Actually, what i meant was spiritual reality. The divine "spark"; the divine "electricity" in contact between you and God. The experience of regeneration [having receiving the divine life into you] and being born again.

Now I am not talking about teachings or doctrines which we can accumulated throughout the years. Furthermore, we can pray "Christian prayers" without touching God, meeting God or having His presence.

Please do not think that I am judging but I will be genuinely frank. The way you respond regarding the comparison of different religions, I am afraid [and I hope not] that you might not have any real divine contact with the indwelling One within you. Is there the "living water of life" flowing within you that supplies you? Is there joy in salvation? That 20 years means nothing,strictly speaking, if there is no contact of your being, your human spirit with the Divine Spirit.

For example, I met an elderly sister who is not educated and definitely cannot made a comparative study of religions. But she has no doubt or is not fazed by the outward things because she has experience the living Christ in her life. It is not that God answers her prayers or her needs but that she has touch the living God within. She is joyful that there is a Person living in her but she can't explain it. Or define it.

May the Lord graced you!













This post has been edited by pehkay: Jul 16 2016, 05:04 PM

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

There is satisfaction. You are satisfied, and you sense the satisfaction. Then following satisfaction you have the sense of strengthening. When you are taking sides with the spirit, you also have the sense of refreshment. The sense of being watered is another sense of life. A person who is setting his mind on the spirit also senses enlightenment and the anointing (1 John 2:20, 27). The sense of life is the sense of satisfaction, strengthening, refreshing, watering, enlightenment, and anointing. When you sense all these items deep within, that is the sense of life, and this sense proves that you are walking according to the spirit.

Also , there is peace. The peace mentioned in Romans 8:6 is not the peace in our outward circumstances but the peace within us. The sense of peace is firstly the sense of ease or comfort. Then following this there is harmony. There is no struggle or strife within. Rest, joy, and liberty are also included in the sense of peace. When we sense peace, we sense comfort, harmony, rest, joy, and liberty. These are the different aspects of the sense of peace.

Also, there is not words to describe it. It just a fact to me! You know you have touched God.

The opposite is the sense of death that is, you sense dissatisfaction and emptiness. Something within is also weakening you. Oldness, dryness, darkness, and depression are other aspects of the sense of death versus the sense of life. Strife, discord, discomfort, restlessness, pain, bondage, and grief are aspects of the sense of death versus the sense of peace. When you have all these kinds of feelings, then you know where you are—you are in death. Do not argue or reason. Even if what you are doing is good and “holy,” you must check with your inner feeling. Do you have the ease, harmony, rest, comfort, joy, or liberty?


.... I don't want to give you any more doctrines .... (you have too much already). Just be genuine, simple and drop even your Christian concepts and faced Him. Challenge Him.

This post has been edited by pehkay: Jul 16 2016, 06:23 PM

LOL you want suger-coated?

Exo. 4:21. Yes it is.


Why hard to swallow? Because it violates free will?

There is a difference between God's will [God's will is what He wishes to do and wants to do] and God's sovereignty. It can be God's will that we go through suffering for our perfecting. But it is definitely not God's will that men suffers etc.

But it is under God's sovereignty that it is allowed to happen. After all, His ways is above ours. We are also in the age of mystery when all things will remained hidden [until the next age]. God is also a God who hides Himself in this age. Also, there is a problem of sinful nature and Satan. There is more .... but this is beyond what we can go into....

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But regarding the difficult matter of the hardening of Pharaoh's heart: The argument concerning this is related to whether God hardened Pharaoh’s heart or Pharaoh hardened his own heart. Regarding the hardening of Pharaoh’s heart, Moses uses various expressions. In 4:21 God says, “I will harden his heart.” However, in 8:15 Moses says that Pharaoh “hardened his heart.” Furthermore, in 9:7 we are told that “the heart of Pharaoh was hardened,” and in 9:35 that “the heart of Pharaoh was hard.” On the one hand, 10:1 says that the Lord “hardened his heart,” but, on the other hand, in 10:20 we see that the Lord “made Pharaoh’s heart hard” (Heb.). According to the meaning of the Hebrew words used, Pharaoh’s heart became not only hard, but also stubborn and obstinate.

There is a mystery here that we limited human beings cannot penetrate or understand.

The Bible says clearly both that God hardened Pharaoh’s heart and that Pharaoh hardened his heart himself. The truth in the Bible is always two-fold.

Here we see God's sovereignty and man's free will. Instead of being contradictory, these two correspond. Pharaoh could not escape responsibility in this matter and place it all on God. He had his own free will.
The Bible firstly says that God hardened Pharaoh’s heart. But the Bible also says that Pharaoh hardened his heart. Pharaoh could not absolve himself of responsibility, and Moses could not boast of his deeds. In this way, God shut every mouth. Moses had no room to boast. Neither did Pharaoh have an excuse not to bear responsibility.

On the one hand, we must worship God for His sovereignty, but, on the other hand, we must fulfill our responsibility. God's sovereignty does not contradict our free will, and our free will does not contradict His sovereignty.

I think that we have accumulated a lot of concepts from our background in Christianity. For example, God saved us so we need to be a good man for His glory. God loves us to the uttermost that He won't allow trial and chastisement (since we already have enough from the old creation). That God will answer all prayers [please don't misunderstand - there are "prayers that are not prayers"] .... etc ....

The real problem is that perhaps ... we don't know God saved us for _____? What is His purpose?



The book of Exodus reveals the kind of people God can use in His economy for the fulfilment of His purpose. The central thought of Exodus is that Christ is the redemption, salvation, and supply of God’s people and the means for them to worship and serve God so that in Him they may be built up with God together for them and God to meet, communicate, and dwell mutually. Illustratively by type, at the end of Exodus, the tabernacle is erected to be God's dwelling place [the church]. Furthermore, there is also the need for an army to fight for God's interests on earth.

Moses was the first complete, qualified, and perfected servant of God in history. Noah was used by God to build the ark, but he was not the kind of servant Moses was. Not even Abraham, the father of faith, was perfected as a servant of God in the way Moses was. Because he was the first fully qualified servant of God in the Bible, Moses is the standard model of God's servant, and God's calling of him is the standard for His calling of all His servants. In principle, we all need to be called the way Moses was. So, God will perfect us just like Moses's experiences if we want to be useful vessel to Him.

Although God wanted to deliver the children of Israel out of bondage in Eqypt, He had to wait until Moses had been fully prepared. God is very patient. Even before Moses's birth, the children of Israel were suffering but God still waited > eighty years. It is easy to be patient if you do not have the strength or ability to do anything about the situation. In such a case, you have no choice except to wait. But for one who is capable and qualified, it is difficult to be patient. God was certainly able to deliver the children of Israel; His power was sufficient. Nevertheless, He waited patiently.

Sometimes we are exhausted by God's patience and complained e.g. How come you didn't answer our prayer? Don't you care? How long more? It will seems that there is no God in this universe. Even the psalmists ask such questions again and again and we are just the same.

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Acts 7:22 tells us that Moses was educated in all the wisdom of the Egyptians and was powerful in words and in works. He came out to work for God, to rescue God's people from the tyranny of Pharaoh.

Moses did something for God's people according to his own will (Acts 7:23-26). He was full of assurance that he could accomplish something, but he was carrying out his will, not God's will.

According to his own estimation, no doubt he thought he was qualified and ready to act on behalf of his people.

But

God purposely and sovereignly put Moses aside for forty years (Exo. 2:14-15; Acts 7:27-30).

God could not come in when Moses was a child or when he was still trusting in his natural strength and ability.

He must have been very disappointed and he must have lost all hope. Having lost hope, he became content to be a shepherd caring for the flock in the land of Midian. A man who had been educated in the royal palace was now forced to live as a shepherd in the wilderness. As the years went by, he lost everything—his confidence, his future, his interest, his goal. Eventually, Moses probably reached the point where he had no further thought that he was the one whom God would use to rescue the children of Israel from bondage in Egypt.

Exodus 2 shows us a natural Moses, a Moses with his natural strength and ability. That was purely, solely, wholly, and absolutely Moses without God. Then after chapter three we can see another kind of Moses, a Moses that was fully dealt with by God. After chapter three, God was in Moses and whatever Moses did in his acts and move was full of God, having the divine element.

At the age of eighty, in the eyes of God Moses was fully prepared and qualified, and at the precise time He came to him.

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One more example in the New Testament: Peter

1) Peter was self-confident in his natural strength and ability even to the point of thinking that he would follow the Lord both to prison and to death (Luke 22:33).

2) Peter was tested and he denied the Lord three times, even before a little maid (John 18:15-18, 25-27).

3) Peter was absolutely defeated and became a complete failure (Matt. 26:69-75). He did have a heart to love the Lord, but he was too confident in his own strength, his natural strength. His love for the Lord was precious, but his natural strength had to be denied and dealt with. The Lord allowed Peter to fail utterly in denying the Lord to His face three times, so that his natural strength and self-confidence could be dealt with.

4) Through his failure, Peter learned to serve the brothers by faith in the Lord and with humility (Luke 22:32; 1 Pet. 5:5-6). Peter was really broken and was turned from the natural ability to something in resurrection.

Our natural strength and ability must be dealt with and put on the cross. Then they will be in resurrection and full of the divine element. Then whatever we do in the church service will be a ministry of the divine element to others. If our natural strength and ability are not dealt with, we will minister something natural to people by our church service.

How is this for a perspective?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Yeah it could be. Just like the case of Jonah and Ninevah. Jehovah's turning from doing evil to Nineveh displeased Jonah greatly, and Jonah prayed to Jehovah in his anger (4:1-4). Jonah said, “Ah, Jehovah, was this not what I said when I was still in my land? Therefore I anticipated it by fleeing to Tarshish, for I know that You are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and great in lovingkindness and repentant of evil” (v. 2). Jonah could not tolerate the fact that, after charging him to preach that the city of Nineveh would be overthrown, God changed His mind. Jonah could not go along with God in this, but was actually angry with God because of it.

It is really a Schrodinger's black box ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Change implies time. Since God is timeless, I don't even know what it meant to change His mind [Some speculate that the timeless God changing His mind is just a perspective of limited man when writing that passage]. Of course, if He "changes His mind" outside time, the scenario will still be valid. I am no God so we can speculate

But the illustration do negatively show certain principles and we can sometimes see it happen experiencially in believers:

If they allow something negative to develop toward the Lord, it can become serious. God may not change this result. Rather, He may allow it to continue, just as He did not show mercy to Pharaoh, but let him stand by himself in order to show forth His power in him (Rom. 9:17).

Once you harden your heart, your heart will become hard and remain hard. This is on your side.

This warns us to take heed lest any negative thing arise within us. Once this negative thing produces a particular result, that result will remain. It may be that not even God Himself will change it. He may allow it to remain as it is.

I believe Moses used various expressions to describe the hardening of Pharaoh's heart so that we might learn to humble ourselves before God’s sovereignty, to take up our responsibility, and to guard ourselves from allowing negative things to develop toward God. Once these things develop, it is very difficult to change the result they cause. Instead, the condition remains and may even worsen.

Throughout the years, I have seen many cases of those who allowed negative things to develop. At first, there were two choices in front of them, and it was still possible for them to change their direction. But once they made the negative choice, there was no turning back. From that time onward, there was no change of the condition or the consequence resulting from their choice.

I guess we have to be careful of any negative elements rising up and never regard such a thing as insignificant. Do not say to yourself that you will do a certain thing and change later. You may desire to change, but the result of your choice may not allow you to change. Furthermore, God may not have the intention to change such a negative situation.

Whoah ... those are not easy to understand naturally. I too had those questions until someone with the experiences helped me and realised how true it is (experiencially in type and in picture). We should not approach it with our natural thoughts.

When the Lord Jesus sent out His disciples, He sent them out two by two (Luke 10:1). This is the principle of two as a testimony. In other words, to be alone is to be individualistic, but to be sent with another is to be sent according to the principle of the Body.

God did not simply inform Moses that he needed Aaron to match him. With careful reading, we will noticed that it is already in God's heart.



Apparently this anger **looks** unpleasant; actually it was sweet. It is like a husband being angry with his wife. Sometimes a man is angry with his wife, but his expression of anger is sweet and pleasant.
God was hoping that Moses would realize that he has a need for someone who can match him. Although the Lord was ready to do this, He did not point this out to Moses until he himself became conscious of his need. God may be willing to do a certain thing for us, but He often will not do anything until we realise our need.

And that match was not an easy one too . This is our experience sometimes in the churchlife. Under God's sovereignty, we are matched with someone who most of time pleasant but at least part of the time it will be unpleasant. But this unpleasantness is our protection, our restriction. In the New Testament, there is a principal that we should not behave individualistically. Rather, we should move and act according to the principle of corporateness, always having at least one other member to match us.

The unpleasantness can be seen in Numbers 12. Moses's mistake in marrying the Ethiopian woman gave Miriam and Aaron the opportunity to speak against him. Their speaking here was not accidental; rather, it was an expression of what was already within them. Numbers 12:3 says that "Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth." Miriam and Aaron helped Moses to become so humble. Nevertheless, no matter how much of a help Miriam and Aaron were to Moses, God did not tolerate their speaking against him.

Paul's introduction to most of his letters have this principle or reality. He is always matched with someone. With Timothy, with Barnabas, even with an unknown, Sosthenes. He lived this principle well.

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With Zipporah's .... this is another unique one and it can only be understood according to Christian experience. The male help is matching, but the female help is cutting. Everyone called of God needs both the male help and the female help, both the matching and the cutting.

Zipporah may be surprised why God who called and sent Moses was now seeking to kill him. I believe that Moses realized the problem that his younger son had not been circumcised. As a Gentile wife, Zipporah may have been unhappy when Moses circumcised the first son. This may have caused her to oppose the circumcision of the second son. Due to Moses' weakness and negligence plus Zipporah's opposition, the Lord's requirement had not been fulfilled; therefore, the Lord sought to kill Moses. It was not easy for Zipporah, a Gentile woman, to comply and she was not happy about it.

Experientially, we can see there are times when even Christian wives are "Gentiles" to their husbands. If the husband does not love the Lord or desire to go on with the Lord, the wife may not be a "Gentile." But as soon as he begins to love the Lord, to go the Lord's way, and to live for the Lord, the wife is exposed as being a "Gentile". When a certain brother is in the world, with no concern for the Lord’s interests, his wife may not give him any trouble as far as the Lord is concerned. But as soon as he begins to live for the Lord, his wife behaves like Zipporah. Or vice versa - husband's opposition to the wife.

Also, in principle, it doesn't have to be husband and wife as an example, Paul the Apostle had many others who coordinate with him. And surely, he was cut by others [e.g. Barnabas etc.].

From the New Testament's light [not a literal circumcision ], the matter of circumcision involves a crucial principle in God's economy. Without circumcision [the termination of the flesh], it is impossible to participate in the covenant God made with Abraham regarding the inheritance of the good land. Furthermore, an uncircumcised person can have no part in God's ministry. The meaning of God coming in to kill Moses was that an uncircumcised situation would cause him to be finished in the ministry of God.

Aaron's help, the matching, was objective, whereas Zipporah's help, the cutting, was subjective. Sometimes the Lord places us in an environment where we are cut by others, perhaps by our dear brothers in the Lord. At such a time, these brothers do not match us; they cut us. They may not fight against us, but even as they apparently agree with us, they function as cutters. We all need to be ready to receive this cutting.

God has prepared not only an Aaron for us, but, in His sovereignty, He also has prepared a Zipporah. There is no need for us to make any choices. God has the Aarons and the Zipporahs ready and waiting. Especially in the church life today there are both matching ones and cutting ones. To handle the matching ones is difficult, but to manage the cutting ones is more difficult because it makes us a "bloody husband."

After the matching with Aaron and the cutting by Zipporah, the calling of Moses was complete. He was ready to go to Egypt to carry out God's commission.

Hope that helps.

This post has been edited by pehkay: Jul 29 2016, 09:29 AM

How is things?

An aspect of the Person of God that we never consider


God is a consuming fire - Heb. 12:29; Deut. 4:24; 9:3.

As the burning One, God is holy; holiness is His nature, and whatever does not correspond with His holy nature He, as the consuming fire, will consume - Heb. 12:29. He is a consuming fire in His holiness and severity. Whatever does not correspond to His holy nature He, as the consuming fire, will consume. Thus He is severe, expressing His holiness in severity.

In Daniel 7:9-10 the Lord's throne was flames of fire, its wheels were a burning fire, and a stream of fire issued forth and came out from before Him; the fire here indicates that God is absolutely righteous and altogether holy.

The Lord Jesus came to cast fire on the earth—Luke 12:49-50. The release of the glory of Christ's divinity was to cast fire on the earth (John 12:24). This fire is the impulse of the spiritual life, an impulse that comes from the Lord's released divine life.

The seven Spirits of God are the seven lamps of fire burning before the throne; these lamps of fire are for the carrying out of God’s administration—Rev. 4:5.

The fire burning out of the midst of the thornbush was the Triune God, the God of resurrection—Exo. 3:2, 4, 6; Matt. 22:31-32.

Those who have a desire to serve God must know that God is a consuming fire that burns and energizes; when God comes to the earth, fire comes to the earth, 12:29; Luke 12:49. Through the thornbush and the fire, God showed Moses a type of mingling, and Moses realized that everything was of God and that nothing was of himself. It was as if God spoke to Moses, saying, “You are a thornbush. I am Jehovah, and as the flame of fire, I will burn you, but you will not be consumed. My glory and My power will be manifested through you. I will use your person, but I will not use your strength as the fuel of My fire. I will use you to lead the children of Israel out of Egypt and will deal with Pharaoh through you, but I will not use your strength. You are the thornbush, and I am the fire in the thornbush. I want you to cooperate with Me and be a vessel for Me to display My strength.” When God called Moses in this way, He showed Moses the matter of God being mingled with man.

Welcome bro!

Unfortunately yes and is very common in principle.... [not addressing the critics or attacks] ....

But it is not because God does not give us revelation (as He is ever ready to), rather, our natural concepts hinders us from receiving revelation.

For example, it so easy for us to listen to teachings about the cross and about "being broken"? Why is it easy? It is because these things have existed in our concepts for a long time, and as a result, we do not need revelation regarding them.

If you talk to monks and nuns about asceticism, they do not need any revelation and can understand immediately. If you speak to the Hindus about sufferings, they do not need revelation either. They immediately will have a clear understanding of self-mortification the moment you speak about it. When you speak to the followers of Confucius about seeking perfection in ethical pursuits or about character cultivation, you do not need to say too much to enable them to understand what you are saying because these things are already in them.

When we speak concerning real spiritual things, however, we really need revelation. Without revelation it is difficult for us to understand them, and we immediately deviate from their original meaning.

If someone were to cover me with a big piece of cloth, and if I were to stand in front of you, you would see only a tall heap and would wonder what it was. You will feel puzzled and kept guessing. If the sheet were removed, you would still need light to see what was there. To remove the sheet is to unveil, to reveal; however, if there is no light and it is still dark, one still cannot see. Moreover, even if there is light, one who is blind still will not be able to see. Revelation plus light and sight enable a person to see a view. This is a vision.

For example, Ephesians is altogether a book of revelation, but I can assure you that almost one hundred out of one hundred who read it do not see the revelations in it. What everyone sees is: Husbands, love your wives; wives, be subject to your husbands; children, honor your father and mother; and parents, do not provoke your children to anger. These items are just like flypaper. When you read them, you get stuck to them. Actually, people already teach these things even if they have not read about them. Yet regardless of how many times they read chapter one concerning the fullness of Christ, the unsearchable riches of Christ and the power of His resurrection, the divine dispensing of the Triune God, they cannot see it nor hear it. They don't even care

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Hi sister,

No. . Rather, you need to have a vision of God's love. A vision will "wrecked you". Otherwise, what you have is just a doctrine that God has immense love for His people.

Throughout the past twenty centuries, thousands of precious lives, heart treasures, high positions, and golden futures have been wasted upon the Lord Jesus (Matt. 26:7-8) To such lovers He is altogether lovely and worthy of their offering. What they have poured upon Him is not a waste, but a fragrant testimony of His sweetness. To love the Lord with our best requires a revelation concerning Him. Without a vision of His deep and far-reaching love, we will never touched the depth of His love. Spiritual reality is like this.

Addendum:


Revelation plus light and sight enable a person to see a view. This is a vision.

The word vision means something extraordinary, unusual, uncommon, and strange. It also means a scene or a scenery. It is a kind of special seeing. One sees because a scenery is there. Paul says he was not disobedient to the heavenly vision. Peter saw a vision to open the gate to the Gentiles.

In Greek, the word revelation means “unveiling,” which is the opening of a covering, a veil, so that people can see what is inside. Therefore, to reveal is to open a veil so that others can see.

Just as in Eph 1:17-18- we need revelation, and [spiritual] eyes to see, but we also need God's light / Spirit for the illumination of the things which are unveiled to us, that we may have a vision.

So, vision is rarely an outward, spectacular, supernatural thingy where a super bright light shines on you like Paul's experience [though in his special case]. Rather it is a inward seeing in our spirit mingled with the Holy Spirit.

Yet, vision turns doctrine into spiritual reality or TRUTH and changes a person's being, views, perspective, orientation etc. It is continuous and from one degree to another.

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My own little testimony, in the past, I like to do good deeds as a young Christian [lawfully]. It was a frustrating experiences as I was disappointed all the time. Until, one day, I saw a vision that I am just a vessel of God, a container to contain Him (Rom 9:21). That was a salvation! God unveiled that He doesn't want a good man or a instrument but a man to contain Him as our content. When we are filled with Him, the result is a life of high morality spontaneously and effortlessly. I just need to care to spend time to be filled with Him daily.

Hope that helps ..... it was a fast reply .... XD

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Welcome

"I delight in .... the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings" (Hosea 6:6).

THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS

In a sense, the Old Testament was called the law and the prophets (Matt. 7:12; 22:40). What is the difference between the two? The law is a set of fixed rules that cannot be changed.

For example, the law requires everyone to honor his parents (Exo. 20:12). This is a changeless rule, and everyone must keep it. There is no need to seek guidance from God concerning honoring one's parents; and this matter is fixed. Another rule is, "You shall not steal" (v. 15). This also is an established, fixed rule. There is no need to pray, "Lord, tell me whether or not it is Your mind for me to steal. Give me guidance about stealing." There is no need to seek such guidance. It does not altered or changed with individual regardless of age, gender, status, position etc.

The prophets, however, speak to the individual situation. Suppose someone came to Jeremiah, the prophet, and asked, "Is it all right for me to go to Jerusalem?" He may answered this time, "You may go." But another time he might say, "You may not go." The prophets give the living guidance of the Lord according to the different individual situations. The law is unchanging, but the word of the prophets may change many times depending on the situation of those involved. The guidance from the prophets is valid only for the occasion. The prophet, therefore, must be contacted continually.

THE INNER LAW OF LIFE AND THE ANOINTING

How about the reality in the New Testament? Is there then any law? Yes, but it is not the law of letters. In the New Testament there is only the law of life (Rom. 8:2). This is not an outward law but an inward law; it is not the law written on tablets of stone but the law written on the heart. The law of life replaces the law of letters. Similarly, the inner anointing succeeds the prophets.

For example, if I have my hair cut, should I seek the Lord's leading by praying, "Lord, show me if I should have my hair cut like a movie star"? There is no need to seek guidance in such matters. The inner law of life regulates me in such matters. Something deep within will regulate and check you. This is the inner regulating of the law of life. There is nothing in the thousand chapters of the Scriptures there on prohibiting stylish hair styles in the Bible. But there is an inner law regulating you from patterning yourself after the movie stars.

Again, suppose a brother is about to minister the word of the Lord. There is no need for him to ask, "Lord, should I wear cowboy pants?" If he proceeds to dress this way, the inner regulating law will check and prohibit him. This is a fixed principle of the law within him. Neither is there any need for him to seek guidance about cutting his hair like a cowboy.

But when and where to get his hair cut are a matter of the Lord's guidance. Therefore, he needs to pray, “Lord, is it Your will for me to get my hair cut today? Should I get it cut in the barbershop or in the home of a brother?” This is a matter not of the inner law but of the inner anointing. The anointing within is his indwelling Prophet, who gives him guidance. If he becomes careless and does not seek the guidance of the Prophet within, he may go hastily to a brother to get his hair cut and have some trouble. Because of his carelessness about the anointing within, he may suffer.

On the other hand, if you need to buy a certain item, you should seek the guidance of the inner anointing as to how much you should spend for it. You need to fellowship with the Lord, seeking His guidance through the inner anointing. No one else can tell you. If you brought the problem to me, I would say, "Don't ask me; ask the indwelling One within you. You know how much you should spend by the anointing within you." You may ask the Lord, "Lord, should I spend one hundred fifty dollars?" The inner anointing may say, "No." Eventually, the inner anointing may give you the freedom to spend only fifty dollars.

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Faith acquires what the law requires. –Augustine, Expositions of the Psalms 77.8

Nice quote from a friend

Not to be complicated .... XD .... but are you asking if all Christians believed that they go to heaven?

Well, I don't presume to generalise if all Christians do. And I might not be the best person to answer this since I believe there is no such thing as going to heaven [there is something better]. XD But I am a minority.

But in general [not about going to heaven but regarding salvation], most Christians believe that only no morality or religion in this world can save men from their sinful nature. Only, Jesus' death and resurrection has accomplished salvation and fulfils God's righteousness.

That is, God's gospel of grace can save men (Acts 4:12: And there is salvation in no other, for neither is there another name [the person of Christ] under heaven given among men in which we must be saved).

But there is some who have the attitude that we simply cannot second-guess or speculate on how God might deal with special cases.

Why not a theological response? Why yes or no?

What is your purpose in asking then, if I may ask? Is it to understand something?