Well you have to define what is a Christian?

What is your understanding of it before we can answer yes or no.

Problem of generalization from non believers can lead to error in understanding.

ha?

Why are you so angry?

We're just trying to clarify...but if you feel offended, then nevermind lah.

Actually there is a need for clarification, I've personally met .. some people who claim to be Christian and yet is clueless to what it means, what it entails, what is to be believed correctly and live contradictory to errornous understanding.

For example, he thinks he need to perform good works to qualify to enter in Heaven.... Are these going to Heaven? To be Honest I don't know.

To me a Genuine Christian is one who believed in Jesus Christ as His Saviour, have made that confession, have a relationship with God and depends 100% in Faith in what God says.

Are these going to Heaven, I believe So.

The problem is that we cannot simply define Christianity as we like and deemed fit, no matter how nice it sounds from human philosophical understanding.

It has to be based on the word of God as the root basis.


What you're saying here has a bit of merit but not really accurate either.

Some of us here are in our 40's, 50's.

Don't mind me asking..How long have you been a Christian?

okaaayyy Chill brother.

I think I can understand where this is going.

Let me recollect my thoughts I will answer you later.

But in the mean time cool down.

Well I think dear sis,

the more suited verse for where God can use our weaknesses to his glory is

2 Corinthians 12:9 (NIV) - But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me.

Meaning, we need to acknowledge our weaknesses before the Lord all the time in order that his strength can come in. Weaknesses here is not our physical limitation like nick vujicic without hand or leg but Character wise!

But if we say we are strong, we can obey God.......then God will say: Go ahead on your own. And we see why we always end up stumble here and there without realizing why and end up feeling condemn.

We need to acknowledge we are weak all the time and just rest in God, trusting his power come without us being conscious about it!

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 30 2016, 12:16 PM

We believe the Bible is the word of God. The meaning of message came from God. Therefore the Bible must be the ROOT basis that defines Salvation, Christianity and the Gospel.
Otherwise anyone can simply create religion as they please. What you're doing right now validate... the meaning "Man creates Religion." We cannot have that. Because If Man creates religion, there is no security because all Men are sinners!

What you're saying here is also Universalism Religion, which is not what God says in the Bible. Contrary to what you believed about Christianity, Jesus did not come to make bad people good. He came to make dead people live! See, you don't understand it's not because being vitreous does not matter but it's because of your state of Sin.....even when you perform good dead, you are spiritually dead! People who are spiritually dead (in state of sin) are separated from God. People who are separated from God do not have eternal life.

It is only in the Name of Jesus Christ that one can be saved, there is no other Name under Heaven that Man can be saved from eternal condemnation. Not in your own good works or your effort or your name.
And God Himself validates this.

Acts 4:12 (NIV) - Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved."

That is validated through our Faith given freely by God's Grace!

And There is no other God as well.

Isaiah 44:6 (NIV) - "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.



No it is not. See you are talking about "fruits", Problem is... You cannot "force" or produce fruit. If you understand what is the meaning of fruit, it doesn't come from you, not of your own produce or strength.

So how can you use that as qualification to enter in Heaven?

It still comes from God and God even emphasize Good works ...meaning all your virtuous effort cannot bring you to Heaven.

Ephesians 2:8 (NIV) - For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God

Acts 15:11 (NIV) - On the contrary, we believe it is through the grace of the Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are."

Romans 3:24 (NIV) - and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

Romans 9:16 (NIV) - So then, it does not depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.

And many times in the Bible, God says you will be saved when you put your Faith in Christ.


Romans 10:9 (NIV) - If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Romans 10:10 (NIV) - For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved.

John 3:16 (NIV) - For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.


Not good works or you being virtuous will save you.

This is the word of the Lord God Almighty!

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 30 2016, 01:02 PM

That's why your Faith in Christ can redeem you.

God made this way so that everyone has a chance.

In this forum, we are only sharing information. There is only so much we can do. Truth to be told, If a person is resistance to scripture, you should know that the core root...he is not resistance to us, It's something else.

Actually I can't save his soul, you got that part wrong. Only God can. And God's word = God Himself. Hence we cannot shy away from quoting scripture. Else He would not know where I base my statements from. And people may say.....I just make that up (as he is claiming now). As it is, those are God's word.

John 14:6 means God only recognize Jesus as the only way to God.

Only in Jesus is found Life and Truth.

If we say we can do good deeds as a way to God then Jesus is not the only way.

None taken.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 30 2016, 04:42 PM

Well you said no where in our religion state.............

The Bible is the basis and it's stated there clearly.


This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 30 2016, 04:48 PM

I think everyone can see clearly you are the one who came in here asking for "war"

That is your hypocrisy in trying to pin that title to others.

Nobody force you in the first place but you came in here If I guess it right..you actually came in here ready to explode on others.

This is a thread for Christians to fellowship not for you to come in here to test water then bash on everyone.

You want to argue...argue all you want in RWI.

Try it one more time I will report you to the Mods.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 30 2016, 04:49 PM

why lar?

We need more bro n sis communication.

Actually I do get you.

But you also probably forgotten this place is a sanctuary for Christians, it's more for our fellowship. It's a place for us to gather so that we are encouraged daily.

That is the ministry.

I cannot afford to have disharmony over people bashing everyone in here, it would drive everything apart.

????? Huh? Why in the world would I report you?

Sometime..I wish people would read the rule on page 1 and understand why this thread exist.

This place is not for you to bash Christians, it's for Christians to fellowship.

I really don't understand why.....suddenly the disharmony.

It's like "oh look here is where Christians gather, I'm going to bomb them for the pent up anger I've collected for 20 years" (example)

I really

Christians are human being too. The way that cyberdude threat us is uncalled for.

Common man. And to be fair to you, I acknowledge you were very courteous but pls don't be a batu api to help instigate people like that cyber dude.

And I appreciate your initial courtesy..hence I've never really say you are not welcome, you are welcome. But dun like that lah.

If Tina dun like you...I can layan you lah.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 31 2016, 12:11 AM

Erm sorry but I beg to differ on the interpretation part. And I'm willing to explain.

As for the reporting, I need to delete trolls or hate post because it's not healthy for the fellowship. We are here to build each other up, not tear each other down. My role is to stop that sort of demeaning posts from haters.

btw Gibbore

don't you think this cyberdude, sprouting vulgarity and aggression is hardly a trait of a Christian which he claims to be?

don't you find that odd? and yet he has the gumption to tell others off?

Well 2 things

Would have kick off dust from sandal

and

Matthew 7:6

but like I said, I can't have this continue, it is not healthy.

So have to delete such posts.

come dude, I make it easy for you, since I think you're kinda clueless as to what I'm asking of you.

Show me where in the Bible it says that

When a person Is virtuous in deed and efforts and follows the 10 commandments, he can enter into heaven and yet at the same time no need to be a christian.


I'm waiting for half an hour already.

Then what I said earlier confirms it.

You are promoting a universalism religion, not Christianity.

Sorry dude, but for us Christian, the Bible is the only and final authority that defines Christianity.

It's not one of the many guides..It's the ONLY Guide.

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Guys, bro & sis...I think we can put this case to rest.

This guy is not really a Christian. He doesn't know what he's talking about.

He's parading as one trying to confuse everyone.

Let's just ignore him.


ps: if you want me to delete his post, let me know. Wasted our time dealing with a troll here.