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post Aug 31 2017, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(GenY @ Aug 31 2017, 12:23 AM)
Is it just me or has the stock market become more volatile lately?

Previously when a good company announce one-off poor results the stock price does not move much - I thought that's the beauty of Bursa stocks compared to markets in HK or US.

Both my Powerroot and YSPSAH dropped a lot on Wed after poor results - basically I lost all  profit gained from those two stocks in 2017.

My overall portfolio not seriously affected since it has 33 counters. But I still find it ... disquieting.
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You are not alone. My portfolio dropped 5% within 1 week. Now recovered slightly. I lost all my profits in Johotin and more than 1/2 of my profits in Cocoaland. NHFatt is bleeding. Air Asia...hmm, we shall see.

Soldier on!


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post Mar 15 2020, 11:48 PM

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Banking, gaming, sin and consumer stocks, anyone?

These are my bets for this year.
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post Mar 16 2020, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(Moneylust @ Mar 15 2020, 11:56 PM)
I see u have a new portfolio. You cut loss on all your old stocks .... AnnJoo, LCTitan etc?
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Eh, you remember me? Hell yes, I cut loss from my old portfolio. Huge loss.

I just started my new portfolio in Feb/March 2020. But I entered the market too early. Now bloodbath in my portfolio. -15.323%. What to do? Life goes on.

First war chest finished to build my new portfolio. Now preparing my second war chest. biggrin.gif
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post Mar 16 2020, 04:47 PM

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Loading up! I bought or topped up the following shares today:

1. Tenaga
2. Genting
3. Takaful
4. AEON
5. Public Bank
6. Carlsberg
7. AJI
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post Mar 16 2020, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Mar 16 2020, 05:17 PM)
are you only invested in m'sian stock market?
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Yes, I only invest in Malaysian stocks as a retail investor.

For foreign stocks, I rely on Fundsupermart and Stashaway.

Otherwise, I don't have the time to analyse or monitor all the stocks. biggrin.gif
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post Mar 16 2020, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(Moneylust @ Mar 16 2020, 07:28 PM)
How do you guys deal with the stock and horror of having a significant part of your net worth destroyed?  The recent years have been difficult.
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My 2 cents’ view:

1. Don’t buy stocks with ‘scared’ money. ‘Scared’ money means buying stocks with margin accounts, borrowed money or money that you need to use within the next 3 to 4 years. This will affect our emotion or judgment in selling the stocks when the market is down.

2. Have an emergency fund of at least 3 to 6 months before even thinking of investing in stocks.

3. Know yourself - are you a speculator, trader or investor?

4. Have a MOS (margin of safety) when buying stocks. This means buying stocks at a discount and companies which are fundamentally strong. Easier said than done!

5. Change our mindset. Equate buying stocks with buying goods when there is a fire sale. One bottle of Carlsberg beer selling for RM5? Buy! iPhone X selling for RM500? Buy! Brand new BMW 3 series selling for RM50K? Buy!
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post Mar 17 2020, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Mar 16 2020, 10:29 PM)
I thought the definition of scared money is an investor who is afraid of buying the dip because they're afraid it will drop further. Hence, they miss the opportunity and before they know it, the bear market is over.
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Yikes! Maybe my understanding is wrong.

I use the phrase "scared money" in the general casino term, i.e. referring to the money that a player cannot afford to lose.
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post Mar 17 2020, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(airtawarian @ Mar 17 2020, 10:52 AM)
despite so many advise still got ppl buying. all d best
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It's OK. No worries.

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post Mar 18 2020, 06:58 PM

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My humble view:

1. For AirAsia, can cut loss already. The pilots have already been told to take a 10% ‘voluntary’ pay cut.

2. For Maybank, I am holding it. The dividend yield of 6% plus will sustain us for now. Maybank is still fundamentally strong.
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post Mar 18 2020, 07:05 PM

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I am now looking at REITS. It has fallen quite a bit these few days. Some are still falling.

1. IGB REIT
2. Sunreit
3. YTL Hospitality REIT

Any thoughts from the Sifus here? No flaming please.
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post Mar 19 2020, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Mar 18 2020, 08:43 PM)
If you look at YTL's portfolio which comprises of hotels and seeing how countries are imposing travel ban, not ideal to get it now.
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Thank you for your advice. I agree with you.

I will continue to monitor the REITS. They are still in free fall today, esp YTL REIT. Now down -11%.

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post Mar 19 2020, 01:06 PM

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In turbulent times like this, the best thing for me to do is to brush off the dust from one of the finance books on my book shelf and read them.

Count our blessing. We are worrying about the stock market and the share price of our stocks. This shows we are doing extremely well.

Others are fighting for their lives because of COVID-19 and scared of losing of their jobs because of the current economic downturn.

This too shall pass. Stay calm and stay safe.
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post Mar 19 2020, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Mar 19 2020, 03:22 PM)
Then, maybe you should cincai sell off now to cut the losses.
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Classic. I like this statement. 😀

Wow, the forumers here already going in for IGBReit. Don’t want to wait already?
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post Mar 20 2020, 12:32 PM

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The share market is going up today. I just hope it is not a dead cat bounce. All the shares in my portfolio are going up except for SIME. But my portfolio is still in the red.

Dividend of RM825 for BAT was paid on 18th March 2020.
Divided of RM800 for Public Bank was paid on 20th March 2020.

In times of crisis, one of the things to fall back on is dividend payment.

YTL Reit which I have been eyeing for the last few days shot up +10% today. Have I missed the boat?

Decisions....decisions..

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post Mar 21 2020, 12:10 AM

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This is a great buying opportunity for those with holding power. It only comes once in 10 years.

The sky is falling and there is blood on the street as they say.

The only question is have we seen the bottom of the market yet? Nobody has the answer.

For Malaysia, if the RMO gets extended for another 2 weeks because the infection cases spike, then what will happen to the market?

In the meantime, I am staying invested to the point that I am comfortable sleeping.

Happy investing guys!

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post Mar 21 2020, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Mar 21 2020, 07:43 AM)
What I'd currently u r already holding a sizable amount of shares and u see a big loss in your portfolio
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I am not sure I understand your post.

Are you asking what you should do if you are holding a sizeable amount of shares and there is a big loss in your portfolio? If you have bought the shares at a discounted price and they are fundamentally strong, then the best thing to do is nothing. Just ride out the storm.

If you were referring to my portfolio, my current unrealised loss is about -13.634%. This is still acceptable.

Post note : I have already exhausted my second war chest. Now looking at my third war chest which I prefer not to touch now if possible.

The other option is to sell off some of my existing shares and buy other shares with a better risk reward ratio.
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post Mar 21 2020, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(spiderman17 @ Mar 21 2020, 03:02 PM)
how many war chests do you have?
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Unfortunately, this will be my final war chest. I was saving it in case the stocks in my watch list drop another 10% to 20%. But the stock market rebounded last Friday.

I don’t like to invest or trade using a margin account or by borrowing money. But that is just my personal preference. Other forumers here may have a higher risk tolerance.
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post Mar 24 2020, 09:20 AM

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Good morning folks.

It’s a miracle. Our market opened in the green today! All the shares in my portfolio are going up!

Nothing to buy for me. Hold the ammo.
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post Mar 24 2020, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Mar 24 2020, 09:34 AM)
so weird. have we reached the level whereby disaster no long cause panic selling?
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As they say, Mr. Market is irrational.

One possible explanation is that all the margin account traders have been flushed out. Whatever margin calls which need to be made which forced the price of the shares to dive in a vicious cycle have already been made. Therefore, the traders and speculators are now either all dead or licking their wounds.

Thus, it is time for the serious retail investors to come in to buy the undervalued shares.

But the above is just my 2 cents view without looking at the actual data whether it is the institutional investors or foreign investors who are swopping in to buy the shares. I would be surprised if it were the local fund managers who are buying the shares. They don't have the choice of buying. If the unit trust holders are panic selling their unit trusts, where are the fund managers going to find the money to buy the shares?

In the meantime, we just enjoy the ride or show for now. Hong Leong Bank going up 11% and Public Bank going up +8% as I write. Even SunReit which is giving a RM20 million rental waiver to its tenants is going up +1.8%. Go figure.

Let's see what will happen when EPF pull out billions of ringgit from the share market for the RM500 monthly payout to the EPF holders who are withdrawing their money.

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post Mar 24 2020, 05:56 PM

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Ok folks. Looks like the show is over. The US gave one big Viagra pill and all the markets are up.

Please come back in 10 years time for another round of shopping.

Or am I speaking too soon?

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