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post Jan 29 2016, 12:12 PM, updated 10y ago

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Assume monthly basic salary is RM4000
If your monthly EPF contribution is 11% ( RM440 ), taxable income = RM3560, income tax payable = RM77

If your monthly EPF contribution is 8% ( RM320 ), taxable income = RM3680, income tax payable = RM109

Conclusion : If you choose to contribute 8%, you will end up paying more income tax to the government, which will make the government richer.

Finance Minister Najib said this measure is meant to boost up the slow-down market, but from this example we see that the money does not go into the market.

Instead the money goes direct into the government's pocket through the greater amount of income tax that we will have to pay.

Obviously this measure does not help the market at all


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Anyone working in income tax capacity/ HR can confirm if the deductions above are right?


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post Jan 29 2016, 12:13 PM

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/k all no problem hit rm6k limit already
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Hmm...good point there
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QUOTE(wilsonjay @ Jan 29 2016, 12:13 PM)
Hmm...good point there
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Not sure if the income tax deductions are right though.

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post Jan 29 2016, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(Seager @ Jan 29 2016, 12:12 PM)
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Anyone working in income tax capacity/ HR can confirm if the deductions above are right?
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Only happen to those yearly EPF less than 6k

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3% put into EPF gov cannot collect GST

3% go spend Gov can collect GST
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QUOTE(wangpr @ Jan 29 2016, 12:15 PM)
Only happen to those yearly EPF less than 6k

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but even if exceed 6k, less EPF does automatically mean more taxable income
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post Jan 29 2016, 12:16 PM

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That's a lie. EPF contributions are taxed already. If EPF contributions were tax exempt, you would be calculating your income tax on your gross income minus EPF contributions. Like say a person makes 10k. If his EPF portion were tax exempted, you will only calculate tax on the 8.9k (under 11% contribution), not 10k.
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Money market hold up due to .....................

The money market become tight & ask u guys spend more to solve it.

everybody spend more -- > money turnaround faster for gst
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post Jan 29 2016, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(rcracer @ Jan 29 2016, 12:15 PM)
but even if exceed 6k, less EPF does automatically mean more taxable income
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True only for the first 11 month, but all will reconcile at December month..... So no effect at the end of december / or doing BE

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post Jan 29 2016, 12:19 PM

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If you mean PCB (Potongan Cukai Bulanan) calculation, it is actually quite complicated, even though you can refer to LHDN for sample calculation
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post Jan 29 2016, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(Havoc Knightmare @ Jan 29 2016, 12:16 PM)
That's a lie. EPF contributions are taxed already. If EPF contributions were tax exempt, you would be calculating your income tax on your gross income minus EPF contributions. Like say a person makes 10k. If his EPF portion were tax exempted, you will only calculate tax on the 8.9k (under 11% contribution), not 10k.
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post Jan 29 2016, 12:20 PM

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Good point. Kena tanya kat kawan aku at LHDN. Thanks Seager for raising this question. I love you.
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post Jan 29 2016, 12:21 PM

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post Jan 29 2016, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(shin2l @ Jan 29 2016, 12:19 PM)
If you mean PCB (Potongan Cukai Bulanan) calculation, it is actually quite complicated, even though you can refer to LHDN for sample calculation
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Deswai I asked, if anyone can confirm if the deductions are right laugh.gif
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post Jan 29 2016, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(mohdyakup @ Jan 29 2016, 12:20 PM)
Good point. Kena tanya kat kawan aku at LHDN. Thanks Seager for raising this question. I love you.
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post Jan 29 2016, 12:23 PM

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I long time alr hit the 6k mark. So 8%, 11% no affect me.
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post Jan 29 2016, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(Seager @ Jan 29 2016, 12:22 PM)
Deswai I asked, if anyone can confirm if the deductions are right laugh.gif
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I am pretty sure later some people will write in a blog or forum to analyze the pros and cons of having EPF deduction to 8%
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post Jan 29 2016, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(wangpr @ Jan 29 2016, 12:18 PM)
True only for the first 11 month, but all will reconcile at December month..... So no effect at the end of december / or doing BE

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QUOTE(Seager @ Jan 29 2016, 12:12 PM)
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Anyone working in income tax capacity/ HR can confirm if the deductions above are right?
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tax not gross salary ka?
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post Jan 29 2016, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(Seager @ Jan 29 2016, 12:12 PM)
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Anyone working in income tax capacity/ HR can confirm if the deductions above are right?
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EPF is taxed, unless you pay less than RM6,000 of EPF AND INSURANCE every year. which is unlikely for most people in Malaysia

that means, the 3% extra you get from EPF, will give you a tax saving on the EPF portion, however will be taxed back at your salary portion

total tax is the same.

example, me and my employer combined contribute 23% to EPF of basic salary. i get to keep 89% of my basic salary after excluding EPF

however, normally, this 23% of EPF will be fully taxed (except the first RM6k), and my 89% will be fully taxed (based on the schedule).

so when i get 3% saving, i will get 20%, which will be fully taxed (except the first RM6k), and i instead get 92% of basic salary, fully taxed.

total tax is on 89%+23% which is equal to tax on 92%+20% of salary. both subject to first RM6k being tax exempt on EPF/insurance

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i still wonder. after gst. why still no reduce income tax???
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post Jan 29 2016, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(shinkawa @ Jan 29 2016, 12:47 PM)
i still wonder. after gst. why still no reduce income tax???
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thats cuz you bloody dont pay tax.

for CY2015, my salary grew by 9%, and my after tax salary grew by 10%

This is due to the 1%-2% lower tax rates for all brackets, and higher brackets.
the only reason you dont "feel" income tax reduction, as you are climbing the brackets

ie: you earn more money, hence moving from 13% to 16% to 20% to 24% bracket. then your after tax salary will grow slower compared to your salary.

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QUOTE(mohdyakup @ Jan 29 2016, 12:20 PM)
Good point. Kena tanya kat kawan aku at LHDN. Thanks Seager for raising this question. I love you.
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QUOTE(shinkawa @ Jan 29 2016, 12:47 PM)
i still wonder. after gst. why still no reduce income tax???
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Because you don't pay tax.
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post Jan 29 2016, 12:57 PM

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But then again, I thought he also announced that there's a tax exemption of RM2,000 for Malaysians earning RM8,000 and below for financial year 2015?
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QUOTE(Seager @ Jan 29 2016, 12:22 PM)
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If your epf is less than 6k per year (rm500 per month), you will pay higher pcb.. But there is rm2000 special exemption for those salary 2k - 8k. Maybe compensate the pcb
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post Jan 29 2016, 01:01 PM

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You gross income is taxable, just EPF contribution got 6k break. The same one lah
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QUOTE(Aftermaths @ Jan 29 2016, 12:17 PM)
Money market hold up due to .....................

The money market become tight & ask u guys spend more to solve it.

everybody spend more  -- > money turnaround faster for gst
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QUOTE(wangpr @ Jan 29 2016, 12:19 PM)
Go learn LHDN formula properly before state a fact....

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Uh only employers portion of epf is not taxed. So the change in the employees portion of the tax to u should be no implication unless u dun get the full rm6000 epf /life insurance relief. So to those within the narrow band of rm3500 to rm5000 will be affected (below tht u dun pay tax anyway)

Source: study tax in acca and was involved in some tax work in pwc.
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u got 2k rebate mah for eraning 8k below
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QUOTE(ThanatosSwiftfire @ Jan 29 2016, 01:12 PM)
Uh only employers portion of epf is not taxed. So the change in the employees portion of the tax to u should be no implication unless u dun get the full rm6000 epf /life insurance relief. So to those within the narrow band of rm3500 to rm5000 will be affected (below tht u dun pay tax anyway)

Source: study tax in acca and was involved in some tax work in pwc.
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QUOTE(mohdyakup @ Jan 29 2016, 12:58 PM)
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Below 5k 0% no?


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6k deduction easy reach la, /k all 20k per month
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post Jan 29 2016, 01:42 PM

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Money used to calculate tax includes whatever that enters your EPF.
Whether you put 8% or 11%, it is taxed.

Basically what happens is that most Malaysians, lower - middle income bracket already no more money. So gov allow you take 3% back instead of contributing to EPF, so this money can be spent, and out of the 3% you take back, 6% of that amount will eventually to go government because of GST smile.gif
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QUOTE(daijoubu @ Jan 29 2016, 01:42 PM)
Money used to calculate tax includes whatever that enters your EPF.
Whether you put 8% or 11%, it is taxed.

Basically what happens is that most Malaysians, lower - middle income bracket already no more money. So gov allow you take 3% back instead of contributing to EPF, so this money can be spent, and out of the 3% you take back, 6% of that amount will eventually to go government because of GST smile.gif
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In other words, spend less and save more.
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QUOTE(Seager @ Jan 29 2016, 12:12 PM)
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Macam logic jugak

Anyone working in income tax capacity/ HR can confirm if the deductions above are right?
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....only tax break from extra EPF contribution
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QUOTE(samftrmd @ Jan 29 2016, 01:35 PM)
Below 5k 0% no?
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If u earn YEARLY 5k only, then yes u dont have to pay tax.

But how did u survived with 5k annual income?!
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QUOTE(Seager @ Jan 29 2016, 12:12 PM)
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Anyone working in income tax capacity/ HR can confirm if the deductions above are right?
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QUOTE(Seager @ Jan 29 2016, 12:12 PM)
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Macam logic jugak

Anyone working in income tax capacity/ HR can confirm if the deductions above are right?
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i use PCB calc not much different with how much we need to pay if single..married no diff at all

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QUOTE(ciahcra @ Jan 29 2016, 02:02 PM)
If u earn YEARLY 5k only, then yes u dont have to pay tax.

But how did u survived with 5k annual income?!
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QUOTE(Nachiino Etamay @ Jan 29 2016, 12:50 PM)
thats cuz you bloody dont pay tax.

for CY2015, my salary grew by 9%, and my after tax salary grew by 10%

This is due to the 1%-2% lower tax rates for all brackets, and higher brackets.
the only reason you dont "feel" income tax reduction, as you are climbing the brackets

ie: you earn more money, hence moving from 13% to 16% to 20% to 24% bracket. then your after tax salary will grow slower compared to your salary.
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lel i dont pay attention to tax. just bantai, pay and forget
sometime we have lhdn people come to our company to process for us.



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The parents tax relief is for which income bracket group?

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KUALA LUMPUR, Oct 23 — For the first time, a national budget has made provision for tax relief for children who provide for their parents.

Budget 2016 provides tax relief of RM1,500 for the mother and RM1,500 for the father.

“The relief is subject to the condition that each parent does not have income exceeding RM2,000 a month and must be 60 years and above,” said Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak when tabling Budget 2016 in the Dewan Rakyat today.

Najib, who is also the finance minister, also announced an increase in tax relief from RM1,000 to RM2,000 for each child below 18 years of age from year of assessment 2016.

He also announced an increase in the tax relief:

from RM3,000 to RM4,000 for individual taxpayer whose spouse has no income.

from RM6,000 to RM8,000 for each child above the age of 18 years who is studying at local or foreign institutions of higher learning from year of assessment 2016.

from RM6,000 to RM8,000 for disabled child above the age of 18 years who is studying at local or foreign institutions of higher learning, from year of assessment 2016.

“The existing tax relief for parents with a disabled child is RM6,000. This means that if the disabled ch8ld continues his or her education in local or foreign institutions, the total relief allowable is RM14,000,” he said.

Najib also said that to enable more employees to benefit from the Social Security Organisation (Socso), the eligibility for mandatory contribution would be increased from a monthly salary of RM3,000 to RM4,000.

“This adjustment will benefit 500,000 employees. Upon the death of the contributor, during the term of employment, the next-of-kin will receive a monthly payment of up to 90 per cent of his last-drawn monthly salary,” he added. — Bernama
http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia...get-tax-reliefs

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QUOTE(mohdyakup @ Jan 29 2016, 12:20 PM)
Good point. Kena tanya kat kawan aku at LHDN. Thanks Seager for raising this question. I love you.
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u gaji /k standard doesn't make any difference la.

Pelepasan Cukai for KWSP is up to RM6K/year only. So any contribution more than 6K will be taxable, for example if your annual KWSP contribution is 10K than the difference of 4K will be taxable.

but for other who have average salary less than ~ 5K/mth (rough figure), they might ended up paying more tax as their "pelepasan cukai" will be even less than before due to lesser KWSP contribution which will be lower than 6K.
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QUOTE(ciahcra @ Jan 29 2016, 02:02 PM)
If u earn YEARLY 5k only, then yes u dont have to pay tax.

But how did u survived with 5k annual income?!
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QUOTE(Seager @ Jan 29 2016, 12:12 PM)
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Anyone working in income tax capacity/ HR can confirm if the deductions above are right?
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income tax kira basic imo.

just go to lhdn and ask.

why i is so sure? cuz i lost EA form before, lhdn asked me to print my epf statement to replace the lost EA form
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QUOTE(zacx @ Jan 29 2016, 03:14 PM)
u gaji /k standard doesn't make any difference la.

Pelepasan Cukai for KWSP is up to RM6K/year only. So any contribution more than 6K will be taxable, for example if your annual KWSP contribution is 10K than the difference of 4K will be taxable.

but for other who have average salary less than ~ 5K/mth (rough figure), they might ended up paying more tax as their "pelepasan cukai" will be even less than before due to lesser KWSP contribution which will be lower than 6K.
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its not 5k.

the threshold is RM6k EPF contribution

EPF contribution is at least 11%+11%-12% which is 23% of base salary.

to achieve RM6k per annum of EPF contribution, your base salary will be RM6k/0.23%=RM26,000 per annum.

most people, with one or two month bonus, will get RM26,000 per annum. even graduates.
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EPF
<=6k = No tax
>6k = taxable

This is for 1 year right, sorry i seldom aware of it.

currently my calculation for both employee and employer EPF is near 30k/year, so minus 6k, left 27k, which 27k is taxable right?

damn..that will be a lot.
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QUOTE(Havoc Knightmare @ Jan 29 2016, 12:16 PM)
That's a lie. EPF contributions are taxed already. If EPF contributions were tax exempt, you would be calculating your income tax on your gross income minus EPF contributions. Like say a person makes 10k. If his EPF portion were tax exempted, you will only calculate tax on the 8.9k (under 11% contribution), not 10k.
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QUOTE(Nachiino Etamay @ Jan 29 2016, 03:44 PM)
its not 5k.

the threshold is RM6k EPF contribution

EPF contribution is at least 11%+11%-12% which is 23% of base salary.

to achieve RM6k per annum of EPF contribution, your base salary will be RM6k/0.23%=RM26,000 per annum.

most people, with one or two month bonus, will get RM26,000 per annum. even graduates.
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it just rough estimation, if you earn more than 5K/mth, you probably going to contribute EPF more than 6K at the end of the year....

btw, i thot than employer contribution was not calculated in tax calculation only your personal contribution. your calculation at 26K/per annum is not even elligible for tax, i think

However, i might be wrong as i haven't need to pay income tax for few years already.... rclxm9.gif
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did a fast calculation

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just estimate only.. consider individual exemption only..
any HR/tax master can correct me if i'm wrong..

poorfags will be taxed higher but not so much that it eat up the whole 3%
either way, its a middle-class BR1M.. cukurrrrr...

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tax payable base on ur gross income. whether or not u deduct 8 or 11% it will not affect tax payable, unless ur salary increase .
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imho, if someone EPF contribution is more than RM 6k. You should opt to take the 8%. The additional income of 3% can be use for PERS (Private Employee Retirement Scheme) to reduce their income tax payable.

If i made a mistake sorry ya. Pls dont flame me
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QUOTE(zhorn @ Jan 29 2016, 05:06 PM)
did a fast calculation

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just estimate only.. consider individual exemption only..
any HR/tax master can correct me if i'm wrong..

poorfags will be taxed higher but not so much that it eat up the whole 3%
either way, its a middle-class BR1M.. cukurrrrr...
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