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Terence573
post Jun 21 2019, 01:51 PM

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Hi 1st time here,

I've bought kg89 grinders lately and found out the grind was too coarse for espresso.

Anyone with tips on how to mod it?

*youtube shows dissasemble the whole unit while i see some ppl say mod the removable upper burr.
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post Jun 21 2019, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(lowkl @ Jun 21 2019, 03:00 PM)
Hi Terence 573,

I don't have a KG89 but just quickly reviewing a couple of YouTubes on the matter appear to propose the same thing, being to reset the adjustment so the steps can go finer. These mods don't appear to be destructive in that you can easily reverse the setting if you end up not liking what you get.

So go for whichever you feel most confident in executing.

Worst case scenario is the whole thing blows apart and you'll have a good reason to upgrade!
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Ya I bought this kg89 due to its mod'ability and fit my budget.

Now im thinking about the warranty... but since it didnt grind fine enough for espresso it deemed unusable anyways.

*Might be low risk since it's fitted with thermal fuse and I grind for 2 cup max each day.

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post Jun 21 2019, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(lowkl @ Jun 21 2019, 03:47 PM)
Any hologram tape preventing you from opening the grinder up? If none you can always rewind any mod should there be any reason to utilise the warranty. Anyways for the most part grinders are quite sturdy. Since you are into espresso, you'll probably be avoiding the lighter roasts with harder beans.

Seriously consider manual grinders that can meet espresso requirements for your next upgrade.
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Didnt try to open it up yet...will see to it..

By manual grinders do you mean machine type or hand?

I've 2 manual hand grinders,can grind from very fine to coarse with no problem..but the con is need a bit patient and time lol.

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post Jun 21 2019, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(lowkl @ Jun 21 2019, 08:17 PM)
I'm guessing the hand grinders you are using have ceramic burrs. These do take a lot of time. However, steel burr hand grinders are significantly faster. Typically around 120 revolutions will prep a 15g dose for espresso. About 50 seconds.
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ya u r right.Ceramics burr...any steel burr grinders recommendation?
Terence573
post Jun 22 2019, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(lowkl @ Jun 21 2019, 11:18 PM)
Lots these days, and most are quite easily accessible if you are ok to order online.

Let's see:
From the Western hemisphere
- Kinu (M47, Traveller, Phoenix)
- Commandante
- Lido E

From China
- 1Zpresso (so many models I'm completely confused) - I use the Pro
- ACE48
- Timemore
- Anonymous

For this quadrant of the galaxy, the China premium grinders give very high value for money. Under RM 400 delivered would get you quality espresso grounds.
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Hi just made the mod of the kg89 yesterday.

Now it grinds more fine than before and suitable for espresso.

But to grind that fine the metals of the grinder have to be as close as possible thus the screeching sound.😓

Will look up for those manual steel burr grinders as well.Hav seen reviews of some of it but the price was way over my budget haha.
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post Aug 16 2019, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(markgrynko1472 @ Aug 11 2019, 09:32 AM)
I totally understand the struggle of manual grinders! But yeah, there are many pros too--like longevity (I think I've gone thru 2 electric grinders now and my manual grinder is still as sturdy as ever). Also, I get too conscious about cleaning it up, because there could be molds hiding deep within the parts. For manual ones it's easier to take them apart and clean the parts while for electric... it's a complex matter. But I try anyway, coz I didn't want the quality (and safety) of my coffee to suffer. I seriously suggest "deep cleaning" the grinder regularly (a simple cleaning procedure I follow is in here: https://coffeforus.com/howto-clean-coffee-grinder/)
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Yes despite the kg89 being convenient and fast,it still doesn't grind consistent enough for a good espresso.Yesterday I tried to use back the basic ceramic burr grinder that I had been using and to my surprise the grind was far more consistent /finer than the kg89 and the shot didnt came out bitter as it did...maybe the kg89 just a bad grinder/investment...lol.any suggestion for a bang for buck grinder that does the job right? Online searches only show models that barely seen/sells here locally.
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post Aug 16 2019, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(jonuk @ Aug 16 2019, 08:03 PM)
Recently I tried started to feel that im getting headaches whenever I dont drink coffee on the morning or for a longer period of time. Did some research on the net and stumbled upon this article on negative caffeine effects https://coffeforus.com/negative-caffeine-effects/. Decided to quit coffee for some time to see if I can break the habit.
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From what I read,I most likely to get the anxiety after drinking coffee...but I'm just oozing 1 regular cup of espresso in the morning.
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post Aug 18 2019, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Aug 17 2019, 11:24 AM)
Kg89 is not the standard measure of quality... it's for ppl with cheap hotel room coffee percolator

Ask our friend few post back where he got this grinder
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Should be cheap and good enough... this should have the trespade burrs...

One step up will be the mignon everyone is buying here smile.gif
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Is this the mignon? Quite budget friend8ly at rm3xx.

#update : it seems lazada sells only the hopper only...😓

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post Apr 19 2020, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(pierreye @ Apr 8 2020, 08:17 PM)
Gemilai CRM 3605.

Stock setup the cons as below:
1. Thermoblock system might not able to keep the temperature stable.
2. Weak steam.
3. OPV not set to 9 bar and release the excess water flow to drip tray. In fact, safety valve would not open at 15 bar which is the max pressure generated by ULKA pump.
4. Flow rate too high. Recommendation is around 200-280ml / 30 seconds. I measure around 360-400ml / 30 second. Indirectly causing the pressure too high.
5. Single thermoblock machine. Can't brew and steam at the same time. If you only make a cup each time, then it's not a big issue. Only take less than 10 seconds heat up to steam temperature. If you want to brew second cup, just purge hot water from steam wand for 5s and temp will drop to brew temperature.

How to overcome the issue.

By heating up the water in the tank to 50 degree celcius (get this idea from Decent Espresso machine), I manage to solve issue 1 and 2. No more sourness in espresso and steam is more powerful and dryer. I heat up the water tank by running hot water from the steam wand for 30 second, then pour the hot water back into the water tank. Do this 3 times and it should be around 50 degree celcius (only when the tank is full).
As for pressure and flow rate, I install a solid state variable resistor to control the pump. Doing this I manage to control the pressure for pre infusion and ramp up the pressure to 9 bar when I see first drip of espresso from the bottom of the naked portafilter. By using lower pressure during pre infusion and let the puck fully saturated will reduce channeling issue.

Overall, I'm quite happy with the machine performance after mod. Temp control with PID and using standard 58mm portafilter, you can get lots of accessories for the machine. Also build in pressure gauge and brew timer (user changeable) which make it quite a good entry level machine.
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PID was not in the stock machine right?

I'm using kf6001 and was searching for an succesor.

this Gemilai CRM3605 seems fit my budget.

Is there any online tutorial to follow for the DIYs you do?

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post Apr 22 2020, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(pierreye @ Apr 19 2020, 08:46 PM)
CRM3605 is using PID stock. No mod needed on the temperature sensor unlike some other machine which is using analog thermostat. You just need to pre heat the water tank to around 50 degree celcius so that the thermoblock have more headroom to stabilize the temperature during brewing. Another advantage is more powerful steam when steaming milk.

The only mod you need to do is the pump. If you unscrew the bottom, you will see the connection for the pump. You just need to unplug the wire from the circuit board to the pump, tap the pump to the 500w dimmer switch or solid state regulator. I'm using solid state regulator with 100k ohm potentiometer. When brewing, turn the knob almost to the minimum. As I'm using bottomless portafilter, the pre-infusion take around 10 seconds and will saturate the puck. Turn the knob to increase the flow while watching the pressure gauge. Once it reach 9 bar, stop there and continue to extract. You can play around with the pressure during brewing process. One of my favourite method is to slowly ramp down the pressure to around 6 bar before reaching my desire extraction weight.

PS: Ignore the red switch. Previously use the red switch to manually switch on the heater for old Poemia espresso machine. Not use in Gemilai. The potentiometer come with the solid state regulator resistance is too high and at minimum will stall the pump.
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Kinda technical for me. sweat.gif

Anyhows I've replicated your method of dumping hot water back into the water tank for my current machine....

Somehow the shots were quite good and tasted less sour than usual.

 

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