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CheAd
post Jan 19 2016, 09:47 AM

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reading up till now I think a raft foundation would be enough.
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post Jan 19 2016, 09:50 AM

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but if you have the time, better consult structural engineer who will in turn engage and supervise a geophysical engineer who will conduct a good soil test.
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post Jun 14 2017, 03:21 AM

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Judt to add on to the topic... if is rc footing what is the thing that need to watch out?
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post Jun 14 2017, 08:00 AM

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QUOTE(marhom85 @ Jun 14 2017, 03:21 AM)
Judt to add on to the topic... if is rc footing what is the thing that need to watch out?
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The soil condition
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post Jun 14 2017, 11:37 PM

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M2c. Don't think u need piling. M2c.
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post Jun 16 2017, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(caskil88 @ Jan 17 2016, 04:53 PM)
Hi all,

I have planned to extend my wet kitchen. The area to extend is 18' x 5'.
The problem i facing now is do i need piling or not for single story 18' x 5' area.

My neighbor is extending his wet kitchen also. His contractor told him that the soil in our housing area is soft. And need RC piling to do extension.
If not , the wall will crack since the house will sink for a period. He also claimed that even use kayu bakau also cannot stand for it.

But the problem now is another contractor that i meet up, he told me actually no need pilling, using large footer then already can extend the area.

One of my cousin also is working as contractor, but he is not working in KL area. He also claimed that have no need piling for just 18' x 5' area.
If i worry about the sink, use thicker steel + larger foot is good than enough for it.
So i hope you all can share your experience to me.

Thanks a lot for your advise. Appreciate all the comments.
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18'x 5' no need piling. Just get a raft foundation done. 18'x5' will be a separate independent structure, no need to tie back to main structure.

You can use alternative way to reduce the extension weight by using steel structure as frame, light weight bricks for walls.

I also wonder how the contractor install the RC pile? bringing the pilinng machine into the site? hmm.gif hmm.gif
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post Jun 21 2017, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(Pucca&Garu @ Jun 16 2017, 04:58 PM)

I also wonder how the contractor install the RC pile? bringing the pilinng machine into the site? hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Yup, its a smaller pilling machine than those use in construction but the sound and vibration is deafening.

Crack some of the neighbor wall too (adjacent one) those across the street is okay.
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post Jul 28 2020, 08:30 AM

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Hi,
Would like to ask related question to this.
My house extension is as below. The areas I marked with yellow will be double storey extension, the others are not, but will support RC slab. Contractor plan for piling at point A, B and some other points further away. Problem is, neighbour has kitchen extension that is next to point A( he didn't do piling). I am worried piling will cause cracks in my neighbour's wall. Contractor says he will do cantilever from neighbour's footing pad. But I am still worried. Can I get away with not doing piling for point A, only wide footing?

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post Jul 28 2020, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(Dfuzzy @ Jul 28 2020, 08:30 AM)
Hi,
Would like to ask related question to this.
My house extension is as below. The areas I marked with yellow will be double storey extension, the others are not, but will support RC slab. Contractor plan for piling at point A, B and some other points further away. Problem is, neighbour has kitchen extension that is next to point A( he didn't do piling). I am worried piling will cause cracks in my neighbour's wall. Contractor says he will do cantilever from neighbour's footing pad. But I am still worried. Can I get away with not doing piling for point A, only wide footing?

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'B' also no guarantee your house or neighbour's house wall wont crack.
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QUOTE(Dfuzzy @ Jul 28 2020, 08:30 AM)
Hi,
Would like to ask related question to this.
My house extension is as below. The areas I marked with yellow will be double storey extension, the others are not, but will support RC slab. Contractor plan for piling at point A, B and some other points further away. Problem is, neighbour has kitchen extension that is next to point A( he didn't do piling). I am worried piling will cause cracks in my neighbour's wall. Contractor says he will do cantilever from neighbour's footing pad. But I am still worried. Can I get away with not doing piling for point A, only wide footing?

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Doesnt matter neighbor have kitchen extension or do piling or not ... when you whack that pile in ... KLF your neighbor wall will have crack.

Since its just an extension with rc slab, footing it self is enough, A + B. Number 4 how ? Pile ?

From B to number 4 is around 14'+ which is quite a distance.
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What is KLF?
Between B and 4, there is another piling point. There is soil settling in the region, as the car porch area also had some tiles issue. So contractor gonna go ahead with piling (with cantilever at point A). I am just praying the damage, if it does occur, will not be major.
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QUOTE(Dfuzzy @ Jul 28 2020, 09:38 PM)
What is KLF?
Between B and 4, there is another piling point. There is soil settling in the region, as the car porch area also had some tiles issue. So contractor gonna go ahead with piling (with cantilever at point A). I am just praying the damage, if it does occur,  will not be major.
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My bad. KLF (KonLanFirm)

Cantilever @ A souldnt be a problem since just a rc slab on top provided not going to be future 2nd floor there.

Piling between B and 4 will effect your neighbor ? depends on pile size, depth and luck.

Have you inform neighbor you gonna do piling ? Cakap dulu (baik baik) inform if there is crack please let you know and you will get contractor to repair and repaint.
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Thanks for feedback. Have already discussed with neighbour. Explained that we will fix if any damage occur. Pictures also taken of inside and outside his house before piling.
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post Jul 29 2020, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(Dfuzzy @ Jul 28 2020, 10:30 PM)
Thanks for feedback. Have already discussed with neighbour. Explained that we will fix if any damage occur. Pictures also taken of inside and outside his house before piling.
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most probably your contractor using bakau pile and an A frame rig. Else use traditional method with 2 workers jumping on it. I would be more concerned with 1a - 4 as that has double storey. my usual concern is if using bakau and water table is low, it rots easily without water. Expect to have cracks on walls as secondary settlement occurs. Best you take picture of your neighbour's walls (their side) before commencing work to avoid future dispute since you promised to fix damage. FF to 6 is cantilever so most piling would occur at FF.

Edit: if using bakau make sure at least min 3" uniform throughout length. nowadays hard to find 4"

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post Sep 9 2021, 11:44 PM

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This is double storey house. I plan extend until End of toilet in 1st & 2nd floor. Estimate about 4 feet. Does this still require piling? Is footing is enough? Anyone does this?
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QUOTE(McLaren01 @ Sep 9 2021, 11:44 PM)
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This is double storey house. I plan extend until End of toilet in 1st & 2nd floor. Estimate about 4 feet. Does this still require piling? Is footing is enough? Anyone does this?
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Better to seek advise from a qualified person upon site inspection.

No thoughts of extending to the boundary ?
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post Sep 10 2021, 08:38 PM

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No thoughts of extending to the boundary ?
No. I have a plan with backyard...just that small space botering me.. so wanna make it useful by extend.

It will be costly if i need add piling just for the small space extension.
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post Oct 14 2021, 11:42 PM

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At the back of my house already has a brick wall. My contractor recommend that he can just up the steel frame (similar to this photo) and fill with bricks before top the roof with roof tiles. My size of extension is 22x5ft. Is this advisable over concrete pillar?
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post Oct 15 2021, 03:14 PM

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5 feet depth length Roof tile is not really heavy. if wall crack is your concerns just ask your contractor install a row of ground beam just below the new wall.

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