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post May 29 2016, 12:38 AM

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Thank you all.

Actually the more i dig about AVR the more poison i get. Before, i thought i just want to enjoy dolby true hd and dts Hd. But after i read about Atmos, my mind now thinking I should aim to get an AVR with Atmos supporr. Hopefully the price will drop a bit for AVR that come with Atmos next year.

My mind now thinking if any Atmost AVR available together with 5 speakers, i will go for it. Later i will invest for a good subwoofer. For front, center and rear speaker...any package will do.
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post May 29 2016, 03:15 AM

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QUOTE(capoi @ May 29 2016, 01:09 AM)
Thank you all.

Actually the more i dig about AVR the more poison i get. Before, i thought i just want to enjoy dolby true hd and dts Hd. But after i read about Atmos, my mind now thinking I should aim to get an AVR with Atmos supporr. Hopefully the price will drop a bit for AVR that come with Atmos next year.

My mind now thinking if any Atmost AVR available together with 5 speakers, i will go for it. Later i will invest for a good subwoofer. For front, center and rear speaker...any package will do.
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If you want to do Atmos, do it properly.

By that I mean by actually getting a receiver capable of doing 5.x.4 or 7.x.2 at the least. The mid-range receivers only capable for 7 channel processing is actually somewhat pointless. 5.x.2 is really only viable in small rooms (under 1400cu feet). Plan your room size, plan how long it will take for you to get everything in order. Getting a mid-range 7 channel AVR is pointless if you plan to do Atmos in a reasonably medium or large size room as there's really very little "future proofing" with AVRs now a days even if pretty much all the major features are already there.

Also, get your bed channels right first before considering Atmos. Spend as much as your speaker budget allows on the LCR. Get some decent surround channels, place them properly at the optimal height. After all that, then you worry about the overhead channels. Atmos is nice and all, but its benefits is really only worthwhile when you get everything else right first.
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post May 29 2016, 07:38 AM

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QUOTE(capoi @ May 29 2016, 01:09 AM)
Thank you all.

Actually the more i dig about AVR the more poison i get. Before, i thought i just want to enjoy dolby true hd and dts Hd. But after i read about Atmos, my mind now thinking I should aim to get an AVR with Atmos supporr. Hopefully the price will drop a bit for AVR that come with Atmos next year.

My mind now thinking if any Atmost AVR available together with 5 speakers, i will go for it. Later i will invest for a good subwoofer. For front, center and rear speaker...any package will do.
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In HT the LCR and the sub is the most important. So will recommend you invest in this first. Atmos and dts X is all depend on what is the room size to setup. Ceiling speaker is the recommended
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ May 29 2016, 03:15 AM)
If you want to do Atmos, do it properly.

By that I mean by actually getting a receiver capable of doing 5.x.4 or 7.x.2 at the least. The mid-range receivers only capable for 7 channel processing is actually somewhat pointless. 5.x.2 is really only viable in small rooms (under 1400cu feet). Plan your room size, plan how long it will take for you to get everything in order. Getting a mid-range 7 channel AVR is pointless if you plan to do Atmos in a reasonably medium or large size room as there's really very little "future proofing" with AVRs now a days even if pretty much all the major features are already there.

Also, get your bed channels right first before considering Atmos. Spend as much as your speaker budget allows on the LCR. Get some decent surround channels, place them properly at the optimal height. After all that, then you worry about the overhead channels. Atmos is nice and all, but its benefits is really only worthwhile when you get everything else right first.
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Thank you. I consider my room is small. I will consider either 5.1.2 or 5.1.4. More than that impossible already.

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QUOTE(capoi @ May 29 2016, 01:09 AM)
Thank you all.

Actually the more i dig about AVR the more poison i get. Before, i thought i just want to enjoy dolby true hd and dts Hd. But after i read about Atmos, my mind now thinking I should aim to get an AVR with Atmos supporr. Hopefully the price will drop a bit for AVR that come with Atmos next year.

My mind now thinking if any Atmost AVR available together with 5 speakers, i will go for it. Later i will invest for a good subwoofer. For front, center and rear speaker...any package will do.
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Now I wonder if Atmos system will mess up with 7.1 system. Like what said in the video, most Bluray source came with 7.1 audio. What will happen to the 2 channel of audio which suppose to be placed at left and right of the room but now it in the ceiling. This situation is considering a bluray without atmos audio track. Will it become weird?

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post May 30 2016, 06:51 AM

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QUOTE(capoi @ May 30 2016, 01:44 AM)
Now I wonder if Atmos system will mess up with 7.1 system. Like what said in the video, most Bluray source came with 7.1 audio. What will happen to the 2 channel of audio which suppose to be placed at left and right of the room but now it in the ceiling. This situation is considering a bluray without atmos audio track. Will it become weird?
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Not sure about atmos but had been using neural X for all my movies which is 7.1 and is very good
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post May 30 2016, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(capoi @ May 30 2016, 01:44 AM)
Now I wonder if Atmos system will mess up with 7.1 system. Like what said in the video, most Bluray source came with 7.1 audio. What will happen to the 2 channel of audio which suppose to be placed at left and right of the room but now it in the ceiling. This situation is considering a bluray without atmos audio track. Will it become weird?
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No it won't.
With most receivers that has Atmos/DTS:X, you can do 2 things depending on your setup.

1) If it's a 5.x.4/2 setup, enabling DSU or Neural X will simply upmix the surround back channels and whatever faux height info to the overhead/height speakers.
2) Don't enable anything, use your receiver's "straight" mode. If you only have a 5 channel as your bed layers, the receiver will automatically mix the surround back info into the surround left/right speakers.

I've tested every iteration of Atmos/DTSX setup commercially available by now, from 7.x.4 to 5.x.2. At no point did a 7.1 mix sounded weird or off. Enabling DSU/NeuralX will make them behave like they are Atmos/DTSX tracks. Some movies it works very well, some not quite.

Also understand that not ALL movies with a 7.1 track are actually recorded as proper 7.1 channels. Many from the mid 2000s have a fake internal upmix from 5.1 into a 7.1 track.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ May 30 2016, 03:31 PM)
No it won't.
With most receivers that has Atmos/DTS:X, you can do 2 things depending on your setup.

1) If it's a 5.x.4/2 setup, enabling DSU or Neural X will simply upmix the surround back channels and whatever faux height info to the overhead/height speakers.
2) Don't enable anything, use your receiver's "straight" mode. If you only have a 5 channel as your bed layers, the receiver will automatically mix the surround back info into the surround left/right speakers.

I've tested every iteration of Atmos/DTSX setup commercially available by now, from 7.x.4 to 5.x.2. At no point did a 7.1 mix sounded weird or off. Enabling DSU/NeuralX will make them behave like they are Atmos/DTSX tracks. Some movies it works very well, some not quite.

Also understand that not ALL movies with a 7.1 track are actually recorded as proper 7.1 channels. Many from the mid 2000s have a fake internal upmix from 5.1 into a 7.1 track.
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Thanks. Really appreciate your explanation.
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post May 31 2016, 03:23 PM

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Didn't get to listen to the Klipsch RF7 II last weekend.

Instead went to my granduncle's house to listen to his Magnepans. Still in awe of how smooth and rich the high end detail were. The speakers totally "disappeared", placing the sound in uncanny valley. Those ribbon tweeters are real stunning stuff, never harsh, never fatiguing, it's just soul striking.

Too bad he doesn't like a lot of bass and thus only have a single Wharfedale D8 sub so the low-end stuff was not to my liking.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ May 31 2016, 03:23 PM)
Didn't get to listen to the Klipsch RF7 II last weekend.

Instead went to my granduncle's house to listen to his Magnepans. Still in awe of how smooth and rich the high end detail were. The speakers totally "disappeared", placing the sound in uncanny valley. Those ribbon tweeters are real stunning stuff, never harsh, never fatiguing, it's just soul striking.

Too bad he doesn't like a lot of bass and thus only have a single Wharfedale D8 sub so the low-end stuff was not to my liking.
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thumbup.gif magnepan looks cool 😉

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post Jun 1 2016, 06:57 AM

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QUOTE(sivanathan04 @ Jun 1 2016, 12:53 AM)
thumbup.gif magnepan looks cool 😉
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It's a good speaker and is also $$$$$
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QUOTE(sonerin @ Jun 1 2016, 06:57 AM)
It's a good speaker and is also $$$$$
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Hi,

Anyone know is there a yamaha gallery to show all their products and provide better user hand-on and experience?

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QUOTE(steplee @ Jun 1 2016, 09:10 AM)
Hi,

Anyone know is there a yamaha gallery to show all their products and provide better user hand-on and experience?

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Yamaha kelana jaya is the HQ which will have all their products
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QUOTE(sivanathan04 @ Jun 1 2016, 12:53 AM)
thumbup.gif magnepan looks cool 😉
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Looks is one thing, performance is another. To really drive the Maggies, an external amp would be ideal.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jun 1 2016, 02:49 PM)
Looks is one thing, performance is another. To really drive the Maggies, an external amp would be ideal.
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Great listener have to spend more 😉...external amp it means power amp right
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QUOTE(sivanathan04 @ Jun 1 2016, 03:39 PM)
Great listener have to spend more 😉...external amp it means power amp right
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Yes, an external power amp.

Many things need to upgrade though, the projector is the first one (it's still only a JVC 720p lol). A newer pre/pro and at least a sub upgrade.

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