part to bear the cost for Sony while they generate enough volumes? May be true from a monopoly perspective but in a perfect competition, Sony has officially sounded their death knell. Nokia once said that too. More features, superior components. Besides, their video recording overheats and their camera low light is subpar.

From what I have gathered before, the pricing was to distinguish them away from the Chinese phones. So people would be curious. Of course, that won't be as soon as they had a head to head comparison with other models. Snapdragon 6series used to be the high end chipset before the announcement of the 800 variant. So IMO is Sony is still living in the past.
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I guess Sony is doing gambling.. If no sales, end up with loss and same route as Nokia.. They are good and talented.. But business nowadays had changed.. if they dont plan to change, really will follow as Nokia
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post Jun 12 2016, 09:25 AM

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Seem like X also got overheat control set by Sony in its software.. But surprisingly Z5 series Snapdragon 810 overheat monster that mentioned by most people are perform better..

*All video are record based on 1080p 60 fps in the test.. not sure which android version for each phone so no comment on that..
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QUOTE(kiwlm @ Jun 27 2016, 01:28 PM)
Anyway, just bought Xperia X! Got a 64gb sdcard as a free gift together with the transparent case and screen protector.
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i guess you're the one who purchase it.. give some user's review from your usage although i had molest the xperia X in Sony centre and do some quick comparison with Z5 Premium..
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post Sep 1 2016, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(ckchan @ Sep 1 2016, 12:52 PM)
When is the launching ( Malaysia time)? Any link for live broadcast? Very excited about this launch
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7pm later..
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post Sep 3 2016, 04:23 PM

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Check out these video from "iPhoneArena"..
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extreme test on video stabilisation..

 

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