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Ghosthunter
post Oct 5 2021, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(gobiomani @ Oct 5 2021, 10:38 AM)
Referring to the bolded part, that is some lofty claim you made there. Can you give some details of what you have tried and compared against what amp system to come to your conclusion?
Really interested to know as I always thought that soundbars are rubbish and cannot compete with amps + passive speakers of similar value. If soundbars have indeed improved so much I would also be keen to give them a try.
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I am not an expert on these matters , I merely made a suggestion , nothing lofty .
I was talking about space and merely replying to the members question .
Yes, the amp plus sub-woofer with some speakers will do a better job , if one wants to go this way .
It’s still the members choice at the end of the day .





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post Oct 5 2021, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(Ghosthunter @ Oct 5 2021, 02:13 PM)
I am not an expert on these matters , I merely made a suggestion , nothing lofty .
I was talking about space and merely replying to the members question .
Yes, the amp plus sub-woofer with some speakers will do a better job , if one wants to go this way .
It’s still the members choice at the end of the day .
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Ok, so you are just a newbie who have just discovered atmos and are now preaching about its goodness. Saw your post in another thread where you posted the same link. Welcome to the audio world!
I agree about space, many people like soundbars for their form factor and this is fine, but to claim that they sound great compared to separate amps & speakers is misleading.
For "great" sound, I will choose a pair of passive speakers with an amplifier over any "Atmos" soundbar (of comparable value) every single time.
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post Oct 5 2021, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(Ghosthunter @ Oct 5 2021, 02:13 PM)
I am not an expert on these matters , I merely made a suggestion , nothing lofty .
I was talking about space and merely replying to the members question .
Yes, the amp plus sub-woofer with some speakers will do a better job , if one wants to go this way .
It’s still the members choice at the end of the day .
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No matter how little space you have, you'll still have space to put a pair of bookshelves.

I'm quite sick and tired of people saying that if space is an issue = buy a soundbar.

If there is space for a soundbar, there is space for a pair of bookshelves. If there's no space for either, well then use headphones. Subs are not always mandatory, it depends a lot on the room size and layout.
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post Oct 5 2021, 09:08 PM

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no one told him, actually Atmos speaker are hanging above head?
haha sure soundbar cannot win in term of space saving becos u can never hang a soundbar up there tongue.gif
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post Oct 5 2021, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(cubicle @ Oct 5 2021, 09:29 AM)
hey bro!! how are you?
hahaha yes, i'm into stereo for many years, still learning though.
My friend will go for either yamaha, denon or marantz receiver, and pair with his current low priced speaker for now. Will keep poisoning him with higher-end item  biggrin.gif
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3 brands are good to go. i will pick denon or marantz whichever got best offer. becos audyssey > ypao programs.

QUOTE(kkthen @ Oct 5 2021, 10:02 AM)
I also stereo kaki long time ago. Now I am enjoy arcam receiver with xtz bookshelf speaker.  Mostly I am using  stereo mode to enjoy my tv drama, because most of the sources are  pcm 2.0 only.Although  I try to up-mix 2.0 source  to 5.1 with dobly surround mode. But I prefer more natural stereo mode.  Although dolby surround mode is louder.

So after that,  I give up any upmix surround mode.  IF source is dts hd,  I play dts HD.  source is dolby truhd, i play dolby truhd.  If source  is Atmos or DTS-x,  I play Atmos or DTS-x. IF soure is stereo, I only use left & Right Channel to play.
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QUOTE(ktek @ Oct 5 2021, 09:08 PM)
no one told him, actually Atmos speaker are hanging above head?
haha sure soundbar cannot win in term of space saving becos u can never hang a soundbar up there tongue.gif
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doh.gif i strongly felt atmos is overselling.. it became a logo like rather than its functionally.. from handphone to TV to tablet all atmos.. bangwall.gif
then ppl are so focus on atmos equipment rather than the experience the sound effect.. sweat.gif

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post Oct 6 2021, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ Oct 6 2021, 10:31 AM)
doh.gif i strongly felt atmos is overselling.. it became a logo like rather than its functionally.. from handphone to TV to tablet all atmos..  bangwall.gif
then ppl are so focus on atmos equipment rather than the experience the sound effect..  sweat.gif
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Yes that is true that the atmos is selling for all kind of hardware that is really like marketing gimmick. To really get atmos, the setup is not that straight forward but get it right is really enjoyable.
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QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ Oct 6 2021, 10:31 AM)
doh.gif i strongly felt atmos is overselling.. it became a logo like rather than its functionally.. from handphone to TV to tablet all atmos..  bangwall.gif
then ppl are so focus on atmos equipment rather than the experience the sound effect..  sweat.gif
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i didn't know that.. phone, tablet audio in atmos? rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Oct 6 2021, 10:48 AM)
i didn't know that.. phone, tablet audio in atmos? rolleyes.gif
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https://www.samsung.com/us/support/answer/ANS00080318/
yea bro.. i m using 1.. but cant feel shit abt atmos.. more like equalizer change when i enabled the atmos on my phone
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post Oct 6 2021, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ Oct 6 2021, 10:59 AM)
https://www.samsung.com/us/support/answer/ANS00080318/
yea bro.. i m using 1.. but cant feel shit abt atmos.. more like equalizer change when i enabled the atmos on my phone
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Is it u didnt put yr phone over yr head, so cant feel the shit of atmos?? tongue.gif tongue.gif
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maybe need 2 phones - 1 above head, 1 under yr feet! biggrin.gif
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post Oct 6 2021, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ Oct 6 2021, 10:59 AM)
https://www.samsung.com/us/support/answer/ANS00080318/
yea bro.. i m using 1.. but cant feel shit abt atmos.. more like equalizer change when i enabled the atmos on my phone
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Yes Bro. This is definitely one kind of surround mode. Actually dolby atmos sound mode make my phone sound terrible. I quickly turn this setting off after test few Music Video song on youtube.
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Use Atmos or Hifi Audio?


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post Oct 6 2021, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(voscar @ Oct 6 2021, 12:54 PM)
Use Atmos or Hifi Audio?
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I turn off any sound effect of my mi phone. Non EQ is best. IF you really want to adjust your sound EQ. Better adjust your color temperature of display setting. This will affect your sound quality, but you need very good hearing to distinguish the difference.

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QUOTE(cyclone2 @ Oct 6 2021, 11:12 AM)
Is it u didnt put yr phone over yr head, so cant feel the shit of atmos?? tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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i put it over my head then i lost my front stage puke.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Oct 6 2021, 10:48 AM)
i didn't know that.. phone, tablet audio in atmos? rolleyes.gif
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my fone is a dts:x


QUOTE(kkthen @ Oct 6 2021, 01:02 PM)
I turn off any sound effect of my mi phone. Non EQ  is best. IF you really want to adjust your sound EQ. Better adjust your color temperature of display setting. This will affect your sound quality, but you need very good hearing to distinguish the difference.
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QUOTE(ktek @ Oct 6 2021, 01:51 PM)
my fone is a dts:x
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post Oct 6 2021, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Oct 6 2021, 01:51 PM)
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Not legndary story. Nobody to tell us this information only. Because normally nobody adjust the phone color setting & playing the music at the same time. You can do some simple test. playing a song on Spotify , Toggle ON & OFF the Eyecare mode on your phone quick setting. You should hear Eyecare mode on, your song will become warmer than eyecare mode off. This is fastest way to change your display color temperature in your phone. Eyecare mode are warmer color than normal mode.

Off course, you also can try to change the picture preset. vivid, SRGB or P3 or custom. more red, sound warmer . more blue, sound brighter. Color control actually is EQ. Best sound quality is close to D65 standard, but need calibration equipment. Because all the content like movie, music video , drama. They are using d65 standard to produce. So when our display close to d65 standard. You got better Picture & Sound quality.

This theory also can apply to tv , monitor , projector. User who calibrate their display always can get better sound quality than uncalibrated display sound system, Especially In AV home theater system. Display calibration not only can affect Picture quality , Sound quality also improve which seldom people will notice.

Do you notice, When you change new TV. Your home theater sound system tone will change. Because every TV preset color is difference.

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QUOTE(kkthen @ Oct 6 2021, 02:25 PM)
Not legndary story. My friends who are stereo kaki mostly can hear the difference. Nobody to tell us this information only. Because normally  nobody adjust the phone color setting & playing the music at the same time.  You can do some simple test.  playing a song on Spotify , Toggle ON & OFF the  Eyecare mode on your phone quick setting.  You should hear Eyecare mode on, your song will become warmer than  eyecare mode off.
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Usually I turn off all the wifi, bluetooth, LTE, turn off all background google services, then also place my phone on a stand. Because according to all the audiophiles, if you isolate your source well enough then the sound will improve. I think next I have to change battery also because the stock battery is "noisy".

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QUOTE(ktek @ Oct 6 2021, 01:51 PM)
my fone is a dts:x
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