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post Mar 4 2021, 01:10 AM

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QUOTE(Reyeskb @ Mar 3 2021, 11:41 PM)
Yes, please create a blog something like KYY...sure famous one. :-)
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Thank you. But KYY is famous or infamous for the wrong reasons. 😃

QUOTE(Kar Weng @ Mar 4 2021, 12:06 AM)
We are looking forward. Let’s help you think of a title. Maybe “Uncle Van Investment” or “The Uncle Investor”.
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Thanks for the suggested titles. Food for thought.

I heard bloggers can even earn passive income from advertisements in their blogs! 😃
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post Mar 4 2021, 01:44 AM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Mar 4 2021, 01:10 AM)
Thank you. But KYY is famous or infamous for the wrong reasons. 😃
Thanks for the suggested titles. Food for thought.

I heard bloggers can even earn passive income from advertisements in their blogs! 😃
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Please be the uncorrupted one 🙌 I think genuinely sharing your experiences and opinions will surely attract a lot of audience without the infamy.

And ya great passive income either from affiliate marketing or Adsense, but affiliate can make you biased in some cases.
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post Mar 4 2021, 01:53 AM

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QUOTE(pacmann @ Mar 3 2021, 11:39 PM)
i generally enjoy the tone of conversations here along with the occasional debates. not forgetting, the english used here. so eloquent!
pick up a few techniques here and there.
keep it going y'all! this thread has become my favourite lunch break read.
i did not buy gloves' stocks, however reading the posts, i feel like i bought glove stocks too. so gancheong
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Lol, gan cheong even by reading, imagine the emotions when you're really in it, ey...

You're right, the people here are quite respectful and humble. Some are cuckoo too, but has some sense of humour. Not to mention, very helpful. Welcome and do participate whenever.

QUOTE(Kar Weng @ Mar 4 2021, 12:11 AM)
Yep started to enjoy reading here too, so much better than the forum posts in i3, if there’s even a need for comparison. One thing I really like is that we’re all honest, average investors sharing our journey filled with success, losses & personal fears, as opposed to those hyped-up gurus trying to sell programs. It’s very down to earth. We get to see the real picture of the everyday person trading/investing.
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Ditto, brother.

Don't know how I'd be without this place.
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post Mar 4 2021, 02:45 AM

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I will like to share an article that I am completely agree with and I think many people here don’t know what it takes for investing.

Many claim that FA is useless in Bursa, many claim they invest in glove fundamental, but the fact is they have no idea what is FA at all and they are not investing, but they are trading.

Well, if you invest in “FA” that is well known by public already, do you think there will be any price surge potential? If you invest in “FA”, why do you buy a stock at premium price? If you say you know about “FA”, why are you shaking your leg when price collapse? You should be more happy!

https://www.tradeview.my/2021/03/tradeview-...s-take.html?m=1

I still remember in 2020 when this author mention glove counters will become dividend yield counters in 2021, many people here laughed at him.

Pls take time to read.

My 2 cent.
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post Mar 4 2021, 06:23 AM

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QUOTE(Kar Weng @ Mar 4 2021, 01:44 AM)
Please be the uncorrupted one 🙌 I think genuinely sharing your experiences and opinions will surely attract a lot of audience without the infamy.

And ya great passive income either from affiliate marketing or Adsense, but affiliate can make you biased in some cases.
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Thank you for your thoughts. No, definitely I am no KYY whether in wealth or character. 🙂

If I were KYY, I will buy loads of penny stocks or a low value stock like AT and start pumping the stock and creating a lot of hype around it.

Ahem, I can write quite well and persuasively, you know. 😃

But I believe in having a conscience and in karma.

Whatever bad things that we do in this life will come back to haunt us whether in this lifetime or the next.

QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Mar 4 2021, 01:53 AM)
Lol, gan cheong even by reading, imagine the emotions when you're really in it, ey...

You're right, the people here are quite respectful and humble. Some are cuckoo too, but has some sense of humour. Not to mention, very helpful. Welcome and do participate whenever.
Ditto, brother.

Don't know how I'd be without this place.
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I am glad you like this thread. But it was not always like this.

This thread used to be non-newbie friendly. Newbies or new members who joined here and asked questions used to be met with sarcastic remarks and looked down upon by some of the senior forumers. I got the same treatment as well when I first joined last year 😅

Very few new members stay and most become silent readers. For unknown reasons, some of the senior members like Gark and Pink Spider have disappeared as well. Those were some of the sifus that I respect.

But I am glad to say during the the past one year or so, the toxic here have slowly disappeared. Maybe the forumers here have matured and realized that sharing knowledge benefits everyone and no man is an island.

Sorry, a long rambling post from me in the morning! 😃

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post Mar 4 2021, 07:39 AM

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QUOTE(Kar Weng @ Mar 4 2021, 12:11 AM)
Yep started to enjoy reading here too, so much better than the forum posts in i3, if there’s even a need for comparison. One thing I really like is that we’re all honest, average investors sharing our journey filled with success, losses & personal fears, as opposed to those hyped-up gurus trying to sell programs. It’s very down to earth. We get to see the real picture of the everyday person trading/investing.

The only downside is the difficulty in navigation. There are a lot posts and sometimes it can be a headache jumping from one page to another since the posts/page is quite limited.
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i3 forums contain a lot of useless "tit-for-tat" comments which u can ignore.
but sometimes, people do post some useful links for new info/data.
in addition, there are a few good guys posting very respectable blogs, good to read them, e.g. this one below:

QUOTE(skty @ Mar 4 2021, 02:45 AM)
I will like to share an article that I am completely agree with and I think many people here don’t know what it takes for investing.

Many claim that FA is useless in Bursa, many claim they invest in glove fundamental, but the fact is they have no idea what is FA at all and they are not investing, but they are trading.

Well, if you invest in “FA” that is well known by public already, do you think there will be any price surge potential? If you invest in “FA”, why do you buy a stock at premium price? If you say you know about “FA”, why are you shaking your leg when price collapse? You should be more happy!

https://www.tradeview.my/2021/03/tradeview-...s-take.html?m=1

I still remember in 2020 when this author mention glove counters will become dividend yield counters in 2021, many people here laughed at him.

Pls take time to read.

My 2 cent.
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this one is surely among the best written on gloves.
the author has done so much work and laid them down nicely for contrast and comparison.
for me, the main takeaway is still the question why malaysian glove stock prices are so much weaker than their counterparts in other countries.
u wud think as largest players, most experienced, best tech, all that muscle will be able to muster greatness, but no... the opposite happened.
the precise reasons, i have yet to read anything convincing from anyone.

QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Mar 4 2021, 06:23 AM)
But I am glad to say during the the past one year or so, the toxic here have slowly disappeared. Maybe the forumers here have matured and realized that sharing knowledge benefits everyone and no man is an island.

Sorry, a long rambling post from me in the morning! 😃
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yes, the tone and mood has improved over the last few months.
my observation is a few frequent stone throwers with little to offer have left.
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post Mar 4 2021, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(Taikor.Taikun @ Mar 3 2021, 04:07 PM)
If EPF dumping could b due to those isinar, ilestari thingy. They need cash on hands. FF, LI r out. When they come back, things will get exciting
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yep, likely EPF is the main one selling down some counters for cash, isinar.
at this point, all indications are very little money, foreign or domestic, is going into hard or soft investments.
guess everyone is waiting the politics to improve, waiting for confidence to return.

QUOTE(BliitzkrieG @ Mar 3 2021, 07:56 PM)
RSS shorts like doesn't matter much to me anymore as they can cover their position off the market.

Can only hope they continue doing that while EPF absorb their cheap tickets provided everything goes back to fundamental value. Fingers crossed only haha
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i failed to find proof that an rss shortie can cover by buying offmarket.
i thought i read in bursa website that an rss short in open market must be covered by a buyback in open market..?

anyway, rss shorts yesterday were small except for kossan which is strange.
i wudn't be surprised if simultaneously they bought back significantly yesterday - that we will know only tmr.
as of this morning, there is about rm2.78bil shorted value outstanding for the 4 gloves.
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post Mar 4 2021, 08:00 AM

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i3 forum is great lol
its always have ppl say the share is dropping and run!
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post Mar 4 2021, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(skty @ Mar 4 2021, 02:45 AM)
I will like to share an article that I am completely agree with and I think many people here don’t know what it takes for investing.

Many claim that FA is useless in Bursa, many claim they invest in glove fundamental, but the fact is they have no idea what is FA at all and they are not investing, but they are trading.

Well, if you invest in “FA” that is well known by public already, do you think there will be any price surge potential? If you invest in “FA”, why do you buy a stock at premium price? If you say you know about “FA”, why are you shaking your leg when price collapse? You should be more happy!

https://www.tradeview.my/2021/03/tradeview-...s-take.html?m=1

I still remember in 2020 when this author mention glove counters will become dividend yield counters in 2021, many people here laughed at him.

Pls take time to read.

My 2 cent.
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Thank you for the link.

I have the view that you are right. Sometimes the saying "FA is useless in Bursa" is done tongue in cheek, which is fine. But some folks seem to really believe it now, seems a red position can do wonders in converting followers to a cause. This affects mostly newer people in the pond, but some oldies may not be spared.

Almost everyone claims to be an investor but is actually a trader. Not by any deception on their part, but by a lack of understanding of the terms.
Most claim to do their FA, but then measure the results based on a short term trading timescale instead of an investor timescale. The surest sign to self check is to see when you buy a stock, it drops a week after and you feel jumpy. Price drops lower for 3 months and you feel "trapped". That's trading.

If your FA is done right and hoping you covered most scenarios, as an investor the thought at the back of your head will be "It'll come back".
But truth be told, investing is probably suited to the minority. As Warren once said, nobody wants to get rich slow. And a lot will be uncomfortable sitting in red.
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post Mar 4 2021, 08:54 AM

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Growth stock is going to go red again today. As yield up tick again.

Anyway FA still works.FA give you the margin of safety.

So like glove case you can say the real value is calculated at around RM3 or so, so you got that rm3 as your safety base. if you buy at 8 and lose rm5 then that is misjudgement, nothing wrong with the FA. The sweet spot is to get it below rm3, hence investing really need patience and conviction.

if it don't meet your criteria to purchase, no matter how attractive the news tell you, your friends tell you, just dont do it.
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FYI.

"Contract Stamp" is a cost charged whenever u buy r sell on bursa.

many small and mid caps were exempted last year and until 28 Feb 2021.

starting 1 mar 2021, no more exemption, u pay.

it is 0.1% of value - it is quite a lot!

https://www.bursamalaysia.com/trade/our_pro..._exemption_list
https://www.bursamalaysia.com/sites/5d809dc...il__Dec2020.pdf

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Hi sifus, what your opinion about dnex? Are the people in the klse screener app just up selling it or is it really going to be the TG of 2021?
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QUOTE(skty @ Mar 4 2021, 02:45 AM)
I will like to share an article that I am completely agree with and I think many people here don’t know what it takes for investing.

Many claim that FA is useless in Bursa, many claim they invest in glove fundamental, but the fact is they have no idea what is FA at all and they are not investing, but they are trading.

Well, if you invest in “FA” that is well known by public already, do you think there will be any price surge potential? If you invest in “FA”, why do you buy a stock at premium price? If you say you know about “FA”, why are you shaking your leg when price collapse? You should be more happy!

https://www.tradeview.my/2021/03/tradeview-...s-take.html?m=1

I still remember in 2020 when this author mention glove counters will become dividend yield counters in 2021, many people here laughed at him.

Pls take time to read.

My 2 cent.
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Many are emotionally attached to their shares; is not investment or trading.

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 4 2021, 08:54 AM)
FYI.

"Contract Stamp" is a cost charged whenever u buy r sell on bursa.

many small and mid caps were exempted last year and until 28 Feb 2021.

starting 1 mar 2021, no more exemption, u pay.

it is 0.1% of value - it is quite a lot!

https://www.bursamalaysia.com/trade/our_pro..._exemption_list
https://www.bursamalaysia.com/sites/5d809dc...il__Dec2020.pdf
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Thanks for highlighting it.

Was just about to reach out to my remisier enquiring about stamp duty.

I kena charge when I sold Supermax this week, but it was not charged when I bought it last year.

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Hi sifus, what your opinion about dnex? Are the people in the klse screener app just up selling it or is it really going to be the TG of 2021?
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Find a counter that most people are still bearish (hesitant to go in) and backed by fundamentals and trend/hype/momentum. You don't want counters like BAT that has dropped 50%. Find one with positive momentum and good thematic play. Steel/tech/glove/entertainment/logistics/aluminium. Most of technical analysis is just (Not letting people to cut loss and dump on you, and following the smart money). Uncle auntie in BAT stuck for years you think it is going to go up to RM60 again?

The famous "head and shoulder" technical pattern can literally be translated into "People chased high stuck at high floor. Sell first so these bagholders don't get to cut loss and stock price will go down".But this usually applies to garbage penny stocks with no fundamentals and intraday traders.


It is not going to be the next TG if everyone else thinks so. Everyone thought Mr DIY was going to crash hard after IPO. Didn't happen. Most people kept buying the dip in Supermax because "buy the fear, sell the greed". Didn't happen. For a more short term and recent example, people thought Ambank will limit down twice. Being a contrarian, I bought the dip yesterday because I think it was plain overreaction and irrational panic

If everyone has the same bullish thesis, it has a lower probability to happen because the momentum has already priced in. (All bulls have already bought in, no more external factors/bears turned bulls). Tesla, every shorts have been killed and no one else is bearish on Tesla, now it is finally having a correction.

Also, FOMO is a drug. Reading stuffs on i3 is fun occasionally and putting your hard-earned money on the line because some forumers hyping up a stock is not a cool idea.

TLDR; Jump in when everyone else is in doubt. Not when everyone is in celebration mode.

Again, for my daily dose of shitpost, Bursa tech is not dead. To 100 we go

This post has been edited by lauwenhan: Mar 4 2021, 09:40 AM
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Yesterday was the everything that Bursabet hoped for. It was the short squeeze
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QUOTE(zstan @ Mar 4 2021, 09:27 AM)
Pinch of salt.
He is saying he sold all 3 weeks ago, but his articles written in support of SPMX was all the way up to last week. Just doesn't jive for me.
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post Mar 4 2021, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Mar 4 2021, 09:27 AM)
The i sold all blogpost is out. Cant say we are not expecting this right? In the end he still earn one la, probably selling all the way down while writing blogpost, so livermore market operator style haha.

His pattern always same sop, hype it up with fundamental to extraordinary level, the sell it all the way down and let other pick up the broken pieces. Company will still stay intact but shareholder money get burn
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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Mar 4 2021, 09:38 AM)
The i sold all blogpost is out. Cant say we are not expecting this right? In the end he still earn one la, probably selling all the way down while writing blogpost, so livermore market operator style haha.

His pattern always same sop, hype it up with fundamental to extraordinary level, the  sell it all the way down and let other pick up the broken pieces. Company will still stay intact but shareholder money get burn
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He is going to hype up bursa tech soon. Look at his recent post on TA is more useful than FA. Still he is a crook full of shit. I am so ready to dump all my tech shares once his post comes out

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