Heart valve defect?! 

Wow! Show this to Simpledude and Spike. 

Sorry, its early morning here.

But there are pastors and preachers who are like that too, and the worse is they try to brainwash the congregation with their law based rules.

Well that's easier said than done. I think that's the same issue with kron ka as well. Its all about being bitter.

I'm bitter too when my church pastor always bring up my past sins. 

Some people like to live in the past. Hello?! I don't behaved like when I was still 16.

Well there are people whom I choose not to forgive too. 

Call it selective forgiveness, IDK. It's just unbearable sometimes. Eventually I did forgive them but it took me years!

I'm going to continue to sleep now. 

Staying in DUMC is not christian life. It has little to do with the people. Its the leadership propagating wrong doctrine. What's the difference? Already the congregation can't act as a blessing to others, because we can't even bless each other. People there are indoctrinated to think that serving is balancing your current account with God, to accumulate your richess in heaven. If that is true, then what Christ did on the cross for us is in vain. We still have to pay our "sin tax" by serving???? to reduce our balance sin account with God? Is that what the pastor is trying to say? No wonder nobody is feeling blessed at the church.

The church is so calculative, day by day, telling people you have to boost your "give" currency because you have been collecting to much "receive" currency.

Its a church with no love. I go to my gf's church, there's more caring, fellowship and more effort to tell the congregation to be better disciples. Not because of serving, but because the pastor cares about his congregation.

I am not going to my gf church, because of my personal reasons I cannot disclose here. But I am thinking of going to another church. Not a small one. A church that is not influence by the DUMC doctrine. I do want to serve, but I do not want to be exploited. I want to serve because I love Jesus and what he stands for. Not because I want to pay my sin tax. How can I go on serving at DUMC, if they keep on trying to guilt trip their congregation?? I don't feel the love there. I already have a few of my friends from DUMC left the church for New Creation Church. Some of them tell me that everytime they go to DUMC, they go back home, feeling guilty, remorse and low self esteem. Its because the pastor keep beating their brow, about how not enough they are doing.

I know of one guy, who serve the church, gave his all resources to the church. He serve every weekend at the church and its ministries. He gave away 50% of what he earned. And when he retired, he found out that he was close to bankrupt. He was desperate for job. He went to the pastor, and ask for help. And then the pastor did what? Come, come to altar call and pray. THen after that, forgot about him. WOW

Desperate he came to my friend to beg him for a job. My friend who is also attending DUMC became disgusted. He provided the old man a job, but when he heard this, he left the church for another.

Blessed CNY.

But as I said, I am stuck. I can't go to my gf church, because of some personal reason with some of the members there who are suspicious of me. Its something I did at her church 10 years ago. Its nothing big though.

So if I choose to leave DUMC, the members at her church will accuse me of being a church hopper. I am kind of tired and dragged at DUMC. CNY is already here, and my cg leader hasn't even bothered to organize a CNY fellowship dinner !!! To me, we just a group of strangers, that come on Friday meeting, to debate or argue about church policy during cg discussions.

No it has nothing to do with church policy.

Its because some girl I used to go out with is also attending the church my gf is attending. So apparently that girl confronted my gf about me, not sure what she said to my gf. The girl has some connections at the church, she knows some people there.

But my gf is not bucking, because I explained everything to her. I got the feeling that the girl is trying to say bad things about me to my gf. Come on, back then, was 10 years ago when I dated her, she told me that we weren't suitable, so I backed off. After 10 years, she still got bad wibes at me. Unbelievable.

So I want to have a spine, not want to go to another church, because I don't want to be accused as a church hopper.

Anyways, have a blessed CNY to you and hope u enjoy your holidays.

Zzzzzzzzz came back from CNY so tired

Hi... Curious here
Can father chase away evil spirit?

Happy and blessed CNY to you.

I think DUMC is not suitable for a lot of people. Its causing a lot of damage to people's lives. They are teaching people that you get blessed by serving. I believe Paul meant by blessing is that you get the self satisfaction of helping people, the happiness of being there for people. But DUMC teach its congregation, if you serve, you will become successful in your career, find relationships, marriage, have children you so long to, etc etc. Its just to exploit people because DUMC needs the manpower to run its ministries. Seriously, its too stretch thin.

That's why at DUMC, nobody cares about each other because everybody is working hard serving to increase their "treasures in heaven". I see no difference from the chinese praying to those Gods and ask them to be bless with monetary goods. This is just the same, because everybody is hunting for currency...everybody here step on each other, because they believe they have the right to, because they serve more than you. Nobody want to serve because the goodness of God, because they genuinely care for each other and people out there.

Every Sunday I hear the pastor say, be a blessing to everybody. Hey ! What about to each other???? So we just put on a fake face and be blessing to non christian but once they are saved, then we not bother about them? So fake.

That's why so many poor disillusion people there are single. I saw one guy who used to work full time for DUMC, he decided one day to resign and move to another church, although he never say anything about DUMC, but he look so relax and in his own skin, when he is with this other church.

Hi sorry to interrupt.

May I ask, how are you so sure that the verses you pointed out only refer to "tangible blessings" ?

Interesting. I never really had deep thought on "tangible blessings", which is something I will want to find out more in the future from scripture.

But is there absolutely no "spiritual/intangible" blessing (ie: happiness and satisfaction) at all for serving people?

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But when God says you will be rewarded. does he say you are rewarded on earth or your inheritance in heaven?

You see, what DUMC is trying to portray wrongly is, you will be rewarded in terms of your goals and dreams you want on this earth. If you want a wife, you serve, God will reward you. If you want a good career, you serve, God will reward you. If you want to be a doctor (your dream job aspiration), you serve, God will reward you. If you want to peace in your fighting family, serve (God will reward you), if you want peace in your office, solve all your problems, serve (God will reward you).

Sounds like DUMC is trying to exploit its followers. Its into so many ministries, it needs all the man power possible, so they are trying to mobilise everyone. To them serving is actually participating into ministries ! As you said, serving is also serving one another. What about when a cg member parent is sick, we go pray and visit his/her parent ! But I don't see any of that??? When my father was terminally ill (my cg was no where near to be seen). My brother and I prayed for my father, he was miraclely healed through the surgeon hands. When I went for my water baptism, non of my cg members turn up !

And serving is only limited to participating in ministries??? huh? Not true. What about starting and managing your family. Isn't being a husband and father is a ministry in itself as well? Isn't that serving as well? DUMC seem to conveniently neglect this.

DUMC is right to say you are blessed when you serve, but they do not explicitly say you will be blessed with what you want, right? You be blessed in terms of maturity in christ, the self satisfaction, the internal spiritual growth, probably other material means which you may not request.

But DUMC tricks us into believing that God will give us what we want if you serve them 110%. If this is true, as i said, then why my auntie been serving so long, then she got "blessed" with stroke at the age of 50? And what about my cg member who serve, until he left his accounting profession to go into charity org for years, only to realize recently all the time he serve, did not reward him with a christian wife whom he yearn and pray for all along? He is 45 years old now.

Then there is another friend, he quit his full time job to work full time at church for 5 years. But did he come out matured? Nope. I found him a very offensive prima donna analistic friend to be with. Everytime I am out with him, I may accidentaly hit his "hot keys", he gets angry so easily. Then his gf left him because he was too dogmatic. Everytime they had an argument, he would quote the bible, to try to justify he was right, but he was neglecting his gf's feelings as he was acting like a bully. He is like that to everyone....at first he may resemble a good nice guy when you first meet him, but as you get to know him, he is like an analistic annoying guy that you don't want to get to know. So serving has reinforced his anal behaviour....so how ca that be a blessing?

He serve in nepali ministry, he serve in camp org, speeches, church admin work, etc etc...but non of that serving specifically bless him with improving his behaviour in handling people. DUMC lack bible study, lack courses for improving one's behaviour. How is  he blessed?

No more rashes but sill cough n attack by insect bite... Kampong hse... cant avoid.. thks for asking

Lord Jesus Will Be Coming Soon , Amen

It was such hot weather today despite afternoon shower rain, it still hot at night now.........