My friend keep physo me that PA with skull basher is not worth at all. It cannot stacks with her Ultimate, less damage less hp less armor, only 1.4sec stun with 25% chance.. And 2.9k gold can buy many other things..

Yes correct. PA already have blink, slow and attack speed. There is no need to stun for the opponent. If you want can take YnS to maim. Else, concentrate on attack damage and attack speed like Buriza or MKB. If got magic opponent then get BKB.

oh.. Also I always think of buying vlad instead of dominator. is that alright?

Vlad if you need constantly stay on lane and need dmg and mana. Dominator is normally for jungle farmer and late game to Satanic.

Your friend is pretty ignorant to say such things, he obviously has very very little knowledge on how PA works.

No that is incorrect. Especially against blinkers or magic immunity or invis targets. Your SnY and blink won't help you. Late game if there is an AM with MKB + basher what can you do? that's why turning it into abyssal is very important later on. Itemization is very important and it varies from game to game and draft from your team and opponent. You sound like a D1 player "Burzia" should never be picked on PA because she already has a 350% crit chance and that shit won't help. I am not sure how you guys analyze things. Pretty amazing.

Imo Basher is a good item, I dont see why u shouldnt get it

skull basher can be upgraded to abyssal which is useful to stun opposing carry before they pop their bkb.

tell your friend, pa + basher = owning , even if opponent have bkb , basher still pierce.

it boost hp and damage too

This post has been edited by JackW: Jan 16 2016, 09:15 PM

Yea, I also think that spending 2.9k for passive stun is worth it. Maybe my friend think patch 6.86 is more on early ganking and war. So buy cheap and valuable items are better, higher survivabiliy and can join war if needed.

Ignore your friends, how much your friends solo MMR?

I think is really depend on situations. Opponent line up, your team hero selection deviate this pretty much.

For example, if your team already have 2 aoe stunner, then PA better get a high damage item rather than a basher.

I don't think there's a fix way of playing in D2. D1 yes maybe but D2 no way. I've played and seen a lot of rigid players. They will always buy the same item regardless of situation.

Whether basher is useful for PA or not will solely depends on your team mates and opponent. Learn to buy item depending on situation. The so called "pro" who says a hero must buy this and that really are

pa with basher later abyssal is dominating.

This post has been edited by linkinxmen: Feb 12 2016, 12:14 AM

can not agree more.... pa with basher might not be a good choice, but abyss... a very good example by abdool, am fury bkb manta mkb... wat 'other' items can help you? its the classic blink stun and pray for critical/backup to kill that over farmed am before he blinks away/manta/bkb you!!!

there is no fix build at all.... that is why you see bulldog's furion with blink dagger!!! and team game you will see sf meka... im noob in playing due to my slow finger but i do enjoy watching ppl play.

PA need that basher which later upgraded to abyssal especially when item like glimmer, force staff, eul or ghost scepter is a common pick up in the current meta.

a casual basher can be helpful if u need to man fight a carry with silver edge or dagon + scepter necro mid game

Black^ even bought refresher on PA after getting abyssal + bkb + satanic

Your friend is clearly inexperienced and very ignorant. One of the most important things to learn about Dota is that ITEMS ARE SITUATIONAL.

Skull basher may not be a core on PA, but it sure is necessary when you are against disablers, and especially useful when you are a ganking, snowballing PA.

The way PA works is that she needs to blink to the enemy hero and "go in for the kill". Hence why her ulti is called Coup de grace - i.e. she lands the killing blow with her crits.

The nature of her shaky ult is that it may not proc when you need it to, so increasing her chances of a lockdown on an enemy, especially a disabler or the BKB'd enemy carry, is very, VERY important. She's not the kind of right click hero who hits from the back like viper. Her positioning is very important and a lot of space needs to be created for her to lockdown and kill all enemies.


Why basher over mkb?

- Cheap for a very useful item
- less farm needed
- means can start snowball ganking early
- no stupid "mini stun" nonsense
- decent 1.4s BASH stun that procs 25% of the time

Later on:
- Can be upgraded into abyssal with a PURE UNBLOCKABLE stun for TWO WHOLE SECONDS. That's a shitton of time right there for the rest of your team to spam disable on hardass enemy carry, like medusa or something.
- Summore the bash still goes through 25% of the time, AFTEr the abyssal stun.

Both bash AND stuns go through BKB.

This post has been edited by zyrtec: Mar 29 2016, 10:44 PM

You dont stun before they pop bkb.

Abyssal *goes through* bkb. You let them waste their bkb and when it's finishing, then only you abyssal so your team can go in and spam spells and lockdowns.