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SUSslimey
post Jan 27 2016, 04:16 PM


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QUOTE(doodleman @ Jan 27 2016, 12:39 PM)
Hey guys, my baby's bilirubin reading just hit an all time high of 262 (prolonged jaundice btw). So, the KK gave me a referral letter to go to the hospital for further actions to be taken. So i went to Putrajaya hosp on the same day, hoping to get phototherapy for my baby, and to my horror, the nurse at the pediatric counter told me that she would give me a scheduled consultation for next wednesday! After being stunned a little, i asked her can it wait that long?! She replied that my baby is only 17 days old and they only look after babies who are 21 days and/or older. WTF?!

What should i do? i'm considering going to a private hospital now as i worry if i wait for wednesday it'll be too late and the bilirubin levels might increase some more. Any suggestions? should i wait? So worried!
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1. calm down.
2. is your child born term? if yes then day 17 old is prolonged jaundice for your child.
if that is the case, there's no real harm to jaundice except that the child looks yellow. there is NO risk for kernicterus for prolonged jaundice as the blood brain barrier is developed now, and thus there is NO need for phototherapy.

as long as it is only jaundice and not anything else like fever or unable to feed, it's fine.

This post has been edited by slimey: Jan 27 2016, 04:17 PM
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post Jan 27 2016, 04:27 PM


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QUOTE(doodleman @ Jan 27 2016, 04:26 PM)
she was born at 38 weeks. is that considered normal?
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yes. that's term.
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post Jan 27 2016, 05:45 PM


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QUOTE(rapple @ Jan 27 2016, 05:03 PM)
yup normal. no worries bro, jaundice is normal and as 1st time parents we tend to get a bit too panic at times.. haha

We didn't go to government clinic due to the attitude of the nurses that came to our house. Simply write on the paper said jaundice level at a high level. How they measure? just use eye see only ~ !  mad.gif

I think my baby jaundice goes away around 1 month plus naturally.
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Yes. Use eye can see.

Estimate is quite accurate if child never exposed to phototherapy or sun light.
If jaundice up to head 50, up to neck 100, upper chest 150, upper abdomen 200 below belly button 250, hands and feet 300.
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post Jan 27 2016, 05:53 PM


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QUOTE(mechanicalKB @ Jan 27 2016, 04:39 PM)
our kids had jaundice too and was hospitalized for a few days but then
after not much improvement we self discharged him and did some traditional
practice and within the same number of days that he spent in the hospital
he was back to normal again

went back to the hospital to do checking that's what they are good for
scanning and checking but not healing, and they said whatever you did
just continue la he is ok already, we don't need to know what you did
goodbye
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A lot depends on the age of the child.

Day 1 jaundice is always a big sign of problem and must be hospitalized.
Day 2-14 jaundice can be physiological or pathological. If no other sign other than jaundice, then the indication for phototherapy depends on the age of child, weight, blood type, any g6pd, and whether the child is term or not.
Day 14 and above is considered prolonged jaundice ( above day 21 for preterm child) and phototherapy is not required but need to investigate cause of prolonged jaundice( urinary tract infection, breast milk jaundice, hypothyroidism, etc). If all investigation is normal result, then conclude is breast milk jaundice which is not harmful and no treatment is required.
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post Jan 27 2016, 06:58 PM


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QUOTE(doodleman @ Jan 27 2016, 06:56 PM)
so r u suggesting i should stick to next wednesday's appointment?
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I need to know the previous levels and days of life the level is at first to be on the safe side

Oh and if you don't mind, can pm me the referral letter to have a look also. I am curious why the doctor refer to hospital.

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post Jan 31 2016, 05:28 PM


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QUOTE(NoNameSake @ Jan 31 2016, 05:01 PM)
FYI if one of the parent of a child that are O type blood, the child have the highest percentage having high jaundice level, if for normal parents that aren't O type blood, the jaundice will recover after a few weeks or by giving the child BF milk every 2 hours.  that's why your son jaundice will only recover after a few month, i know this because my cousin husband is O type blood and their son jaundice only recover after 6 month, they have to go to the hospital often to take blood test, but don't worry, always BF your child, and always on the alert and follow the doctor advise because if your son jaundice doesn't reduce, your child might have to do blood transplant, that one thing u must worry....
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Eem. Some corrections.

Blood type matters because of possibility of something called abo incompatibility. It can happen when mother blood group is o and baby blood group is not o. Anti-a and anti-b antigen from mother can be present in baby blood in such cases and can cause hemolysis in baby increasing the bilirubin level.
Anyway, this is usually a factor in the first week or so. Not in prolonged jaundice.
Exchange transfusion is not needed in prolonged jaundice also.
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post Dec 30 2017, 05:47 PM


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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 30 2017, 03:37 PM)
I think its crazy to feed baby with breast milk during jaundice.

BREAST MILK IS THE CAUSE OF THE JAUNDICE!!!

Just remove breastmilk and feed with powder.
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nope.

there's many reasons for jaundice............

breastmilk is a rare cause.

and breastmilk jaundice is harmless. to stop breast feeding because of breastfeeding jaundice cause more harm than good.
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post Dec 30 2017, 06:45 PM


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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 30 2017, 06:18 PM)
Just stop few days until it's ok. There is no harm.
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those that stop a few days then ok is not breast milk jaundice.

duh.

and there's no harm to breast milk jaundice.........no reason to stop.
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post Dec 30 2017, 08:56 PM


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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 30 2017, 08:46 PM)
Stop few days of Breast milk and jaundice clear up is definitely Breast milk jaundice. Any jaundice is harmful. And almost all are Breast milk jaundice case due to bilirubin cannot clear.
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nope.

jaundice is just yellow looking of the skin. the real harm is high level of bilirubin before the blood brain barrier is fully formed which is at day 14 for term babies. high level of bilirubin before day 14 can cause kernicterus. after that there's no harm in jaundice.

neonatal jaundice is caused by increased break down of fetal type red blood cell.
physiological neonatal jaundice can occur in about 40 percent of neonates. the jaundice in physiological jaundice hardly ever pass the point requiring phototherapy.
pathological jaundice occurs when there is infection or ABO antigen antibody incompatibility or Rhesus factor antibodies occur in the neonates. these can cause very high level of jaundice and usually occur very early in neonates.

so, if you stop breast feeding before day 14 how do you know if it is due to breast milk jaundice or not?

and breast milk jaundice never cause high level of bilirubin.

zero indication to stop breast feeding in a child with jaundice.

now stop spreading this ignorance and get educated.
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post Dec 30 2017, 09:03 PM


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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 30 2017, 09:02 PM)
Well, the bilirubin count is 200 before stopping and it drop to 100 after stopping.
If it's not the stopping then it's what?  No phototheraphy  after the stopping.
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blablabla.

many reasons.

time.

baby liver can mature over time.

blablabla......

what's your indication for stopping breast feeding again????
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post Dec 30 2017, 09:05 PM


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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 30 2017, 09:04 PM)
Bilirubin exist in breast milk.
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no it doesn't.

read more.
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post Dec 30 2017, 09:09 PM


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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 30 2017, 09:08 PM)
Well that's what I read. Either it has or if causes. Well, stopping a few days help. That's my experience.
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then you read wrong.

no one will diagnose breast milk jaundice before day 14.
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post Dec 30 2017, 09:12 PM


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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 30 2017, 09:11 PM)
Well it works. so whether u wanna believe it or not, up to u.

Probably around 14 days. Give or take 1 or 2 days.
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and so?

most jaundice clear on its own by that time.

take it or leave it.
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post Dec 30 2017, 09:18 PM


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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 30 2017, 09:14 PM)
Ok. Some say  eating ginger cause jaundice....  LoL.  That is more absurd...
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yes absurd indeed.
studies were done and found no correlation.
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post Dec 30 2017, 09:24 PM


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QUOTE(alucard_my @ Dec 30 2017, 09:12 PM)
Try having a baby, 7th day, went photo treatment...21 days later readmitted. Full breastmilk. Stopped on day 21-30. Continue after that. No more Jaundice. That's my son. He's 8 now. If you suspect Jaundice from breastmilk, no harm stopping a few days. My son was on bmilk all the way till 2.
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readmitted for what?

day 21 don't even require phototherapy.
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post Dec 30 2017, 09:36 PM


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QUOTE(alucard_my @ Dec 30 2017, 09:33 PM)
Readmitted for Jaundice. Imagine how heartbroken we were.
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day 21 is prolonged jaundice.

no reason to readmit to hospital. kk should be able to carry out investigation.

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post Dec 30 2017, 11:55 PM


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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 30 2017, 09:49 PM)
I know. Skin dry up. Under hot light. Very sad thing to do to your baby.
Why investigate when you can solve by phototeraphy? Sometimes just use shortcut. No need investigate here and there.  biggrin.gif
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why phototheraphy for prolonged jaundice?
no point.

better to investigate cause of jaundice. if rule out all the cause then it is just harmless breast milk jaundice.
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post Dec 30 2017, 11:56 PM


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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 30 2017, 09:50 PM)
I will be very sad if you're my son's paedi.
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i'll be sad for you..........for not empowering yourself with knowledge
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post Dec 31 2017, 07:32 AM


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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 31 2017, 02:52 AM)
For parent, breast milk jaundice is still bad news. Anything above 200 of bilirubin still bad for health even through its caused by breast milk.
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Nope.

Phototherapy is contraindicated for prolonged jaundice.
Bilirubin at 200 for day 14 is not even high. Don't require phototherapy.
And bilirubin at 200 at day 14 cause no harm
Nothing bad for health


 

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