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TSAngel of Deth
post Feb 11 2016, 12:30 AM, updated 10y ago

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Hello there,

My story is I used to have an activated copy of Windows 10 on my old motherboard (Mobo A), by taking advantage of the free upgrade from Windows 8 / 8.1. Early this year, my motherboard suddenly dead, sent it to vendor for RMA. In the meantime, I swapped with my backup motherboard (Mobo B) and successfully activate it using my old Windows 8 serial key. Just today Mobo A already out of RMA, and I swapped my Mobo B with it.

My problem is Windows no longer recognized this Mobo A, and I've tried reactivating it using the same Windows 8 serial key, but it just won't work. Calling Microsoft was unsuccessful since the lady over the phone told me to buy a new Windows 10 key, since Windows 8 key can only be used one time only to activate Windows 10 (which I had used on Mobo B). Is this true? Do I need to buy a new Windows 10 retail key?

I thought by buying retail key I'm entitled to upgrade my hardware whenever I want, and able to activate the Windows indefinitely by just calling the customer service.
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Feb 11 2016, 12:30 AM)
Hello there,

My story is I used to have an activated copy of Windows 10 on my old motherboard (Mobo A), by taking advantage of the free upgrade from Windows 8 / 8.1. Early this year, my motherboard suddenly dead, sent it to vendor for RMA. In the meantime, I swapped with my backup motherboard (Mobo B) and successfully activate it using my old Windows 8 serial key. Just today Mobo A already out of RMA, and I swapped my Mobo B with it.

My problem is Windows no longer recognized this Mobo A, and I've tried reactivating it using the same Windows 8 serial key, but it just won't work. Calling Microsoft was unsuccessful since the lady over the phone told me to buy a new Windows 10 key, since Windows 8 key can only be used one time only to activate Windows 10 (which I had used on Mobo B). Is this true? Do I need to buy a new Windows 10 retail key?

I thought by buying retail key I'm entitled to upgrade my hardware whenever I want, and able to activate the Windows indefinitely by just calling the customer service.
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first of all this understanding
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I thought by buying retail key I'm entitled to upgrade my hardware whenever I want, and able to activate the Windows indefinitely by just calling the customer service.


is an old one - tak boleh pakai anymore unfortunately

2ndly yes the activation code is tied to the BIOS of a particular MOBO

if you didn't extract and note it out when your old mobo was working then you
cannot prove that you officially had it

hence she is right, you would have to get a new activation code. Someone in this
forum sells oem ones for RM60 or so
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post Feb 11 2016, 01:01 AM

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Thanks for the response. Hmm, that OEM sounds tempting. There's no way I'm going to pay another full retail price, not after my old product key has been left unused on my old motherboard.

Previously I have reactivated it twice after motherboard swapping, but only for Windows 8.1. The customer service officer at that time didn't object at all since I'm using legit retail key. Thought it's the same for Windows 10.
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post Feb 11 2016, 01:11 AM

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since w10 1511, you can activate your clean-installed w10 with old keys.

if that failed you can do a clean install on w8.x on new hardware; activate it; then upgrade to w10; then do a clean install of w10.

by right with a retail license you can transfer it from one pc to another. so you should be able to activate your w10 as long as you have a legit key (contacting ms.support might need this for verification)


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post Feb 11 2016, 01:21 AM

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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Feb 11 2016, 01:01 AM)
Thanks for the response. Hmm, that OEM sounds tempting. There's no way I'm going to pay another full retail price, not after my old product key has been left unused on my old motherboard.

Previously I have reactivated it twice after motherboard swapping, but only for Windows 8.1. The customer service officer at that time didn't object at all since I'm using legit retail key. Thought it's the same for Windows 10.
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The free Windows 10 license is valid for one time activation only and tied-up to your old mobo and it's not transferable. You need to buy new license if you want to use Win 10 on your new mobo. Meanwhile for retail key, you can use it twice only on different machine. E.g. your current pc installed with Win 8, later you upgrade your proc, mobo, etc and you are allowed to activate again using the retail key. in future, you want to upgrade new spec again, you will not allowed to use the same key again. MS only allowed it to be activated 2 times on different machine.

Buying retail key means you can activate unlimited times on same machine. you can format/reinstall OS as many time as you like, activation will be successful. but not on multiple machine, even you only change mobo not whole new PC.
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QUOTE(soultaker @ Feb 11 2016, 01:21 AM)
The free Windows 10 license is valid for one time activation only and tied-up to your old mobo and it's not transferable. You need to buy new license if you want to use Win 10 on your new mobo. Meanwhile for retail key, you can use it twice only on different machine. E.g. your current pc installed with Win 8, later you upgrade your proc, mobo, etc and you are allowed to activate again using the retail key. in future, you want to upgrade new spec again, you will not allowed to use the same key again. MS only allowed it to be activated 2 times on different machine.

Buying retail key means you can activate unlimited times on same machine. you can format/reinstall OS as many time as you like, activation will be successful. but not on multiple machine, even you only change mobo not whole new PC.
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.. do you mind sharing with us where you got that information?

please don't be confused with an oem key. a retail key, especially from old os (w7/8.x), is eligible for transfer.
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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 11 2016, 01:45 AM)
.. do you mind sharing with us where you got that information?

please don't be confused with an oem key. a retail key, especially from old os (w7/8.x), is eligible for transfer.
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I'm sorry coz i couldn't provide you with the information since that is what understand last time during doing my job. I know the different between OEM and Retail. Just IINM, retail license would allowed you to activate twice on different machine with no question asked. If you need further transfer, you need to call MS.


Here is the thing I can suggest you. But you might not getting the Win 10 anymore since the free Win 10 in not transferable. At least you can try this.

1. Put back the Mobo B into your PC and check if the Win 8 copy is activated. Then follow below step:

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Press Windows key + X

Click Command Prompt (Admin)

At the command prompt, type: slmgr.vbs -upk

Hit Enter, this will uninstall the product key from the computer and set it back to trial mode, you are now free to use it on another computer.


2. Put back Mobo A (from RMA), then install Windows 8 again and activate it. If still failed, try below step:

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Once you have transferred to the new machine, you might need to reactivate by telephone:

Press Windows key + X then clickRun, then type: slui.exe 4
Next press the 'ENTER' key
Select your 'Country' from the list.
Choose the 'Phone Activation' option.
Stay on the phone (do not select/press any options) and wait for a person to help you with activation.
Explain your problem clearly to the support person.


If you successfully activate it, try to check if it still possible to get the free Win 10 upgrade. It might be your luck. Hope this will help you.
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QUOTE(soultaker @ Feb 11 2016, 02:20 AM)
I'm sorry coz i couldn't provide you with the information since that is what understand last time during doing my job. I know the different between OEM and Retail. Just IINM, retail license would allowed you to activate twice on different machine with no question asked. If you need further transfer, you need to call MS.
Here is the thing I can suggest you. But you might not getting the Win 10 anymore since the free Win 10 in not transferable. At least you can try this.

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oh ok. yeah from what i have read and learned was that calling ms.support is the better option when reactivation is required. (get the number with slui 4) i did that when i swapped my cpu. (not mobo)

seriously, until now, there are still a lot of confusions surrounding the topic. about transfer, it depends on the base qualifying license (ie. old key). if it's a retail key, it's transferable. ms.support must allow this. source: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider...e4-45f4b7ed2fb9 (ctrl+f to search 'Full version (Retail):')

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post Feb 11 2016, 07:27 AM

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What's weird though, from my last conversation that lady not even bother to ask about my Installation ID (9 sets of number). She just said I need to buy a new key.

But not that it matters anyway since, the only way I can retrieve my genuine Installation ID is by installing the old Motherboard back onto my PC again and running the slui.exe 4 command.
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For future reference, here's what you should've done:

Upon upgrading, install BelArc Advisor and extract your Windows 10 product key. That way, when you reformat you can install Windows 10 directly and key in that product key to activate.
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post Feb 11 2016, 07:32 AM

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When I upgrade a preinstalled (OEM) or retail version of Windows 7 or Windows 8/8.1 license to Windows 10, does that license remain OEM or become a retail license?

If you upgrade from a OEM or retail version of Windows 7 or Windows 8/8.1 to the free Windows 10 upgrade this summer, the license is consumed into it. Because the free upgrade is derived from the base qualifying license, Windows 10 will carry that licensing too.



If you upgrade from a retail version, it carries the rights of a retail version.

If you upgrade from a OEM version, it carries the rights of a OEM version.



Full version (Retail):

- Includes transfer rights to another computer.

- Doesn't require a previous qualifying version of Windows.

- Expensive



Upgrade version (Retail):

- Includes transfer rights to another computer.

- require a previous qualifying version of Windows.

- Expensive, but cheaper than full version



OEM :

OEM versions of Windows are identical to Full License Retail versions except for the following:

- OEM versions do not offer any free Microsoft direct support from Microsoft support personnel

- OEM licenses are tied to the very first computer you install and activate it on

- OEM versions allow all hardware upgrades except for an upgrade to a different model motherboard

- OEM versions cannot be used to directly upgrade from an older Windows operating system



What happens if I change my motherboard?

As it pertains to the OEM license this will invalidate the Windows 10 upgrade license because it will no longer have a previous base qualifying license which is required for the free upgrade. You will then have to purchase a full retail Windows 10 license. If the base qualifying license (Windows 7 or Windows 8.1) was a full retail version, then yes, you can transfer it.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider...e4-45f4b7ed2fb9


From their FAQ, it seems I am still entitled to transfer my retail key from my old Motherboard.

I have to say their customer service has become pretty bad since the last time I called them over a year ago for the same problem. Keep insisting with stock questions, and I can't help to think that the person behind the phone was taking me for a pirate.

From the FAQ above it is clearly written my Windows 8 serial key carries the rights of a retail version of Windows 10, and it is within my rights to transfer my key to another machine. Actually i'm not new in this situation, I have transferred my key twice before for Windows 8.1 via phone, not sure why I cannot do that anymore this time.

Moreover after reading the FAQ thoroughly, It seems there are no parity between Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 to Windows 10 serial key, as long as it is the retail version. So frustrating since I paid full price for my Windows 8 three years ago.



This post has been edited by Angel of Deth: Feb 11 2016, 08:29 AM
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try calling again. who know other CS might activate for you.
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QUOTE(soultaker @ Feb 11 2016, 01:21 AM)
The free Windows 10 license is valid for one time activation only and tied-up to your old mobo and it's not transferable. You need to buy new license if you want to use Win 10 on your new mobo. Meanwhile for retail key, you can use it twice only on different machine. E.g. your current pc installed with Win 8, later you upgrade your proc, mobo, etc and you are allowed to activate again using the retail key. in future, you want to upgrade new spec again, you will not allowed to use the same key again. MS only allowed it to be activated 2 times on different machine.

Buying retail key means you can activate unlimited times on same machine. you can format/reinstall OS as many time as you like, activation will be successful. but not on multiple machine, even you only change mobo not whole new PC.
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A bit incorrect on the retail version issue.

OEM, one also can activate multiple time.
One will not have problem to activate OEM version when doing reformatting, when the machine hardware is not changed.

Retail version,
You can move the OS around, as long as it is not installed in more than 1 machine.
You buy a retail version installed in Machine A.
Machine A broken, you can transfer the OS to new Machine B.

While for OEM, it cannot. The OS is tied to specific Machine A, cannot install on other Machine.
If buy a new Machine B, you need to buy another new OS.

I would say, the free Win 10 is really a messy situation especially when need to deal with fresh install, key and activation issues.



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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Feb 11 2016, 07:27 AM)
What's weird though, from my last conversation that lady not even bother to ask about my Installation ID (9 sets of number). She just said I need to buy a new key.

But not that it matters anyway since, the only way I can retrieve my genuine Installation ID is by installing the old Motherboard back onto my PC again and running the slui.exe 4 command.
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this is weird. normally they will check before telling people to buy a new key. ms actually asked us to call their support to regain digital entitlement. source: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows...n-in-windows-10

QUOTE(v1n0d @ Feb 11 2016, 07:31 AM)
For future reference, here's what you should've done:

Upon upgrading, install BelArc Advisor and extract your Windows 10 product key. That way, when you reformat you can install Windows 10 directly and key in that product key to activate.
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uh? if it's from free w10 free upgrade (licensed with digital entitlement), we all have the same generic keys.

QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Feb 11 2016, 07:32 AM)
From their FAQ, it seems I am still entitled to transfer my retail key from my old Motherboard.

I have to say their customer service has become pretty bad since the last time I called them over a year ago for the same problem. Keep insisting with stock questions, and I can't help to think that the person behind the phone was taking me for a pirate.

From the FAQ above it is clearly written my Windows 8 serial key carries the rights of a retail version of Windows 10, and it is within my rights to transfer my key to another machine. Actually i'm not new in this situation, I have transferred my key twice before for Windows 8.1 via phone, not sure why I cannot do that anymore this time.

Moreover after reading the FAQ thoroughly, It seems there are no parity between Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 to Windows 10 serial key, as long as it is the retail version. So frustrating since I paid full price for my Windows 8 three years ago.
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yes. it's frustrating. however i also suggest you to try again but this time explaining the situation when you talk to a human. the last few times i did that they were helpful.

in the link i posted ( http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows...n-in-windows-10 ), you will see that ms is making the digital entitlement one of their official licensing methods for upgrades from older os. this method, while effective, are unable to handle scenarios such as switching mobo (if the old mobo is faulty, how can we even boot it up to remove product key from the old system?). hence, at the last part of that page, customer support is supposed to complete the coverage of our rights.
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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 11 2016, 12:01 PM)
uh? if it's from free w10 free upgrade (licensed with digital entitlement), we all have the same generic keys.
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Are you sure? I've done this on the 3 PCs in my house and each one has a separate key. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(v1n0d @ Feb 11 2016, 12:22 PM)
Are you sure? I've done this on the 3 PCs in my house and each one has a separate key. rclxub.gif
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yes i am sure, i have 5 w8.1 pro retail keys, all converted to w10 pro via digital entitlement. all 5 have the same generic key.

edit: maybe you're referring to different windows editions. w10 home, single language, and pro keys are different. if it's the same edition, they share the same key.


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Yup, this is indeed a mess. Even their own Customer Service Officer also doesn't know anybody who obtain a copy of Windows 10 through upgrade from retail Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 is entitled to the same rights as someone who owns a retail copy of Windows 10.

Disappointing because they not even bother to check my Serial Key and Installation ID. Trying to tell them my full story was a waste of time since they keep repeating and insisting I have to buy a new key.
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Feb 11 2016, 01:08 PM)
Yup, this is indeed a mess. Even their own Customer Service Officer also doesn't know anybody who obtain a copy of Windows 10 through upgrade from retail Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 is entitled to the same rights as someone who owns a retail copy of Windows 10.

Disappointing because they not even bother to check my Serial Key and Installation ID. Trying to tell them my full story was a waste of time since they keep repeating and insisting I have to buy a new key.
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this is quite true. while a person who just takes some time to read online will find this out easily. apparently they didn't do that :/ (not sure why internally they didn't update their staff)
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Feb 11 2016, 01:08 PM)
Yup, this is indeed a mess. Even their own Customer Service Officer also doesn't know anybody who obtain a copy of Windows 10 through upgrade from retail Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 is entitled to the same rights as someone who owns a retail copy of Windows 10.

Disappointing because they not even bother to check my Serial Key and Installation ID. Trying to tell them my full story was a waste of time since they keep repeating and insisting I have to buy a new key.
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That is why I go pirate or buy a cheap (very very cheap) key that works. Wasted so much on original sticker keys before. Screw them.
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QUOTE(MaUi^ @ Feb 11 2016, 02:02 PM)
That is why I go pirate or buy a cheap (very very cheap) key that works. Wasted so much on original sticker keys before. Screw them.
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Thinking of doing the same thing with my future purchases. Really regret buying retail versions at inflated prices.
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QUOTE(v1n0d @ Feb 11 2016, 02:08 PM)
Thinking of doing the same thing with my future purchases. Really regret buying retail versions at inflated prices.
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This is an example of how DRM punishes genuine customer.

I have experience buying key from OEM reseller, (unsure if it is legit or not). Not only it is much cheaper, the seller is 100% much more helpful and sincere in helping the potential buyer compared to Microsoft own employee.

To me after sales service is much more important than the product itself.
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@TS
Sorry TS tumpang your thread,as my question is quite similar.

Guys, i've just changed a new motherboard,since im using OEM Windows 10(Upgraded from Windows 8.1)how do i re-activate my license on this new board?

thank you in advance.


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QUOTE(Lynixx @ Feb 26 2016, 07:59 AM)
@TS
Sorry TS tumpang your thread,as my question is quite similar.

Guys, i've just changed a new motherboard,since im using OEM Windows 10(Upgraded from Windows 8.1)how do i re-activate my license on this new board?

thank you in advance.
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sorry but oem license is tied to mobo. changing mobo means you need to get another license.
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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 26 2016, 05:34 PM)
sorry but oem license is tied to mobo. changing mobo means you need to get another license.
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Mean i have to spend another few hundreds for new OEM copy? Oh gawd
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QUOTE(Lynixx @ Feb 27 2016, 12:32 AM)
Mean i have to spend another few hundreds for new OEM copy? Oh gawd
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yes. alternatively, you can get retail keys for a good price from garage sales. you can either get a w7/w8.x retail and do upgrade before 29 July 2016, or just grab w10 retail keys directly.

for cost savings, just don't get w10 pro retail at windows store; it's MYR1,099 per unit.


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Update:

I have took the advice from the service desk of microsoft to revert back to windows 8.1 and upgrade to windows 10 again,it works, my new mobo is activated already.

But they said,after the free program ended and you have changed new mobo again you will no longer able to get free upgrade to windows10. Either purchase new license for windows 10 or stick with current windows that comes with the seriel key.

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QUOTE(Lynixx @ Feb 28 2016, 03:25 PM)
Update:

I have took the advice from the service desk of microsoft to revert back to windows 8.1 and upgrade to windows 10 again,it works, my new mobo is activated already.

But they said,after the free program ended and you have changed new mobo again you will no longer able to get free upgrade to windows10. Either purchase new license for windows 10 or stick with current windows that comes with the seriel key.
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Nice smile.gif oem licensing by right cannot be transferred. While some people had a no-go in your situations, for some reasons you're lucky smile.gif

It's not the same as retail licensing. For retail versions, ms shall help users to regain digital entitlements (it's highlighted in their w10 free upgrade faq page)

 

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