Hi guys , i'm not sure this is the right section but I'm pretty sure there are a lot of PC Jedi here


Budget : 200-250
Requirement : CPU COOLER (currently using stock cooler , cpu is FX-6300)
Current status : Temperature around 60-something when playing GTA V , dota , starcraft etc . It scares me

So what is the best option for me ? Liquid cooler ? Air cooler ? Why should I choose this one over the other one ?

I'm not going to OC my rig (for now.........probably )

I seriously appreciate any suggestion and also please indicate the reason . I am a newbie for these things !

Planning to buy the cooler this weekend @ lowyat . Also suggestion for the best shop , if possible ?

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3840078

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...2&hl=id+cooling (Noctua (Air) / ID Cooling (AIO)

if Air, go for noctua, if AIO, well, any brand that fit your budget.

60c is ok'ish when gaming. Aircon room?

At your budget range, air cooling is often better than liquid cooling.
Remember to take into account of the RAM clearance and socket type.

Noctua is decent, but Cryorig is cheaper. If want cheaper, CM 212x.

I am using Cryorig H5 Universal, temp is ~35c idle, ~39c during gaming (controlled fan).
Also, ~26c idle with all fan maxed, room temp is 24c.

Thanks man !

No aircon

That's why I've been wondering . Say if I use fan - wouldn't it be sucking hot air into my pc ? My room is quite hot I tell ya + this el nino season = burnnnnnn

What about Corsair ?

BTW , what a nice temp u got there

If you're not in an aircond room, make sure your room is well ventilated first, kind of funny to think of it as a big PC case, installing a ventilation fan will help.

Running on air cooling (cooler master hyper 212 evo), only problem is the build up dirts that I have to clean my PC case often.

This post has been edited by Kellicros: Jan 19 2016, 11:44 AM

imho

price
chepest aio watercooler = top tier aircooler

performance
top tier aircooler>-chepest aio watercooler


unless u have the budget to go to top tier aio watercooler why not.

Corsair product is more mid-range. Unless you pay more.

Better buy from those specialized in cooling solution.

Thanks guys for the replies . Damn I learn a lot of new products today .. Noctua ..Cryorig.. now I've gotten more confuse

Now suggest me 1 cooler and I will go and buy it ! End of the week I will upload the image of my new cooler

I just got my self Silverstone AR03 for rm175 in LYP, the fan I never use instead using 2 Coolermaster's Sickleflow fans with push-pull configuration. At ambient temperature of 32°C in my room(thanks to this bloody El-nino), my FX-8320 is maintaining at 42°C and thermal margin of 46-50°C.
Why I don't use the original Silverstone fan? It is because it is not that quiet when on full speed and the flow are not as high as CM's fans.
But if you don't want to follow this route, can just use the original fan and see how it goes.

Almost every other after-market cooler (> RM80) will be a significant improvement over stock cooler.

At 60-something degrees, any after-market cooler, (CM 212, or even TX3) should bring it down 10-15 degrees easily, as long as your casing ventilation is adequate.

60C while gaming is very 'cool' temp for me. i wont invest any cooler if i were you.

And how do you think water cooling works?

Did you know that Water-cooling is actually Air cooling?

In water cooling, the water (liquid substance) is used to carry heat to the radiator. The radiator still relies on AIR to cool it, just like how it is with cars.

Break the fan and you can see the whole system breakdown, even though the pump is still working.

price? Nope, top tier air cooler is 2x or more than lowest AIO.

performance? Top tier air cooler is not only better than lowest AIO but better than even mid / high AIO.

Top Tier air cooler like the Noctua NH-D15 can out perform ThermalTake Water 3.0 Ultimate (360mm radiator!)

http://www.goldfries.com/hardware-reviews/...eatsink-review/

The only way I see how water cooling can beat air-cooling, is to go custom WC of which each CPU waterblock costs more than the AIO system itself.

That's just waterblock, haven't consider the pump, radiator, fans, tubes, coolant and fittings.

totally agree on this post

unless you're willing to spend for a full custom WC (for me, it costed me well over 3k, basically ANOTHER decent/entry to mid level gaming pc), you're better off sticking with mid/top end air coolers like noctua d15 or majority of their offerings.

I have a mixed of AIO and tower coolers.

I use AIO simply because it's easier for me to meddle around with processor change, RAM change and what not.

If it was a machine that's to go on long run with lower maintenance, I'll go tower (air) cooler any day. With good air cooler you can even run fanless.

Even custom WC wouldn't suit my purpose because my rigs (yes I have many) evolve all the time. It's tedious when the system is custom WCed, especially if you're running multiple GPU, or have GPU and CPU within the same loop.

You can't just yank the thing out like an AIO or tower cooler. Need to take care to drain the coolant and all.

I read all your explanation .

Damn that was sick . You really know what you are doing

Thank you for your time explaining all those things for me . Maybe I'll visit LYP this weekend and see what can I get . Maybe a AIO L.cooler + few casing fan (CM sickleflow / jetflo ) or maybe I will grab 1 air cooler , depending on the availability .

of course bro, he's one of LYN reviewer. advise from him is gold
for me : AIO = aesthetic 60% : 40% performance
Air cooler = 100% performance
but then, i got the AIO as it look cleaner for me (personal preference).

so it depends on what you looking for within your budget, in the end, be happy with your purchase

viewnet got noctua D15

but imho/personally, i dont see the benefits of AIO's.

they are in between air and custom wc's, it's like a half bucket solution.
i personally prefer to either do it once/do it right, or not do it at all, in this case, either full custom WC or just stick with simple air cool

Ahh no la, I'm not LYN reviewer. I run my own site.

I also have many coolers in my lab, too many already. Today just arrive a few models of air cooler for upcoming video, last week arrived 2 units of AIO.

WC just have to be aware of the risk, regardless custom or AIO.

One of my AIO leaked before, it was an NZXT. Not to day it's a bad product but bad stuff do happen. I've also heard of Corsair AIO that got recalled from shops due to quality issues.

For my case my AIO leaked, the board was some what dead for a while. Once all coolant dried off the board came alive again.

Easier to setup and neater than big heatsinks lor.

Try installing stuff like Noctua D15 or say Thermalright Arrow SB-E and such.

In some cases it's near impossible to install without dismantling the board.

Small (some) casings work great with AIO too. For example casing like Thermaltake Core V1. Here's the top down view of my unit.



At that size, it's impossible to fit many tower coolers. Mid / small ones are fine but they lack the aesthetics and cooling capacity might be limited, especially when you're running higher power draw processors.

well i'm not one for aesthetics (most of the time anyways, i mean, i got my bike delayed 4 months just because i want red color rofl), and i do own (and still using) a thermal right IFX14, ex king until the noctua dethroned them

i just recently replaced the fans too as the final fan (installed 2 lol) died and my pc thermal shut down from cpu exceeding 100c rofl.
well, 2 wire clips, not too bad aside the few minor skin cuts from the fins lol

i'd still go with air (if im not into wc) since i dont really replace the fans all the damn time.
but yes, if you want aesthetics, or have a small casing, then you're right that water AIO would be a good solution.

air cooler...can't go wrong with hyper 212x..good fellas in LYN suggested me this last time..has been running perfectly in my rig for the last 2 years..couldn't be more happier, it cools my fx8350 by about 20-25 degrees compared to stock cooler (before wraith came)

1. Aesthetics
2. More free area to work around the processor / PWM
3. Lower possibility of bending the motherboard as the waterblock/pump is very light compared to high end air cooler
4. Easier to change / upgrade the RAMs since some high end air cooler does block the RAM slots
5. You don't have to worry about the heatsink breaking the motherboard when you move the CPU around

since malaysia is HOT, how's the reliability of liquid cooling hoses of AIO CLC? rubber rot? will it last for >5years?

i'm more concern about the reliability than cooling performance. water cooling setup is neat though. besides that, certain graphics card are only available in wc solution (Fury X & Radeon Pro Duo)

This post has been edited by Skylinestar: Mar 18 2016, 06:08 PM

majority just go with 1

for good tubing, it isn't purely rubber, or even rubber at all.

considering the thickness/material of my primochill, i think it'll last longer than my lifetime LOL!

took me a bit of effort to cut it, and stuff it into my compression fittings

it really depends on what you wanna achieve, with tradeoffs.

personally i use aio on cpu because i think it's quieter, easier to install, give me more space to swap stuff (air coolers are bulky), and it's relatively cheaper than custom wc. (the bonus is aesthetic look hehe)

i also use aio to cool gpu. it's much more efficient without making noise, and i use the same aio and gpu bracket for different generations of gpu. (cheap; it's poor man's gpu cooling lol)

will go for custom wc when i have time. plan to put rads outside and away from the rig. it will take up more space but i think it's much better than cranking these hot stuff inside the rig, having less parts that leak inside the rig, interfering air flow and all.

Nothing beats passive-cooled unit for silent cooling, using big air-cooler heatsink.

i guess so. lemme save some extras first lol

Thermaltake Water 3.0 Ultimate:
http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model_...x?id=C_00002345
Tube Material : Rubber

NZXT mentions Rubber in its spec. I guess Corsair, Arctic Cooling & other AIO too cos all using the ASETEK design.

http://www.primochill.com/product/primofle...dshed-red-copy/
plastic i guess.

then there's acrylic/hard tubing.

I've read many comments on reddit and tomshardware about their corsair hydro hoses crack, which really fears me. As this is Malaysia with hot and humid temp, i'm worried that the AIO hoses might not last long.

Those with plastic/acrylic are for dedicated water cooling setup, not AIO CLC. My questions are pertaining to AIO CLC.

oh you didn't mention specifically.

well, up to you, inspect the rubber condition more often, and it should still be fine.

+1 love air cooler + silent .... it only get noisy when it's rendering something hard ....

It won't get noisy at all if you're running passive.

well if you want to put it that way yes !!! hahaha

if i wana go water it must be the full on part by part setup not those AIO

since i dont have the money i use air cooler, using D15 and its great..easy to install even it's big and worry free everyday use..good for uncle like me lol

if only it can be done on nvidia 980Ti and AMD furyX

Air cooler Noctua Nh-D15 user. Have been using this cooler more than 2 years. I switched from a Aio water cooler due to tube broken, water leaked. then after using Noctua NH-D15, feeling happy and no need to worry the water tube broken or caring about the water bump noise. The bad is only big. The good is silent and good temperature. Very stable.





This post has been edited by hotwebs: Apr 6 2016, 12:01 AM

dam i like the big size cooler very much

but my p8z77-m doesn't allow me to get noctua nh d15, want find LGA1155 mobo that can fit the cooler also cant. too old all no one selling liao.

currently using cm hyper 212+

If not using OC,, just use air cooler.

That should be sufficient enough.

Nuff said

i would say AIO water cooling is best balance between the two.

I used to be skeptical on using water cooling because I am afraid of leakage which can short the system. So I stay away from water cooling for many years until I have like 5 fans in my system and I do not overclock. Until I needed to look for a solution that create less noise. So I tried AIO water cooling and love it! It is totally silent and performance is great! I still do not recommend DIY water cooling as it is expensive and need a lot of tinkering from the user. AIO water cooling is easy to install and works better than air cooling without the noise.

how about the tube ? do it can tahan the malaysia weather and go without breaking down ?

Don't know if this is a right place to ask, but here goes. Is it beneficial to upgrade from ID Cooling 240mm aio to corsair h115i 280mm aio? Is there any significant improvement on temperature? My rig is using i56600k running at 4.6ghz@1.32v with max core temps reaching 85c. Just changed thermal paste to kyronaut grizzly. Any comments please? Thanks.

This post has been edited by arffrhn: Mar 7 2017, 10:27 AM

Your temp is constantly 85c? What are you running that keeps your CPU at peak?

In any case, 280mm rad is definitely better in cooling compared to 240mm rad. Do also note that the fans play a part in the cooling process too

Yes

Umm not constantly 85c. Only during under load during benchmark or stress test. Normal gaming load hovers around 50c average. I am currently using stock fans that comes with the aio. On paper spec says it have 84.5cfm and 3.2mmH2O static pressure. Btw, any fans suggestion for radiator?

No need to change la since you say under normal usage condition avg temp is 50C. Btw, don't bench or stress test unnecessarily. Doing so reduces the lifespan of your rig. In any case if for some reason you still want to change your fans, you will need those that provide static pressure. For case fans, fans designed for higher airflow is required.

Yea well. Was itching to get it to stable 4.7ghz but can't due to insufficient cooling. Yup, might gonna get some new sp fans cu id cooling stock fans are very loud under load. Thanks for advice bro. Appreciate it.

For good (and quieter) fans, I always prefer Noctua.

NOTED
Tyvm

I bumped my A8 5600k APU up 500mhz for daily use. It's been grilled with 1.452v since November 2013. Lately it flopped easily at OCCT. Waiting for Ryzen to mature really and will jump to 1500x.

And yeah using Hyper EVO cooler push pull setup in a Scout Storm II casing plus 3 more fans, one suck the air in from the side and two blow out to rear and up. The rig really warms the room when gaming indicating the venting is doing the job right. Something about APU temp reading is a miss where no single monitoring soft can get it right. Currently using HWinfo and max read shows 100c. Meh it's been like that since 2013, if it's true the proc and board should be dead already.

And yea since my air cooler is doing it's job splendidly, changing to AIO water cooler is out of the window already. Yes, nothing beats a custom water cooling (when it's not leaking ya hahahah) but if you're potato lazy like me use big air cooler with lotsa fans.

This post has been edited by PedangGila: Mar 20 2017, 03:58 AM

Air cooler is sufficient for your need and you don't do overclocking as well. My Hyper 212 Evo is a cheap air cooler and it still rocks up-to-date. But they are bulky and consume lots of space inside your CPU tower. AIO cooler is minimal in dimension and it looks nice while cools better, but is priced higher.