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post Dec 7 2007, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(X-Zen @ Dec 7 2007, 10:28 AM)
Update - Developer is rectifying the house now after I wrote to them officially.

One of my new neighbour update me that the developer did put waterproof material below the upstairs bathrooms structure. I think they just spray some chemical.

So when my neighbour deliberately fill up the bathroom with water and cover the flow, the next day can see the ceiling below has significant water mark

Seriously, this is bugging me a lot.

Help - Anyone has experienced on this matter? Can this be consider a defect?
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Your neighbour did good by performing a leak test to check for leaks... document it and inform the developer to get it fixed...

You should do the same thing too for your unit too because if the neighbour below you also complain after the DLP it's your unit that's leaking.

You're expected to do the honourable thing and fix it with your own money doh.gif moneyflies.gif
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post Feb 4 2008, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(wanfumi @ Jan 31 2008, 04:50 PM)
I would like to know if I can make a complaint to the developer regarding the design of the roof. The roof dont have a proper rain water piping and causing the rain water to fall directly to the ground instead to longkang. This causing a very bad erosion to the ground just beside the drain.

Clearly this is a design flaw but can i ask them to built a proper piping?
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Is this a house or condo? Sorry I can't tell from the picture...

If its a condo complain to the condo management corp... citing erosion and common area property damage.

If its a house I'm not familiar with drainage and irrigation laws... so its difficult to comment.

Does your neighbour have a similar design... if they have a culvert and you don't complain to the developer.

If all the houses don't have culverts and you're under DLP is doesn't hurt to complain altho I'm unsure if the developer will act on it.

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post Feb 26 2008, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(crazyconsumer @ Feb 26 2008, 09:08 AM)
To TS, maybe it's better to use post-it paper to show defects instead of masking tape. Because tearing off the tape, may cause paint damage or stains.
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Hi crazyconsumer,

Thanks for reading and posting a good suggestion... Are you performing a DLP inspection if you are do share your experience? hmm.gif

I did use post-it notes initially but those kept falling off sweat.gif esp. if used outside the house.

Anyway the developer still had to repaint the area after fixing any defects... I won't sign-off if they didn't nod.gif

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post Mar 13 2008, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(cheefai7 @ Mar 6 2008, 12:18 PM)
I am having the same problem with this one also for my double storey house. Do I really have to fork out money to fix this or can refer this to developer as a defect?
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My suggestion is put it down in your defect list and see if your developer will willing remedy hmm.gif

If they won't do it, demand a written explenation why?

After which if the developers reply is not to your satisfaction you could try using the stakeholders sum to rectify your erosion problem tongue.gif

Witholding Stakeholders Sum
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=423171&hl=

I don't guarantee any of these measures will work but do give it a try... any other forum members with better ideas or advice please help?? icon_question.gif

QUOTE(mamba @ Mar 12 2008, 07:33 PM)
wow!good thread! smile.gif
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Thanks mate...

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post Mar 17 2008, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(cheefai7 @ Mar 16 2008, 09:52 AM)
Har...you think i can do so? Cuz none of the other houses have such piping too. I can also demand for this kind of non-standard request?
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Honestly I don't know for sure, do try and let us know how the developer responds.

I've read some developers do heed their buyers grouses and attempt to fix such drainage problems... albeit in a half hearted manner shakehead.gif

See here http://www.realestate.net.my/forum/archive...-vp-1505_75.htm

Read the post "Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:17 pm"

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post May 30 2008, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(copwits @ May 30 2008, 03:30 PM)
That looks like a great idea. At least the developer would know where to search.

However I have some concern. Sorry if this sounds sorta pedantic, but would the masking tape leave any marks/residue once we or the contractor peel it off ? If yes, then we would have an extra cleaning work to do.. how leh? sad.gif Did you experience such markings after the repair is done ?

Btw, thanks for all your tips. It is very useful and informative. I am going to survey my own house soon and have prepared all the "ingredients" as you have mentioned. Hehe!
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Tiles are immune to masking tape... and I didn't have any problems peeling tape from painted surfaces.

The masking tape didn't leave any residue or paint flaking... maybe coz I choose the cheapo tape laugh.gif

Since the walls have cracks/damage the developer needs to remove the tape before starting repairs and repaint afterwards anyway.

Without any problems afterwards and the workman who did the repairs didn't complain.

If you're unsure about masking tape you could always try alternatives like PostIT notes for example. thumbup.gif

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post Jul 22 2008, 07:46 PM

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If the unit is under DLP write to the developer to fix it.

Otherwise report to the Management Company (MC) first and ask them to check for the source of the leak. If the source is from common property then it's the MC that needs to fix it.

But if the source of the leak is from the upstairs unit internal pipes (get black and white letter from the MC) then ask the owner of the offending unit fix nod.gif The cost of repairs is borne by the offending units owner.

Or if you're feeling generous you could offer to share 50:50 tongue.gif

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post Nov 3 2008, 10:25 AM

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Doesn't matter if the owner collects the keys now or 2 months later once the developer issues a letter informing to take vacant possession of the property the clock starts ticking.

There is a 14 days expiry from the notice for the owner to take VP or it's automatically deemed to have taken vacant possession.
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post Jan 2 2009, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Dec 8 2008, 09:53 PM)
Wow, this is really useful. I submitted my 1st defect list a couple of weeks ago, only 18 items as starter. So far the developer corrected only those needing plastering or coat of paint, everything else still not rectified. Now I'm creating my 2nd list and plan to use aaronpang's BKM this time round.
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Thank you and good luck with your new house thumbup.gif

QUOTE(princess_autumn87 @ Jan 1 2009, 11:07 PM)
Dear Aaron,

SALUTE!!! great job. But i wonder are those big developed area as in the big project of thousands houses developer will really do all such repairing for us?


Added on January 1, 2009, 11:09 pm

tx heaps... great article...  thumbup.gif
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Developers are legally bound to honour the DLP otherwise you can repair it yourself and deduct the repair cost from the stakeholders sum.

See Overdue Defect Notice & Witholding Stakeholder Sum, Sample Letters

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post Feb 2 2009, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(ajie @ Jan 21 2009, 11:02 AM)
Regarding locking the front and back gate after finish the joint inspection, does it means that the developer needs to call us every time they want to fix the defects? If yes, then why bother giving them our house key while we can open the house for them everytime they call us? Mr aaronpang, any comment?
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The passage is self explanatory.

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BTW if your unit is a house with gates bring along a few good padlocks (2 should suffice) so you can lock the front and back gate!

Also when you submit the defect list, the developer will ask you for a set of the house keys so the contractor can enter and fix the defects. I know most folks don't like to give away house keys but you can change the locks later and install metal grilles with additional padlocks.


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post Aug 12 2009, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(DE.si.MON @ Jul 25 2009, 08:24 PM)
Hi, Just wondering if the developer has the right to issues a letter informing to take vacant possession but they actually not even complete the whole unit.

No electrical plug points, No door knob, no basin, big hole on ceiling, and no etc (free items included - aircond, kitchen cabinet, ....).

Does that mean the clock start ticking when is not even completed. Where to file complain? Legal action?
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Usually when taking VP a rep from the developer will meet you at the house to go over the checklist of fixtures etc...

If any are missing complain on the spot and note it down as missing on the checklist.

At the same time you can also include the big holes etc... as a defect and get the developer to fix.

Free things, are those noted in your S&P?

QUOTE(samquah @ Aug 10 2009, 09:52 PM)
if ceiling not painted nicely, also considered defect?
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Defect...? Definately yes... make them replace or repaint the ceiling board to your satisfaction...
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post Aug 25 2009, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(Interrupt @ Aug 24 2009, 02:09 AM)
First of all, thanks to TS for useful sharing! It helps a lot, especially to me as a first time buyer.

Regarding hollow tiles, the site manager told me it is considered fine if the tile appear hollow at the corners. It's defect if any of the center part of the tile is hollow. He explained that a tile cannot be fully filled up with cement, or else it have no way for contraction when thermal changed which resulting the tiles to "explode". He says tiles should be 80% hollow. Is that true?

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How does the site manager know the particular tile your complains about is properly filled? If the tile in question sounds hollow compared to the surrounding tiles chances are its defective.

Tiles maybe properly filled but can sound hollow because it's become unstuck due to dirty surface or didn't use right grouting mix.

From my experience living in previously rented house bits of floor tile snapped off near the edges because they're hollow.

Exploding tiles sweat.gif Usually occur because tiles are packed too tightly rather than too much grouting. There is a small space between tiles to accommodate expansion. If the tiles are installed too closely they don’t have space to expand and contract with temperature changes thus exploding.

The other complaint is tenting when the tiles start poping up... sweat.gif

QUOTE(Interrupt @ Aug 24 2009, 02:09 AM)
Any tips on how to check for uneven tiles? Uneven means a tile appear higher or lower than its neighbor. I expect 2'x2' porcelain tiles should be leveled with each another, as if I slide a 10 cents coin across the tiles, the coin will be able to cross the tiles without feeling anything in between, but they are not for my case. Sometimes I need to lift the coin when next tile is too high.

Thanks in advance for your kind sharing! smile.gif
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I used a spirit level to check you can buy one for about RM15 or so..

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You can also use the spirit level to check if you have slanted walls... or crooked door frames.

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post Aug 27 2009, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(Interrupt @ Aug 26 2009, 03:43 PM)
Hi aaronpang,

Thanks again for your kind explanation!  rclxms.gif Below I have a few follow up questions:
Does this sort of tiles brings any side effect besides sounding hollow?
Sorry I don't really understand this one, would you mind to further elaborate?  tongue.gif
Thanks! Will get one of this today!

Again, thanks a lot for your time answering my questions smile.gif
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Hollow tiles could crack if they're floor tiles or fall off.

QUOTE(Interrupt @ Aug 26 2009, 03:43 PM)

Sorry I don't really understand this one, would you mind to further elaborate?  tongue.gif
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Tenting is when tiles bulge or pop out...

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post Aug 6 2010, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(skinny bear @ Jul 23 2010, 03:49 PM)
How about crack outside the house?
For example, i purchase a corner unit and if have crack outside the wall  will they repair it?
The unit is also a show unit with furniture, what will i look into? Is there any cons taking a show unit?
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If you have a standard S&P without any additional caveats, cracks on your outside wall should be covered by developer.

My suggestion is to read your S&P properly... tongue.gif
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post Feb 8 2011, 02:24 PM

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Long time never visit this page... sweat.gif

Transfer of DLP really depends on how the property is sold. This is not legal advice but I'll try to share.

1) Sold by assignment.
Property sold by assignment can continue to enjoy the remaining DLP because the original S&P is still valid. Layman term is tukar nama.
Sauce: HBA read page 8.
Consent charges
When there is no separate title (individual or strata) the developer shall not withhold its consent to any intended sub-sale, transfer or assignment by the buyer to any third party and shall endorse such consent within twenty (21) days from the date of receipt of such assignment. The buyer shall pay to the developer for giving the consent an administration fee of RM500 or 0.5% of the purchase price, whichever is the lower.

2) Sold by direct transfer.
After individual property title is issued and property registered to the original owner name. The new buyer cannot claim DLP because the original S&P lapses. Basically the new owner is considered to have purchased the property on "AS IS" basis. Similar to what "Arkadeuz" posted.

10. Vacant Posession
10.1 The parties hereto hereby agree, covenant and undertake that the Purchaser has prior to the execution of this agreement inspected and viewed the physical state and the condition of the said Property and the Purchaser is fully satisfied and accepts the same and and that the said Property is sold on "as is and where is" basis with the vacant possession
11. Condition And State Of The said Property
11.1 The said Property has been made available for the inspection of the Purchaser and the Purchaser has inspected the same prior to the execution of this Agreement. The Purchaser hereby declares acceptence of the state and condition of the said Property as the date of this agreement. The Vendor shall not be required and/or liable to carry any additional works whatsoever on the said Property.



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post Feb 14 2011, 05:41 PM

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S&P are legally binding and it clearly states sold as is.

Since you've signed it basically means you agree to the terms and conditions.

Please consult a lawyer if you any legal avenues to persue.



 

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