NA and FI almost similar in maintenance cost, unless every month ur turbo bearing and fin goyang, or boost bocor. That's different, that is manufacturing problem. Everything else is almost the same.
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NA and FI almost similar in maintenance cost, unless every month ur turbo bearing and fin goyang, or boost bocor. That's different, that is manufacturing problem. Everything else is almost the same.
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if u want total innovation, u need to stick with mazda, rotary..skyactiv, lots of innovation..
if u want good old tech, stick with toyota.. if u want something in the middle, buy honda if u want ricer car and heavy, buy mitsubishi...... |
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QUOTE(GeekinE90 @ May 3 2016, 10:24 AM) While I like Mazda cars, the rotary is dead. Trend today is for compact turbos that make good torque low down, lightweight and fuel efficient. Mazda is still stubborn and is sticking to larger displacement Skyactive engines which needs winding up to make the equivalent torque vs. it's smaller turbo rivals. Toyota is late is launching their compact mainstream 1.2T engine although Lexus has replaced the 2.5 V6 with the new 2.0T. yes, NA is really hard to improve, 10-20% improvement on NA require tremendous amount of effort compare to turbo, once they slapped in turbo(eg. mazda 3 mps skyactiv), it will be very good since the higher the compression, the better the car is. that's y other manufacturer go turbo, easier and give more benefit/cost of rnd.The other area is transmissions. It's a shame to see great engines being paired up with outdated and inefficient 6SP auto slushbox (e.g. NX200T). Mazda is also very late in the tranny tech race.. Lexus/Toyota has 8/9spd trannys coming soon. Honda DCTs and stepped CVTs which are highly efficient. Also, in terms of innovation, look at the weight of the vehicle to see how it stacks up to it's competitors. The new B9 A4, and the W205 C class is a generation ahead of BMW's F30. Modular platforms which uses ultra high tensile steel to give the rigidity and stiffness but without the fat. It takes manufacturers a lot of R&D $$$ to develop a new platform/Body in White that meets/exceeds the latest safety standards (e.g. small overlap crash tests), so some companies just rehash old BIWs and chassis for new models (e.g. current gen BMW 3 series). i thought mazda with the skyactiv transmission is good, there is no loss in power from engine to gearbox? of course 8/9 tranny is better. CVT is best but not many people like it, they like the feeling of jerking while transition between gears..hahaha.. for ultra high tensile, is this miles ahead better then proton preve? or almost similar? not sure bout mazda, but they manage to remove 300-400kg of weight though..mazda 6 only weigh around 16xxkg if im not mistaken for a class D car. i think its quite good. |
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