I think we need to be open to accept that prosperity is part of the Salvation package. The purpose of God's prosperity is to deliver you out from the place of Lack. And part of it is to equip you to dispense finance to the Church for the work of God's ministry.

When this is preach we can accept it as part of good which is edifying, don't have evil thoughts towards it.

Problem that still exist in the body of Christ, some Christians react negatively whenever the word prosperity is mentioned. I don't understand the Holier than thou response towards it. Sometime we act Holier than God when God is the one who wants to prosper us.


I think as a start just be friends with our new guest first. Unless he's willing to be open, it's rather an unproductive venture to barrage with more christian talks. We all can chip in our life testimony when he's more comfortable. Everyone is welcome.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jul 4 2016, 02:11 PM

Actually that was meant to cause some thinking. Sometime I purposely write like that to provoke some thoughts and opinions.

To prosper means to Thrive. The opposite of thriving is to be stagnant in life..meaning nothing is happening, the Bible use the word..being barren or unfruitful.

In God's economy, prosperity isn't confined to money. It never was. It's more than that, there's the spiritual aspect as well as the natural aspect.

Salvation is not just about eternal life. It is a mouthful of meaning.

Prosperity is one the result of Salvation. It's supported by scripture.

No I will not delete your post, we all come from different background and level of understanding, we can learn from each other.

The only post I will delete are the trolling ones....like that megatron dude, chatwarrior or our Einstein fella who's gone missing.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jul 4 2016, 09:51 PM

When it comes to dispensing His blessings, God will respect the level of your faith and meet you where you can believe.

This was demonstrated in Matthew 8:13 & Matthew 9:29.

It's never about being poor or rich but to be delivered from the position of stagnancy or Lack. I believe That is God's economy in defining providence prosperity.

Remember Psalms?

The Lord is my shepherd? I shall not...?

I shall not....?

If you meditate slowly on Psalms 23, you'll find prosperity, success and healing in there.

But this only comes by revelation and valid only for believers.

All the best.

And do you think God is only interested in that above all else? No, God is interested in every aspect of your life, even financial.

And God Blessed Abraham and Job so richly, they didn't become corrupt. They are called Man of God, despite being Richer Financially than you are or anyone in here combined.

There are a lot of wrong understanding within the Christian circle when it comes to the matter of prosperity and money.

I've seen it time and time again, syiok is not the first to tell me, Jesus is born poor and He die poor. But that is not the right view.

Sometimes I feel like taking up this subject and push it through until it causes uneasiness but it gets you to start thinking whether we are adhering to scripture or really adhering to our self righteous standards when it come to money.

I know it's a very sensitive subject, I also know I will be stepping on some toes but Please Dear Believers (speaking to everyone reading), have patience, this is for your growth.


This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jul 5 2016, 09:06 AM

I'm of the opinion, in order for a Christian to engage a victorious life, he/she need to embrace Salvation in its complete sense, from every aspect.

the word Salvation in the Greek is sótéria which means "Deliverance" And it is a mouthful of definition;

Protection, Providence, Healing, Wholeness, Preservation, etc.

Even prosperity is included.

Thayer a Greek Scholar define Salvation as "deliverance from the molestation of enemies".


It is not just eternal life as most Christian understands it.

When Jesus said "I've come to give you life and life more abundantly", the Lord is talking about the Life that's been delivered from the curse of the system of this world. A Life that's well taken care of by God himself as the Shepherd.

But Why is it, there are Christians who don't experience this? Answer is because they've believe wrongly or never take in Salvation in its complete sense.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jul 5 2016, 03:43 PM

The only prosperity Gospel which I've seen is reverend Ike ministry.

For lack of better word, the world will just chop it as religion.


But really Christianity is all about relationship with God.

Jesus came to remove the religiosity of Man.

When He pronounced the 7 woes to the Pharisees.

Remember He said...you brood of snake.

Not that I know of.

What I know is, they all have 1 thing in common. All their form of Salvation, enlightenment, you name it.. depends on the work/effort of Man.

Christianity is one that's reverse, Salvation is the work of Christ and it's given unmerited (unearned) to Man via Faith.

Actually from Christian POV, Religion is define as something like ......The rituals of Man's effort in trying to reach to God.

Like they need to do this or do that as ritual to try to reach to God. Ritual means something done repetitively.


Jesus remove that away by dying on the cross to bring you close to God.

He paid for the price of your sin at the cross. He is the bridge to close the Gap between Man and God.


A lot of people don't know, the reason why they can't connect to God is because they have sin in their life.

And Sin separate Man from God.

You need to do something as a Christian but you don't need to do anything to receive Salvation.

As Christian we are called to spread the Gospel and to make disciples to all nations but those work does not qualify or disqualify us for Salvation.

Why do I get the feeling there are talks going on.....what's with me deleting post?

Kinda selfish to keep the Good News of Salvation to ourselves.

Because God wants as many people as possible to be saved.

Forgive me.

Yup.

Matthew 18

12 “What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off? 13 And if he finds it, truly I tell you, he is happier about that one sheep than about the ninety-nine that did not wander off. 14 In the same way your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.

No.

*Christian means One who follows after Christ Jesus. (To define follow means relationship). If you believe In Jesus and believe in what He says (The word of God aka Bible) and confess that with your mouth (public confession), that makes you a Christian.



Salvation is given to you on the basis of your Faith in God, specifically Jesus Christ, what He has done for you.

We work because we have been commission by Jesus to spread the Good News. We don't work to qualify to be a Christian. We become a Christian because you believe in Christ and have a relationship with Him*

Hallo my old comrade.

Well we beg to differ.

Jesus Christ exist. Nobody could refute He did not exist in timeline and history of Man.

Even Historian (Non Christian) recorded the person of Christ and what he did, the incidents that happened in the past.

All the prophets were real people. The place, the archaeology findings etc.