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Kar Weng
post Mar 4 2021, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(New Klang @ Mar 4 2021, 07:13 PM)
See you guys rush to buy KGB. HUAT AR!
I follow
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It’s projected to go to 3.10 by Kenanga
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post Mar 4 2021, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Mar 4 2021, 08:38 PM)
Uncle ah...can give siu lui ji some guidance on your approach for tomorrow with KGB? Are you planning to actively monitor its price to target the sell or setting it at a target price?
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Siu lui ji haha, you’re galgal? What’s your entry price?

I’d say your strategy must depend on why you bought in the 1st place, for the business or for some lucky money in the short term volatility?

Let’s hear what our unker sogu has to say!
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post Mar 4 2021, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(greyPJ @ Mar 4 2021, 09:19 PM)
im curious, have you ever bought any share?
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He’s there to keep our over-optimism in check.
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post Mar 5 2021, 03:31 AM

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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Mar 4 2021, 10:25 PM)
Haha, yes, old gal gal tongue.gif I averaged down today, but didn't have time to monitor and it matched at 2.15 doh.gif after I checked. Now my average is 2.3. Guess it's pretty high :/

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How old is old? Though I think most modern gal gal won't come to Lowyat haha.
Anyways that's still a very good average price cause mine is 2.33. Desperately waiting for it to rebound, I believe in the FA!
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post Mar 5 2021, 03:32 AM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Mar 5 2021, 12:43 AM)
And its all green again. Welcome to the fun house haha
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Have fun riding the roller coasterrr
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post Mar 5 2021, 03:33 AM

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So I tried to check the PE ratio for Kpower (just an example), it's showing different numbers ranging from 20 - 50 on different platforms I check.

KLSE Screener: 30
Google: 20.05
Rakuten Trade: 48.07
Value Farm (by Grandpine Capital): 30.06
VI: 35.02
Bursa Marketplace: 21.38

So sifu sekalian, why is that so and where do you usually check your PE? Thanks in advance!

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Kar Weng
post Mar 5 2021, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Mar 5 2021, 08:53 AM)
May be older than most here, lol

Your average price same as mine...in case you jump, please tell me, I jump too, haha
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Aiyo really? Thought I just got to know a siu lui ji that is into investment 😂

Jokes aside, look at Kgb’s downfall today. I’m beyond mortified, cant believe it. Just recently I was making handsome paper profit at 2.6x.
So we’re stuck in the penthouse now. I’m not the kind to simply jump unless the company lost its fundamental strengths. My original TP was 3.1 but guess I was misled by Kenanga. So did you jump?
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post Mar 5 2021, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(greyPJ @ Mar 5 2021, 03:43 AM)
Malacca securities
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So none is the same I guess.

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post Mar 5 2021, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Mar 5 2021, 06:24 AM)
I am also interested to know. I assume they are all referring to trailing PE and some are not using forward PE.

The trailing PE will change daily because the share price of the stock changes daily but this does not explain the wide discrepancies in the PE ratio between different platforms. Unless the platforms do not update the trailing PE daily.

Perhaps some sifus here can enlighten us. Thanks!
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I understand the trailing PE may fluctuate, but the differences are too big. It’s also not indicated that they’re forward PE, or else it’d be FPE.

But but... you’re the sifu here haha. Let’s wait for other sifus then
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post Mar 5 2021, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 5 2021, 09:09 AM)
Kpower trailing net profit (recent 4 Q) = 27.676 million.
Number of shares (after bonus/rights issue) = 452.3 million

Trailing eps = 6.1 sen

PE based on 1.82 = 29.8
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Thanks for your input. Anyway it’s rebounded strongly today, no chance for me to get cheaper tickets.
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post Mar 5 2021, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(howyoulikethat @ Mar 5 2021, 09:40 AM)
Another reason of the huge drop of Kgb yesterday. Rhb report said Kgb lost bid for SMIC hookup job. Rhb TP 1.83, sell rating.

No wonder huge vol & drop yesterday.

Just sharing guys. Buy/sell depends on your investing/trading style.
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Thanks for sharing. What’s most painful is seeing Kenanga reporting their buy call again at 2.6 (instead of the recently suggested TP of 3.1) without stating their reasons. It’s hard to take Kenang’s over-the-top TPs seriously anymore. They advocated serbadk for more than a year and nothing happened. Oh well, should’ve known better.
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post Mar 5 2021, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(New Klang @ Mar 5 2021, 05:34 PM)
KGB got recommendation this morning but price dropped

https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kenangare...ip_Shortage.jsp
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Ya the same Kenanga that told us it’s supposed to worth 3.10

In any case I’m not letting it go just yet so soon even though I’m at a huge loss now. What about you guys? Warning though it’s not a dividend counter so can be painful to hold for too long.
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post Mar 5 2021, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(infested_ysy @ Mar 5 2021, 11:31 AM)
amazing la, how quickly market sentiments change.

just a couple weeks ago everyone was saying tech is amazing, malaysia tech companies have bright future, must keep buying, then see now? gone were the days of RM6.6 Greatec. don't know when will go back to that level
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Exactly, it’s been a crazy roller coaster ride. One second we’re feeling FOMO at the stocks with didn’t buy, another second we bought the stocks thinking ini kalilah! then the trend starts reversing.
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post Mar 5 2021, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(skty @ Mar 5 2021, 04:06 PM)
Hello guys. I top up KGB at 1.91  rclxm9.gif
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I’m super jelly! Good catch!
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post Mar 5 2021, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Mar 5 2021, 05:53 PM)
Important lessons to be learned from buying KGB.

1. To hold or to cut when your losses reach -10%? Depends on whether you are an investor or a trader.

2.  If you are an investor, is the stock already full valued in the first place?

3.  For those buying KGB hoping for a rebound today, were there any adverse insider news for the company which was only released TODAY after the stock dropped yesterday.

4. Playing rebound is not easy especially when there is no MOS for the stock and unknown insider news. Otherwise, everyone would be a multi-millionaire.

5. Reports from analysts for the TP is only a guide. Sometimes, the stock analysts or IBs have a vested interest in promoting a particular stock. We still need to do our own research.

6. [please add your own lesson]

If KGB does not rebound next Monday and if anyone followed me to buy KGB yesterday, then a thousand apologies from me. But I did post all the warning signs about KGB yesterday before jumping in....

Let's wait until next Monday. It ain't over until the fat lady sings. smile.gif

Have a good weekend.
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Thanks for sharing uncle.

For me I learned the lesson that I entered KGB at a high price without a clear, sober head. I was thinking that I entered with an investor mindset, I was planning to hold for the longer term. But why did I feel the desperation when my paper profit turner into paper loss? I should only feel concerned if I’m a trader and don’t believe in the company’s fundamentals.

So I felt I bought to early when the trend was strong due to FOMO. Should’ve waited for a better value to enter, a good bargain, as some investor would say.
I was also heavily influenced by Kenanga’s 3.1 TP back then. It was a combination of many mistakes. Guess it’s not easy to stay calm and sober in bursa.

GREED and FEAR are the evil twin brothers we should be aware of. One leads you to chase high from FOMO, the latter makes you cut loss when the market sentiment suddenly turns sour. Ignore all the white noise, invest carefully.

Happy weekend to all!
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post Mar 5 2021, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Mar 5 2021, 06:35 PM)
I didn't...still holding on, although...jangan la turun too much next week cuz I've learnt my lesson from gloves...if -% is too huge, just CL. Protect capital is the most important thing as I've learnt from others here. Last time dungu don't know how to do it, stayed so bloody stubborn on gloves - now, don't want liao...call me weak or whatever, it's okay. People is meant to change, and appetite, courage, etc. also changes with time and experience. 

Most will say if you're investing, then shouldn't be scared to hold, etc. That is true also. But won't apply it for my case, for this stock, since I don't know enough about it to be confident.
I almost rarely trust the TPs anyone publishes. FOS to me, after seeing what happened to many stocks they 'predicted'. I sound bitter, I know, haha...but how often their predictions have been off, you tell me.
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I CL on some other very old stocks (bought before I learned FA) to buy KGB in hope to gain back my initial capital, I’ll faint if I need to CL again. But holding onto a super low dividend stock is equally as painful.

Before buying KGB, I checked Kenanga’s TP history and found that a few of them did reach the targets somehow, so I gave them the benefit of doubt. Silly way to verify I know... learned my lesson the painful way.

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post Mar 5 2021, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Mar 5 2021, 06:38 PM)
Okie one, Uncle, no need apologize...everyone here is accountable for their own decisions. I'm saying this so you wont stop sharing more insights, haha

Same lesson from my side.
But just wanted to add...sometimes, you dont know what really is the 'better value' unless you're a technical chart analysis nerd, and even then you may be not close to the prediction of best low price to buy. So, if you're not one, then we can only try and gauge. And when we do, we can kantoi, like this now, haha

Random thought, I find it hard to train myself up to be a long term investor (>5 years) in Bursa after experiencing so much with it. Probably will not be one.
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Jiejie/Auntie, how many years have you been in Bursa actually?
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post Mar 5 2021, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(buddy @ Mar 5 2021, 06:42 PM)
I topup KGB a bit today..now holding at 2.02...
Fat lady says she is going to sing her lungs out on monday
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Ah crap I cant get more theater tickets in time. Guess I’ll listen to fei po from the window
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post Mar 5 2021, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Mar 5 2021, 07:04 PM)
Haha, please don't call me Auntie, I'll faint. Are you in 20s? tongue.gif
I only joined last year. Very new like kindergarten kid compared with all the Masters holders here happy.gif
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Hi jiejie, yes I’m thankfully still in my 20s even though not for long. I need to invest aggressively before I get old but bursa bullies me.
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post Mar 5 2021, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(YH1234 @ Mar 5 2021, 06:49 PM)
i am a bit perplexed if one could really discern the mindset of a trader or a investor. the main reason i allocate 10k for so called trading is because that is the max for goreng counter, mainly glove and tech. this is the only self control discipline approach i can think of to regulate myself.
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What if, you invested 10k on the trend stock as “trading”, it increased by 300-500%, will you regret not sailang?

Ya I agree with you it’s nt easy to draw the fine line between an investor vs a trader. Maybe we’re all just gamblers tbh, gamblers of different risk appetite. Some gamblers can use margin, buy warrants / fundamental-less penny stocks, our appetite small but deep down we still kinda gambling around, under the disguise of an investor / trader. Ikan bilis like us just want to feel an adrenaline rush in the never-ending rat race, such is life. This innate tendency is further manipulated by the those who control the game, to further their gains. False hope, that’s what keep ppl trying.

Damn I shouldn’t have spilled the truth. Happy weekend again!

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