he never abandoned us even we ran away from him. I'm a good example for this, lucky I made my choice not running away anymore. UW witnessed this with me if he remember. 

what happened to him? 

A good bible commentary tools. I prefer NIV translations over KJV and NKJV. Who the heck understands KJV man?!

So basically on 'that day'.... many people will try to tipu God like how they tipu other people? That's actually very realistic.

One might as well learn either Hebrew or Greek. 

Doesnt matter. Keep going. Would be interesting to know more.

I agree that The Bible should be accessible to all the nations of Earth. However, surely there's a reason why God decided that The Bible is better learned in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic?

Don't you think that the translations is least of the concern? Biblical exegesis is the primary concern for one to study Christianity.

To find out what the author actually want to present. Eventhough the Bible translations in English is superb but you have to realize that not everything can be translated 100% in English. Having extra knowledge in Hebrew and Greek does help to understand The Bible in term of depth and clarity of the author's intended message.

Well that's just my opinion.

Isn't the whole point of Christian fellowship is to share info, discuss and glorify God?

What's with the personal attacks? 

Sure we have cultural differences and misunderstandings now and then (all is forgiven though) but guys this is getting ridiculous. Seriously.

Ah, he tag me. Didnt get to see what he wrote. o well and he has a dupe......

The pic is where we see eye to eye. Good on you.  

Though i would like to know what he wrote. haha. too slow i guess.

It is good if one can read the Bible in the original text such as Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic but is still insufficient.

Bible is NOT in English, it is IN Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic. You are probably using a modern English Greek dictionary to come up with that word, which is NOT correct. The NT is in Koine Greek.

Merely using the online translation tools give you some helps but do not give you the full picture.  You need to understand the culture and historical background and/or master the language to really know the choice of words or be able to interpret.  You cannot use half truth to preach or share half truth as the gospel truth.

I would like to use Matthew 19:5 (KJV): "And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?" as an example as I just completed my paper on this topic.

This is what biblehub.com came up:

proskollaó: to glue to, fig. to cleave to
Original Word: προσκολλάω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: proskollaó
Phonetic Spelling: (pros-kol-lah'-o)
Short Definition: I join closely, cleave to
Definition: (lit: I glue one thing to another), I join (unite) closely, cleave (to), follow as an adherent.

The word cleave means to "cling" or  or "Keep close".  While retaining the idea of physical proximity, it is used in the OT as a figure of loyalty and affection.  The word is used by Joshua of a military alliance (Joshua 23:12), by Ruth of her commitment to Naomi (Ruth 1:14) and of the men of Judah who remained faithful to David during Sheba's rebellion (2 Samuell 20:2).  The noun form of the word is used of joining metal by soldering (Isaiah 41:7).

The biblical concept of "cleaving" suggests the idea of being "superglued" together - bound inseparably by a commitment to a life-long relationship.  You or I might have used the word love in place of cleave.  God used a word which would be less affected by changes in feelings and emotions.  Cleaving includes love - agape - a sacrificial commitment patterned after Christ's own example of personal sacrifice.

I personally believe @TheAccountant has rightly pointed out certain issues especially knowing the original text i.e. Greek.

You also need to know the discovery of Dead Sea Scrolls in 1947.  You may want to explore more on this area.  Take a look of these links based on quick google:

http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/b...ad-sea-scrolls/
http://www.deadseascrolls.org.il/?locale=en_US
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsourc...ry/deadsea.html
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a023.html

Also, on Bible translation again:

https://carm.org/which-bible-version-is-best
https://carm.org/illustration-bible-text-ma...ariant-readings

@unknown warrior, if I don't remember wrongly, you had earlier said your church asked you to be a pastor?  If so, I strongly suggest you to attend seminary prior to take up the position.  As I have observed during my short participation in this particular thread, you certainly do not qualified to be a pastor yet. 

Feel free to exercise your authority by deleting this post and label as Troll if you feel threaten by what I wrote.

I don't have much time to spend on this forum as I have to attend classes every weekend and they are quite heavy loads.

I had earlier pointed out on prosperity gospels and urge you to take a step back, do more research on this area and pray over it.

NAH, i'm good. since when you got spidey sensor? trying to become siperwoman huh

I'm really depressed for last few months with work and also at home, tired back at home attending to my mother who is also depressed and suffering from parkinson disease

Perhaps, Ryannate is right that I do not know what I'm talking especially after those postings have been deleted.  But, for your information, I read them before you exercise your power.  I didn't want to comment based on knee jerk reaction, which would be my old style.  I rather wait for at least 1 day to think through before I provide comments for certain issues which warrant me doing so.

In any case, why amended two to three times and deleted the additions in your reply?  I read each of the amendments before this final version.  My comments hurts your ego/pride?  Personally, pride kills and God gave me dozens of lessons to mellow me down.  For this, I give you two verses and this will be the 2nd time I do so in your thread:

1.  James 1:19
2.  Proverbs 16:18-19

By the way, I got to apologize to you that I didn't know you agreed with yeeck in worshiping Mary.  You can take it as I'm hypocrite for "attacking" Mary Worshiping and others.  I think you are also "hypocrite" like me.  You had earlier in this thread claimed you do not bother reading the postings there but, in actual fact, you and yeeck both diligently reading each other's thread and quickly provide comments / counters in each own thread.  And, I'm the hypocrite to point out worshiping Mary and the Catholic rituals, doctrines and etc errors.

I will give credit to yeeck for not deleting any postings except postings related to Freemasonary, which he is not able to defend.  Right @tinarhian?  He has been consistent in defending his belief through brainwashed Catholic teachings.  And, again, credit is given to Catholic for having systematic apologetic training.  You took the easy way out.  (Uncle yeeck, please tied yourself to a table or chair.  Don't fly too high. )

Also, for someone who has been "Christian" for years and claimed now all of sudden doesn't believe anymore and using other religions to compare with what he "had" believed for years.  A few here such as pehkay have attempted to show him the way but he continued going in circle.  I find this is either absurd or just trouble maker (bear in mind it is a new nick just for this thread), especially he has been able to quote Bible verses.  I believe you have also seen my comments in the other thread on this nick.  Frankly speaking, I can be cruel and said (based on bible teaching) he is blasphemy or may be he doesn't really know the Lord all these years.  You or he can take it as we are stepping on him or condemned him.  It is up to you guys.

Heed my advice.  Ask your pastors to recommend you to a seminary college.  Calvary Church is a Pentecostal church.  I think Bible College of Malaysia is affiliated to Assemblies of God, which is also Pentecostal church. I think BCM is in PJ.  The other may be Malaysia Theological Seminary, which is a bit far in Seremban.  If you don't mind, there are other seminary colleges that are non-Pentecostal in Kuang, Gombak District.

For those who like to see more active discussions, disagreements and/or learning from different denominations theology/doctrines, you can go to ChristianForums.com or CARM.org.

Well Jesus did said that he came for the sinners and not the righteous. LEL.

1 Timothy 1:12-16

I think ALL of us are flawed that's why we are seeking God in the first place. Its not a race about who goes to Heaven first. LEL.

This ain't Amazing Race.

They are many try to act of God including Christian. We as Christian should encourage each other but whenif it's different from our own view point, and whenif some do find its meaningless or going no where of d discussion or out of track, just simply reply with a smile.

Everyone have their own gifts and calling, we don't query but encourage if they share with us. Don't be a pastor if you think you are capable to be one without calling, because it's based on your mind tell you to.