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post Aug 16 2020, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(ljf123 @ Aug 16 2020, 10:29 AM)
any book recommendations? biggrin.gif
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For an easy read, I still like One Up On Wall Street by Peter Lynch.
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post Aug 17 2020, 09:45 AM

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Good morning folks. This thread is quiet this morning which means that some of the forumers here are losing money and cutting their losses.

The glove stocks are continuing their downtrend, the support line has been broken. Will it rebound? Only God knows.

This could end up as a massacre like The Battle of The Alamo. However, I am hoping that it will end up like the Battle of the Little Bighorn, with us being the American Indians.

Relax guys, this too shall pass. In the meantime, let's eat our pop corn and see if there is any opportunity for day trading.
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post Aug 17 2020, 09:57 AM

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The only regret I have is to re-enter the big 4 Glove Stocks too early last week.

Now, I am out of ammo. Looks like I have to bunker down to outlast the storm and also consider moving another war chest in.

Decisions...decisions...
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post Aug 17 2020, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(lowya @ Aug 17 2020, 10:06 AM)
your regret is due to oversize risk per trade.

cut loss should feel normal, winning should feel boring.
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Possible. Maybe I should have entered in stages. But what is done is done. smile.gif


QUOTE(helob @ Aug 17 2020, 10:25 AM)
I like your calm and attitude.  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
Lets sit and wait for the storm to blow over. Blue sky and sunshine is awaiting.
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Oh thank you. I am no spring chicken...I have been around the block a few times.

Anyway, nobody pointed a gun to my head and said "buy this stock and buy that stock". So, when things go south, we should not blame the earth and the sky. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Aug 17 2020, 10:33 AM)
Same here almost. Topped up too early last week

Today seems to be a better deal... if u still have confidence with gloves thats it
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I don't know. Maybe wait for the price drop to stabilise first? I still have faith in the glove stocks, especially the Big 4.
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post Aug 17 2020, 12:06 PM

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I am no expert. Some checklist which may help us to make an informed decision...

(1) Are the glove stocks making tons of money?
(2) Is the valuation for certain glove stocks still attractive?
(3) Is Covid-19 now still raging across the world?
(4) Is the vaccine for Covid-19 available now for free for all the citizens of the world?
(5) Can I afford to buy the glove stocks now and hold it without panicking?
(6) Can I change my mind set from “The sky is falling, the price of stocks are crashing” to “The glove stocks are now selling at a discount of 20%. Mega sales is here”.

My 2 kupang as usual… biggrin.gif

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post Aug 17 2020, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(PSS2020 @ Aug 17 2020, 12:41 PM)
2 weeks old baby on stock trading.
Still holding SM and TG...
My heart seems quite strong despite the roller coaster..
Can't believe fundamentals lose to uncles aunties ><

Plz recommend me more books to read as a beginner.
Yesterday I saw someone said The Intelligent Investor.
More plz.
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Welcome to the crocodile pond, bro!

For beginners, I would strongly recommend the following books:

(1) One Up On Wall Street by Peter Lynch
(2) How to Make Money From Your Stock Investment Even in a Falling Market by Ho Kok Mun (2nd edition – published in 2019 or 2020)

Happy reading!

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post Aug 17 2020, 07:44 PM

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Time to separate the men from the boys again...

All the contra players and weak players are being flushed out. Then the glove stocks will stage a spectacular rebound.

Please don’t mark my words. I am just blowing water. 😀
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post Aug 18 2020, 10:04 AM

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Good morning folks. In about 8 days of trading, the blood bath in glove stocks are as follows:

4 Heavenly Kings

1. Top Glove -22.24%
2. Supermax -33.42%
3. Kossan -32.25%
4. Harta -26.48%

2nd Liners

1. Adventa -73.67%
2. Careplus - 51.21%
3. Ruberex -43.53%
4. Comfort -58.95%

From my previous posts, you know where I stand on this. This morning, the rubber glove stocks is going up. Is it a dead cat bounce or a true recovery?

P/S: Look at the losses for Adventa and Comfort. It is truly eye watering. You need a 100% gain to recover back a 50% loss. Is it possible?

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post Aug 18 2020, 10:20 AM

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I re-entered Ruberex, Adventa, Careplus and Comfort again this morning for trading.

We will know very soon whether I will make a killing or be killed. tongue.gif
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post Aug 18 2020, 11:35 AM

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Such is human nature.

When I want to sell you an Iphone 11 Pro Max at a discounted price of RM2000, you said it is too cheap and it must bad quality. You don't want to buy it. But when I offer you the same Iphone 11 one week later for RM10K, you said it must be good quality since it is so expensive. You rush to buy it.

In the same way, many traders and investors lose money. The only parties who make a profit is Bursa Malaysia and the brokerage firms.

If we cannot break this mind set and vicious cycle, it is difficult for us to make money.


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post Aug 18 2020, 12:39 PM

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Thank you comrades. To those who bunkered down with me for the past 1 week while we endured the missiles and bombs.

Reinforcements have finally arrived for the glove stocks...
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post Aug 18 2020, 03:28 PM

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I came back to office from a late lunch.

Logged into Rakuten. My eyes nearly popped out. All the 4 stocks which I bought this morning hit limit up or is almost there. Comfort, Careplus, Adventa and Ruberex.

I made a killing today. Sold off all Careplus and 1/2 of Comfort, Careplus and Ruberex to lock in the profits. sweat.gif

To see how Mr. Market behaves tomorrow.

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post Aug 18 2020, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(anakMY @ Aug 18 2020, 03:30 PM)
Congrats bro, u read their game play well.
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Thank you. This is just beginner's luck. Nothing to do with skill.
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QUOTE(ZeroSOFInfinity @ Aug 18 2020, 03:32 PM)
Good for you bro.  nod.gif
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I think you went back in Supermax and Top Glove yesterday right? Your portfolio should be super green now.

Congrats as well. rclxms.gif
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post Aug 18 2020, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(ZeroSOFInfinity @ Aug 18 2020, 03:53 PM)
Thinking of selling Kossan first... stagnanted at 15.90+ for a while...... lock some profits first.......... shall I?
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Your money, your call bro.

You can sell 1/2 or let it the balance ride. If you have faith in Kossan, just continue to let the entire stock ride tomorrow. If you can't sleep well tonight, then just sell all now and lock in the profits.

I am still holding Supermax, TopGlove, Harta and Kossan in full. Not selling yet. It's time for my revenge after being bombarded by missiles and bombs for 1 week. Finally, I can come out from the bunker. Charge!!!
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post Aug 18 2020, 05:05 PM

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One forumer here highlighted a problem with the traders/investors in this forum including myself.

Our TA is weak.

I will be the first to admit. I have some basic understanding about FA but my TA sucks. This becomes a problem as to when to buy? The FA of the stock may say good value. But the TA says no. Thus we sometimes buy at the wrong entry price when the price is still falling and has not bottomed out yet. Will a good knowledge of TA help us in this sense?

Another problem that we face is when to sell the stock? Do we follow the TP set by the IB or do we follow our heart? Let's take me as an example. Now I am sitting on a healthy profit. So, when is the right time to sell if we don't have a good knowledge of TA?

Any views from the sifus here? notworthy.gif
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post Aug 18 2020, 07:29 PM

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I stand corrected...

The bonus issue by Top Glove and Supermax only potentially enhance the marketability and trading liquidity of the stocks. It makes the stocks seem “cheaper” to attract more retail investors.

Therefore, wouldn’t a dividend payment be better? This is actual cash in hand received by shareholders?
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QUOTE(GarageSalesUser @ Aug 18 2020, 05:09 PM)
i think TA is much more used in US counters and forex trading.
in Bursa, market sentiment + FA is more significant and maybe a little TA for support and resistance level.
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Thanks for sharing. Some well known investors don’t look at TA at all while the traders will analyze the TA carefully before their move.

If we can combine both FA and TA knowledge, that would be great.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 18 2020, 07:12 PM)
the split itself does NOTHING, adds no value.

it is just the "lower" price allows more people to buy.

so, it is all about... do u like this biz, do u like this co.?

if u dun like gloves but like banks, u will not be interested, no effect.

if u think gloves will make good profits for next few years, maybe u will buy min 100 shares.. say rm9 each = rm900.
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QUOTE(skty @ Aug 18 2020, 07:47 PM)
bonus issues main target is not retail investor.

bonus issues boost up number of shares and therefore make it more difficult to limit up or limit down, which in turn attract the big funds to come in because they can easily buy/sell with big funds without triggering limit up or limit down.
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Thanks for sharing. So bonus issues and share split by itself does nothing and add no value to the shares. We are actually just hoping that the price of the shares will go up after the bonus issue.

So it is back to looking at fundamental and valuation.

Assuming Top Glove and Supermax rallies another 30% by end of August (hey, nothing to stop us from dreaming big, rite?) and reaches our TP, then we should just sell? No point waiting for the bonus issue in September.

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post Aug 18 2020, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(yahiko @ Aug 18 2020, 08:17 PM)
 me me me me me
Hlt.. burn at lost. Even I hold I will still lost anyway but less lost
So I won't back in glove games anymore. Phobia

Btw lost due to this round. Previous earn from the same stock so nett still profit.
I have questions for fundamental investor
How many stock you guys are holding?
The more the better to just concentrate on a few?

Due to these few week temptation. I kind of brought differente diversity stock.. not sure is a good move.
Small lot like 4 or 5lots
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There are no investors left here. All traders only. 😃

For value investors, usually we hold about 10 to 15 different stocks across different sectors and industries. The stocks can be divided into dividend stocks, growth stocks, cyclical stocks, etc.

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