Lol. Practice made perfect lar. Don't try to analyse so much or you will fall into self introspection. The goal is to enjoy the Lord in His anointing. He just want to "paint" you with more layers of divine "paint" XD

But to answer your question, the conscience only give a sense of right and wrong i.e. black and white. The work of the conscience is to testify to us whether we are right with God and men, and whether our deeds, thoughts, and words are according to God's will and not in rebellion against Christ.

It doesn't tell you what the Lord wants. That comes from your fellowship with Him. Perhaps He wants to touch your relationship with your children. This comes from the shinning of the light from the Lord and His Word.

So, it is just like an alarm;



Haha ... like I mention before, the truth has always 2 sides .... that's enough lar from me. This is just my fellowship [not where the thread is going]

Much grace bro!

This post has been edited by pehkay: Apr 18 2016, 05:33 PM

Hmmm .... I am not sure why you brought it up? .... Are you referring to eternal salvation debate with this?

There is always a problem with a theological framework or to systematize the truths in the Bible. Unfortunately, the truths in the Bible cannot be systematized like that.

Sorry for the late reply. Yeah, I am good. Just busy as always

CHRIST BECOMING THE LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT IN RESURRECTION TO BE LIFE TO US

Christ did not come only for redemption (John 1:29). In the same Gospel (John), verse 10 of chapter 10 is the word of Christ Himself: "I have come that they may have life and may have it abundantly." This was the further purpose of Christ's coming. The first chapter of this book tells us that in the beginning Christ was the very God (John 1:1), but He became flesh (John 1:14) to be the Lamb of God to redeem us. However, redemption is not the goal. It is only a procedure for the goal. The goal is that we may have life.

For this purpose, Christ took two steps. The first step was to become flesh so that He might be the Lamb of God for redemption, but since He could not be life to us simply as the Lamb of God in the flesh, there was the need of another step. After accomplishing redemption, He took the further step to become the Spirit who gives life (1 Cor. 15:45b; 2 Cor. 3:6, 17).

In eternity past Christ was God, and one day He became flesh, a man, to accomplish redemption. When He went to the cross in His flesh, He was not yet the life-giving Spirit. He was the Lamb of God with flesh to bear the sin of the world and to shed His blood for the cleansing of sin. There at the cross He died as a man in the flesh, accomplishing a full redemption for us sinners in order to solve all the problems between us and God. Because we were fallen, we needed to be redeemed, and because we had become dirty, we needed to be cleansed. This He accomplished by being the Lamb of God who died in the flesh on the cross. This is wonderful, but it is not the goal. It is only the process, the procedure, to reach the goal. The goal is to give us life (John 10:10).

How could Christ give us life and be life to us? It is by means of another step (John 14:16-20). After being crucified, He was laid in a tomb, and then He resurrected from the dead. In this resurrection He became something else. In His incarnation as God, He became flesh, but now in His resurrection as a man, He became the life-giving Spirit.



We should not only underline this passage but also highlight it and circle it. This verse is vital, living, and basic. It is of great importance, but it has been missed by most Christians today. The last Adam, who is Christ in the flesh as a man, became a life-giving Spirit. This is the Spirit who gives life. So, we have the two steps which Christ took, incarnation and resurrection.

Interesting question

Are you referring to way of meeting that has become an established rule that cannot be changed - regulations, rules, customs, habits, and practices?

THE MYSTERY OF CHRIST

Eph. 3:4-6; John 12:32; Luke 12:50-52

THE MYSTERY HIDDEN IN THE AGES

In Ephesians 3:4-6 Paul speaks of his understanding of the mystery of Christ. This mystery was not made known to the sons of men in other generations. The men of old did not know of the mystery that God spoke through Paul, which involves the Jews and Gentiles becoming one new man in Christ Jesus. This is the corporate Christ, which is the church. Verse 6 of chapter three is a precious verse. The words "fellow members" refer to the new man in Ephesians 2:15. The new man stands in contrast to the old man. There are many individual men in this world, but there is only one old man. In the same way, there are many Christians, but there is only one new man-the church.


ONE NEW MAN

In order to understand what the new man is, we must first understand what the old man is. The old man is the God-created man who fell through sin. Every person in Adam is not only a sinner before God, but also an old man. When such a sinner, the old man, hears the gospel and believes in Christ and is saved, he becomes a new man. Not only has he become a new man individually; he is joined to all other Christians to become one corporate new man as well. Ephesians 1 speaks of the church as the Body of Christ; chapter two speaks of the church as the new man; chapter three speaks of the mystery of Christ; chapter four speaks of the way to build up the Body of Christ; chapter five speaks of the responsibility of the church; and chapter six speaks of the warfare of the church. The peak of God's work is the church, which is the new man. God saves us so that we will become a new man in Christ.

A great lack among Christians today is that everyone wants to be an individual Christian. Everyone wants to be good and zealous; everyone wants to sit and listen to good sermons. In short, everyone wants to be a Christian in an individual way. But God does not just want us to be good on an individual basis. He is after a corporate vessel that will destroy Satan and accomplish His plan. God does not want to see Christians scattered like a pan of sand. He wants Christians to be joined together to become a corporate new man.

Wah ... you all want to open this "pandora's box" ah

Well, it will all come down to Sola scriptura.

Read that and one more [can't remember].

He is like a moderate voice tempering the common Islamic-phobic attitude.

1 Cor 1:2

2 To the chuch of God which is in Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, the called saints, with all those who call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ in every place, who is theirs and ours:

From the text itself and some background of the persons [Pharisees and scribes] who are asking:

Fasting meant two meanings to them. The first is fasting literally: in which they ate five days out of a week and did not eat the other two days [in contrastto the Lord's disciples who ate all 7 days]. The second meaning is they were religious in their background. They can boast that they achieve all that the flesh could achieve and had gained for themselves the name of godliness and service to God. They are like the Chinese ascetics who cultivate themselves by suffering. It is also like the vegetarians who uplifts vegetarianism. They achieved what men found hard to achieve.

So, the Lord's answer was also of two parts. The first part was according to the literal meaning of the word. The disciples did have to fast because the Lord Jesus was not yet "taken away" (Luke 5:35). After He was taken away, His disciples would have to fast. After He was rejected and crucified, the disciples would have to fast. This was the Lord's answer according to the literal meaning of the question on fasting.

In the second answer, the Lord used five parables to explain the reason [the new and the old cannot be mixed together]. The Pharisees thought that they ought to do good, have religious works, try their best to keep God's commandments, and please God. The Lord told them that the literal fasting could come to His disciples only after He had departed from them. But if fasting refers to good works, there should not be any fasting even after He has left the disciples. That kind of fasting would be useless even after the Lord left them. The Lord used these five parables to show the Pharisees that the things He brought in were completely incompatible with the ordinances and ceremonies of the law. The grace which He brought in was absolutely incompatible with the law. The five parables signify that the law and grace can never be mixed. If they are mixed together, the law will no longer be the law, and grace will no longer be grace.
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But the meaning of the second part is even much deeper and experiential to us:

The Lord Jesus was born in a religious nation where Judaism originated, but everything related to Him, including His birth, took place outside religion and had nothing to do with religion. This was not an accident or a coincidence; it was God's arrangement and ordination. Man likes religion, but God detests religion. From man's point of view, religion is better than sin, the world, and the flesh with its lusts, and religion renders a certain amount of help to communities and societies. From God's point of view, however, religion is deceitful, because it undermines God's work by causing man to reject the living God.

For example, we have "much feeling" when a young believer would go to a dance club or visit an improper place, but if he comes to the meeting with his Bible and sits in a well-behaved manner, we would praise him. It is easy to understand that a Christian should not be in a sinful place like a dance club, but few of us realize that it is also improper for a Christian to devoutly attend a meeting in a dead and formal way. We condemn the practice of going to a dance club, but we do not condemn the practice of coming to a meeting in a dead and formal way.

How many of us ever confessed to participating in a meeting in a dead and formal way? In God's eyes, death is no less defiling than sin.

The best example of human livingness is when we have children coming to visit. They are like a team of destroyers. In less than five minutes they will break or "destroy" everything in the living room. Do you prefer children who are sick or dead to those who are active, lively, and messy? In the same principle, when the saints are dead in their spirit, our meetings are quiet and orderly, but when we call “O Lord!” and are living, it is not possible to be orderly. This does not mean that we should not be orderly. However, sometimes when we are living, we will not be concerned about being orderly. Man cares for religion, but God cares for life. God does not want religion. He wants us to be living.

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So .......... ARE YOU IN LOVE WITH THE BRIDGEGROOM??

It is NOT a matter of fasting or feasting. It is a matter of having the Lord's presence. If fasting can bring you the Lord's person, then fast.

If the louder I am, the more I touch the Lord’s presence, touch Him as the Bridegroom, and touch His loveliness, sweetness, and freshness. If this is the case, I should always be loud.

If the more quiet am I, the more I have the Lord's presence and touch His freshness and His loveliness .... if this is the case, then I should be quiet.

The Lord did not give any reasons to John's disciples. He did not say, "You have formed a new religion, and in order to tear down your new religion, I do not want My disciples to fast.".

The Lord Jesus did not say this. The Lord Jesus said that He was with His disciples as the Bridegroom. If He as the Bridegroom wanted them to fast, they should fast, and if He wanted them to eat and drink, they should eat and drink. Likewise, if the Lord’s presence wants us to be loud, we should be loud. If we can touch the presence of the Bridegroom by being quiet, we should be quiet. If we cannot touch the Lord’s presence in our quietness, we should proclaim, “O Lord! Lord Jesus!” By calling on Him in this way, we will enjoy the presence of the Bridegroom.

Who are these people? Christians?

Are you a Christian?

Just so that we know how to respond or assist with the question?

This post has been edited by pehkay: Jul 6 2016, 04:47 PM

What are you trying to ask? If it is or is not? Then?

My dear brother, if it is not too much to share:

If you ask question like this, which I did in the past. That means we have already understood or practised the Christian life in a wrong way.

The is nothing hard or easy about it. The christian life is IMPOSSIBLE. Only God or Christ can lived it.

Paul said, "It is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me." This is the secret of Christian living. It is the Lord in you who is living the Christian life, not you living it by yourself. If you live the Christian life by yourself, endurance will be a suffering to you, as will love, humility, and bearing the cross. But if Christ lives in you, endurance will be a joy; so will love, humility, and bearing the cross.

You seem to be getting along fine with him

I am just a Christian [not denominational, interdenominational, or non-denominational].

LOL, actually that was a real answer. Seriously.

Ok ... maybe I better do away the smiley.

Whenever someone [a believer] ask me what church I went to? It's really hard to answer from his or her perspective. I usually say, "the same church you are part of".

Then, explain further with: we are just Christians meeting together as the church in a xxx (locality) e.g. Petaling Jaya. That means, if anyone of you or anyone (a genuine believer), whether, Pentecostals, Baptists, Calvinist etc, just as long as you are in Petaling Jaya, we will receive you as believers to meet with.

In our perspective, you are part of the "local" church in PJ, as long as you are in PJ.

And that in our seeing from the Bible, we should do away with the names and denominations and meet together in oneness.

So, .... the only "denomination" or "difference" to us is the locality or geographical boundary for practical purposes as revealed in the book of Acts. I don't want to meet with believers in KL if I stay in PJ ... it's not practical.

See if this outline helps you more.

You are right in that making an outline really helps in your understanding.



This post has been edited by pehkay: Jul 14 2016, 08:23 AM

Then, you have to experience Christ Himself. Firstly, you have to know that God is Spirit. And you have a human spirit; the deepest and the most genuine part of you.

Only the human spirit can contact God as the Spirit. Not your feelings, minds, outward environments, words etc. You need to exercise this part to receive Him into You.

Just open your being, and be genuine with Him. Don't pray religious prayer.

Tell Him, "Lord, show me that you are the genuine and living God!". "I want to touch You. I want to contact You. Be real to me. I want to receive You as life to me. I want You. Come into You". Cry "O Lord Jesus! I believe into You".