I’ll be frank and go ahead to ask this, see if anyone is raw enough to give an honest answer.

How important is it to have your portfolio stay green at a given moment? There’s no shame to admitting to your losses in public man..in fact I find those who share their losses are armoured with good virtues like humility, courage and perseverance 

IMO coming from fundamental investor POV, there has to be a time when your portfolio will be in red. When?

When you are “buying low”.

Because chances are you don’t know where is the rock bottom, you WILL end up catching a falling knife, either by will/ by circumstance. So there will be a time when your portfolio make you look the most foolish person on earth while waiting to reap your harvest harhaha..

If your portfolio is green ALL THE TIME, it may mean two things:
1.) you’ve not touched your holdings for many years they all have appreciated to multiples that don’t warrant often portfolio rebalancing, which is rare when emotions are involved.

Or....

2.) you chase high and buy only green counters. In this case your overall paper gain will be short-lived. Because whatever that goes up must.... 

Inb4 this applies to FA-list only ok. Cheers!

Make a call with tan sri and ask him what's his target price and we help him push together. 

Definitely possible to have made mistakes for reasons you mentioned..

What would I do..? Does it matter ah? Hahaha..

Ok la..

1.) sell.
2.) depends on what is the stock, I have the weakness of “falling in love” with a stock. So I have tendency to hold onto a stock just because I love the company for whatever reason (think management) even if I later found out I might have bought it at a relatively high multiple. Ended up paying the price of waiting for longer periods until the share price eventually reach the multiple I paid for.
3.) depends on what company again, if it is net cash with good management, proven track record, can sit through the rough patch with them if got holding power.

Traders would’ve left long time ago..

I’d like to call myself an investor for two reasons..

A) I can’t imagine myself trading having to compete with people like you who can draw nice lines and have the discipline to do simulation/notes (and by the way happens to trade for a living haha! )

B) No time to closely monitor the market haha..my patients deserve full attention 

Yup, cut loss doesn’t exist for fundamental investors, sell is the term used instead..but both mean the same thing la loosely speaking..

Without getting into the nitty gritty, I think the chances of choosing a wrong stock is relatively low if one has done his/her homework, if not what does “value” investing mean to them to begin with..?

That is not to say they won’t make mistakes la, after all valuation of a company may vary from one person to another, the gap in between allows mistakes to occur..opportunity loss is the price to pay for..

Generally, as long as the company does well in terms of earning, the share price will follow.. time is the edge investors have..

Cheers 

Strong conviction in one's reasoning is the strength and also the weakness of the investor. A good investor believes in their valuation, which is very good cos when the stock falls, they have the conviction to buy more cause they believe that what they are doing is correct. Most of the time, this is when and how they make the big bucks.

But unfortunately, this could also be the biggest downfall. The strong conviction to hold the stock, despite it falling could cause serious damage if the investor fail to acknowledge that they were wrong with their investment reasoning.

just for you!
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u or anyone interested in glove shorts may want to read this:
https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/bursainve...ime_to_Time.jsp
you shall not pass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch/mJZZNHekEQw

ss/jpm is balrog.

gandalf represents the retailers.

while gandalf the grey fell with balrog down the abyss, imprisoned by saruman in isengard, he eventually use a moth to call on the great eagle for rescue.

gandalf the white will emerge soon.

I have read Michael Covel’s books on Trend Trading. It contains a lot of Zen like saying. Very philosophical. Nothing wrong with that but someone might ask ‘But where are the trading techniques ???”

Maybe for an alternative book, you can try “The Ultimate Day Trader” by Jacob Bernstein.

No right or wrong answer. Different investors/traders have different styles. 

Some like to drive a sports car at 180 km per hour to reach the destination faster. But sometimes the driving skill is not good enough. Crashed and burned.

Some prefer to take the train to reach the same destination. Slow and steady but safer.

that 40b is too much la... but it happens.
Rohirrim!!

So many good sharing....     

Wasn't in a very good frame yesterday evening to give few kupang opinions....   

the FA vs TA thingy.... okay I am not going down that dark rabbit hole but instead I'm gonna say this.... it really doesn't matter. Putting everything aside, there's a lot of similarities... a lot of good stuff, which basically says the same thing...

My fav Buffett quote is 'Our favorite holding period is forever.'
Now one my favorite quote is 'the big money is in the waiting' ....

which basically for me, it tells me not to play in and out of the stock market, hold it longer and you will reap the big profits .....
and in trading ... it says .... if I wanna win big, I gotta stay IN the trade for as long as possible (until I see the sell signal lo)

there's more ... but I better not be so long wind ....   

Yes. Emotions. That's one huge, huge factor.

Those that know me earlier in the stock forums, would know that I don't go cheering my stock if it goes up. Yes, fortunately that's how I was taught. 'Control your bloody emotions. If you can't, the stock markets is not for you.' That's what drilled to me since day 1. Hence for me, focus is very important. Eyes on the ball. Even when in the market is in deep in the red, I do watch which stocks are holding on well or even trying to build on a trend. That's what helped me last April. I was looking but not really looking in the deep end. Instead I was looking at which stocks that are showing strength. (in more simple lingo... in a market of continuous red, instead of looking of seeking gold in the red, I was seeking out which of the green was the better choice. ya.. such strategy, not for everyone but just sharing... )

And yes, of course I understand your situation. Work comes first.

Anyway, what I am trying to say is the constant distractions caused by the constant noise on short selling etc etc, does no one any good at all. Because the eyes isn't on the ball anymore. And yes, on the 4th, many were simply too distracted by all the noise on the short sellers. Stock crashing down, short sellers this la, short sellers that la .... how could they have concentrated on that piece of gold news on midday?

by the way... try search more on trend lines. Very basic stuff. It might be useful for someone like you,

In simplicity ... if the main trend line is a line moving up .... the stock will continue to move up unless the stock price falls below the trend line... meaning a reversal of the direction of the stock.

How will it work for you? If you are busy at work... just leave the stock as it is. Cause you know Mr. Market is taking care of the stock for you.

Now if the stock trend line is moving down ... it literally means the stock will continue to move down .... unless the stock breakouts of the trend line... indicating a trend reversal.

How will it work for you? Well...  no matter what our opinion of the stock, the stock will continue to move down as indicated by the trend line. Unless it changes direction. If you are holding ... why jump into a lift when you know it is going down? If you wanna buy? why don't you wait till the trend change?

Simple ideas... which I know you could improvise and perfect to suit yourself.

Let me show you in pictures... it's hindsight but ....it's very enlightening. (I hope)

The stock had that peak in mid Oct. (Oct 20). Of course we wouldn't know that that was the peak...

But after that... we saw the sell down the next day... ok... we cannot be sure... see below...



the next few days... the stock traded lower.... see lower...


ok ... maybe it's starting to decline for real... how about drawing the TREND LINE now... so we draw one....



now... this would have been decision time, yes?

Right there and then...  one could have sold around 7.4 or so ..... (no need to ride the stock all the way below 6) 
now if I extend that trend line... it would have looked like this below.....


Would it have helped?

I put money in Bitcoin and this is so fucking stupid. Keeps going up wtf

That fella..

Watch what he does and not what he says

Difficult to progress if you cannot get that FOMO monster out of you.

On fake trading...there's so much you can do....

You need that 666 book. Write down the exact price you think the entry should be. Jot down why. Jot down how you will play it.

That's for starters.

From there.. you know roughly what style trading you are good at. Hopefully you discover your weak points too.

Then move on to the challenging part. The big test.

Prepare yourselves. Arm yourself with 100k of fakeness. Test it over a period but remember 100k is all you got. You lose it all, you failed. Challenge yourself. 6 months. 12 months. See your results...

not a problem... over time, u learn how to filter/ignore the noise u find useless or simply garbage!
careful there... grogu exhibits fears like young anakin.... maybe turn out to be another darth!

Bursa/share investment has been around since time immemorial. Many boomers were gold fingers at one period of time and many millennium are following the same path.

For reasons, only about 4% of adults in this country have over us$100k net worth.

Also some bought at dip got delisted, whatnot and become worthless. A reason why many boomers shy away from bursa.

Another question. For those long term FA investor, what do you do when market crash? Cash out or hold then come back few years later?

Yea, always a tough choice to make. You know it's a good company with good fundamental so it'll recover in time. But you can't help but to think what if I cut loss now and enter at a lower price and hold.

Example your current price is 2. Stock crash causes it to drop to 1. Then after 1 or 2 year it climbs back to 2. So if you cut at 1.5-1.8 and get into it like 1-.1.2 then you get more profit.

But then it somehow contradicts to long term FA investor strategy?