I am very sorry that christians have given a bad impression to you. I apologize on behalf of all of us.

I would also like to offer a possible explanation on why such reactions came about in the first place. This explanation is based on my own experiences which I am not proud of.

When I was much younger both in age and as a Christian I had  what was possibly a dream but it felt like a real life out of body experience.
I found myself lost in a pitch black place with no hope of getting out. Forever.

The fear and desolation I experienced was beyond what words can describe. I cried and screamed but nothing and no one could get me out.
It came to my mind that this is what it means to spend eternity without Christ.

I woke up crying and shivering and for days was unsettled.

As I reflect on that experience I realized I would not wish it on my worst enemy, much less my own friends and family.

That gave me a zeal to share Jesus with everyone.
In my zeal many angry words were uttered when the person who I shared with did not believe me. Words similar to what you may have heard.

On reflection. Those words like "you are going to hell if you don't believe "  and "why are you so stupid and stubborn?" would sound like a taunt to the listener, but let me assure you, it was a cry of anguish on the part of the speaker.

They were words of love expressed wrongly because of the fear I felt for the listener if they did not believed.

I drove my own brother away with those words and it took many many years to repair our relationship.

Was I wrong in saying those words ? Most certainly.
I was immature and emotional and though I cared, I did not express my love in the correct manner.

Over the years I have toned down my words and I now know that God in Him mercy has a time for everyone to encounter Him personally to make a decision.

I find that most people who are young or healthy or well off find no use for Jesus and are not ready to make a decision for Him.
But there will come a time when they will be ready and then they will remember what was shared to them earlier.

I hope my post here will shed some light on why some Christians speak and act like they do and I also hope you will forgive the hurt they have cause you.

Peace be with you.

This.

Being rude in a is usually a sign that you have given up on the debate/ discussion.

Although the TS does generally set the tone for the entire thread, he/ she is not unchallengable. If anyone has any objection about post deletions performed by the TS it's better to have the moderating team weigh in before blowing it out of proportion.

As an atheist I don't really give a rat's ass about the concept of life after death. So instead I have a question for you all:

"I know that in your eyes I'm destined for hell, but would you still treat me like a normal dignified human being?"

Telling people that they're going to hell is usually a derogatory remark. But like I said before I don't really care at all. ‾¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Did not respect you from the start?

Here is the trail as evidence, that you started this.

Let see who outlast who? Such irony.

You came in here...nobody force you.

Then you throw a challenge ..who out last who?

Do you see what is wrong? I think you're heading towards from having short temper to psycho.

Okay. I actually agree with a lot of things you said here. Perhaps the heated conversation arise from actual misunderstanding.

I agree that going to church alone does not guarantee salvation. And of course Christianity is more than going to church - i.e. it's the true relationship with God.

And I believe when people say being a "Christian", it does not mean being a church goer, but a belief that Jesus is the true God who will give salvation if we believe and depend on him - and I also think there is some misunderstanding on the term "Christian" from the way I see the conversation between you and UW.

I too hate it when people judge me just because I did not go to church once or twice due to personal reason. In deep I believe that's not what determines my salvation; However at the same time, I believe having fellowship at Church is important as the bible does say so - so when I skip church, I understand there is a need in me to pray to God for more desire and passion to be in the fellowship.

Having said all that, Bible IS a very important tool to guide the Christian life. And I believe, as you used the term "supreme" - I would take the bible as the "highest" authority to guide the Christian life - i.e. any other source which contradicts the bible, the bible should prevail, that should be the bottom line.

You started with a question then you blasted on the 5th response before I even responded, so that means you started this aggression.

That is kinda retard.

not us.

no no no don't change the topic, from that trail it's proven you started the aggression and provoking.

no need to divert the attention to hide this.

NOPE, the trail is there as evidence, no need to go into denial.

And what you say here...I rest my case.

Bro I appreciate your appreciation towards my response. But I do think you have to stop attacking UW - it's a misunderstanding/miscommunication that's all I see it.

I respect UW for his leadership in leading this Christianity thread; not everyone would devote so much time to do this as ministry for God. I also believe he is a true and faithful Christian and servant for God.

So just stop using "attacking/rude" words and communicate nicely will you?

I initially delete to stop the fight but since you insist you want war, I'll let it remain and let people see what is going on.

First of all, he doesn't message other members for help at all, they did it on their own free will so am I, I may sometime not agreed on UW views of certain part of Christianity but I don't go into long debate, i respect him as he has his own view i have my own view, same goes with you. so stop attacking him and move on, also please stop being judgmental on him. It's very rude

NOPE, I didn't judge you. Show me which post# no. go on.

Give me the post#no. Go on.

No problem. I cannot just watch a faithful servant of God be attacked injusticely and not do anything.

Based on Scripture I believe that only people who believe that Jesus died for our sins can go to heaven.

Naturally this can include people who are officially Christians and people who are officially not Christians, it can also exclude people who are officially Christians.

That is not judging you. That is presuming you to be a non believer because of the way you posted..... blaming Christians.

If you claim to be a christian, then when you say "That's the problem with Christians", don't you know you are blaming yourself as well?

Hence you cannot blame anyone if we deducted that you're non believer.

Next time post like this:

I'm a Christian too but I also blame other Christians....
That would not lead to wrong assumption about you.

It's the way you posted, that got people misunderstanding you.

Besides, if you are a Christian, you should really know Salvation is by Grace of God meaning it cannot be earned by performance given to you through your Faith in Jesus Christ.

So when you say things like People can attain Salvation by their virtuous life and by obeying the 10 commandments...you cannot blame people to assume that you're a non believer..because every Christians should know this basic doctrine.

What you subscribe to is an error. There is no such doctrine under the New Covenant.

Depends how you define Christian. Member of an official church? If so which church? Catholic? NECF? AOG? If AOG, did someone read out all 16 official principles for him/her to agree? is s/he denied a place in heaven because s/he disagrees/was unaware of 1 of the principles?  Is s/he a cultist maybe? Or is the person officially a member of religion-which-dominant-in-many-ASEAN-countries-which-I'm-not-going-to-mention, but still believes He died for us and is the Son of God?

At this point in my faith I believe this is all that is needed for basic salvation.

What do you believe? How do you define a Christian? And why is this important to you?

If you notice who's been commenting on this thread, you'll know this thread is under close scrutiny by a bunch of atheist trolls. You come in firing questions and holding a possibly controversial view like this, you looked even to me as if you were one of them. As it is your fight with UW has indeed drawn the scumbags in.

unknown warrior and I don't share the same view on many things, but he is the Thread Starter and does us all a service administrating this little sanctuary in LYN. 1 way or another he is vaguely some kind of leader and knowing what that means for Christians, for that he ought to receive some due benefit of the doubt, even if not respect exactly. Do try to be nice to him.

Meanwhile in the interests of peace I do ask that you consider shelving the fight with UW or at least taking it to PM. Something that I think, unknown warrior, you should have done long before this.

YOU just listen to yourself.

When more than one /k disagree with your view but shared some of their opinions, it become a conspiracy theory, your mind go on overdrive and you out smart yourself, its a dupe, a bogeyman, monster under the bed, this ONE guy must have created several account to discredit me.

Like I said, YOU AND YOUR EGO.