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milan_rudi
post Apr 4 2020, 04:53 PM

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Hi there..
Sorry for jumpin

I just reading a couple pages back and found really nice discussion and recommendation for coffee itself..

I want to ask, is there any coffee bean that origin from malaysia itself?
Since i am foreigner who living here i just know that malaysia famous for ipoh coffee but when try to search the bean i couldnt found..
Is there any.?

Another one..
Is it possible for RM 1K to get proper espresso machine + grinder?? I know the question is asked all the time but really appreciate if someone can answer my question


Thanks

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post Apr 4 2020, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(milan_rudi @ Apr 4 2020, 04:53 PM)
Hi there..
Sorry for jumpin

I just reading a couple pages back and found really nice discussion and recommendation for coffee itself..

I want to ask, is there any coffee bean that origin from malaysia itself?
Since i am foreigner who living here i just know that malaysia famous for ipoh coffee but when try to search the bean i could found..
Is there any.?

Another one..
Is it possible for RM 1K to get proper espresso machine + grinder?? I know the question is asked all the time but really appreciate if someone can answer my question
Thanks
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Famous local ROASTED coffee here is similiar to Singapore style which is the Hainanese style - dark roasted Robusta or Liberica varietal coffee which is then stirred into margarine/sugar to form shinny clumps of black gold. This is then ground and sold to our commonly found Kopitiams to be made into our classic Kopi'O drinks. So if you're looking to taste our local culture coffee - many famous brands across Malaysia but of course the "White Coffee" brand stands out, majority believe to originate from Ipoh region.

As for locally GROWN coffee, example is Muar, Johor which grows Liberica varietal beans (which locally are also referred to as Elephant beans). Also there is My Liberica company which does the full journey from growing to roasting to serving Johor Liberica varietals but without sugar/margarine additions during roasting and prepping it more similarly to current modern espresso/drip styles.
There is also an upcoming company - Sabarica located in Sabah that has brought together local coffee farmers scattered across the Mt Kinabalu region. They grow exclusively Arabica varietal and is actively still exploring new processing and bringing new varietals into Sabah.

I currently have the Sabarica grown coffee in our roastery ( both washed and honey process ). So if this is something that you would want to try, let me know!

As for your espresso machine question - sorry to say 1k won't get you anywhere worth for espresso making. More pain than gain. Just go with drip to expand your sensory until you're ready to splurge around 4k-5k for a decent proper setup
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post Apr 4 2020, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Apr 4 2020, 08:56 PM)
Famous local ROASTED coffee here is similiar to Singapore style which is the Hainanese style - dark roasted Robusta or Liberica varietal coffee which is then stirred into margarine/sugar to form shinny clumps of black gold. This is then ground and sold to our commonly found Kopitiams to be made into our classic Kopi'O drinks. So if you're looking to taste our local culture coffee - many famous brands across Malaysia but of course the "White Coffee" brand stands out, majority believe to originate from Ipoh region.

As for locally GROWN coffee, example is Muar, Johor which grows Liberica varietal beans (which locally are also referred to as Elephant beans). Also there is My Liberica company which does the full journey from growing to roasting to serving Johor Liberica varietals but without sugar/margarine additions during roasting and prepping it more similarly to current modern espresso/drip styles.
There is also an upcoming company - Sabarica located in Sabah that has brought together local coffee farmers scattered across the Mt Kinabalu region. They grow exclusively Arabica varietal and is actively still exploring new processing and bringing new varietals into Sabah.

I currently have the Sabarica grown coffee in our roastery ( both washed and honey process ). So if this is something that you would want to try, let me know!

As for your espresso machine question - sorry to say 1k won't get you anywhere worth for espresso making. More pain than gain. Just go with drip to expand your sensory until you're ready to splurge around 4k-5k for a decent proper setup
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Hi Ymeng,

thanks for your respons. no wonder i couldnt find any roasted IPOH coffee bean.. as id like to drink black coffee without sugar so i think i dont want to try the stuff you mention about "IPOH Coffee" hehehe..
since im new into this coffee thing i would to try different type of coffee as i could.
so if you have some of local coffee bean could you PM me the link? if its around my budget maybe i would try..
i checked your link on your sigi but couldnt found the local coffee biggrin.gif..

as for espresso machine.
i used to drink black coffee since i was in highschool and become interest to know more from coffee world.
now i have manual hand grinder bought from my country and want to try and learn about espresso thing..
i read some couple pages back and some machine for under 1K mentioned.
like CM3605, ECP33.21 and etc.
i just wondering which brand who the most worth it to buy for that price. maybe you could give advise for this heheh

Thanks

This post has been edited by milan_rudi: Apr 4 2020, 09:51 PM
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post Apr 4 2020, 10:49 PM

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post Apr 4 2020, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Mar 31 2020, 04:13 PM)
Really not much you can do here.
Temperature on a HX machine (which utilizes pressure stat to control) always has limitations. You want to get yourself onto a PID controlled machine
That said, upgrading the basket might have turned out to be a "downgrade" since the other things cannot keep up to it
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Thanks for the advice.
It sounded as if I am getting to the threshold of the Oscar 1, but I will still see it from positive perspective before moving to a higher end machine. I will still want to invest in higher end grinder first when I must spend more smile.gif

For now, this is still a nice platform for me to:
1. Explore and learn better about the machine and variables that I can adjust
2. Learn more about taste
3. Continue to enjoy coffee smile.gif

I do see improvement day after day. of course sometimes better and sometimes worse. Whichever it is, every brew is a learning experience to me.

This minor upgrade with IMS basket:
-ve: things got messier with channeling, different "texture" of puck etc
+ve: 1 thing is still right... maybe due to capacity for higher dose or the change that led to different grind spec or combination of both, it's easier to get aftertaste that i like, be it from espresso or latte. Stronger taste too...

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post Apr 4 2020, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Apr 1 2020, 11:39 AM)
my general observations...

1) maybe let your grinder settle down...dun take it apart for cleaning for a few months so the burrs can wear and realign...

2) you trying to keep yield constant 40g for the longest time, now 44g... i never do this...prefer instead to stop on "degree of blonding"...this way i "know" how much "COFFEE" has been extracted...not how much "WATER" has passed through... my coffee may end up sometimes ristretto sometimes longgo...but amount of extraction is about the same...so the taste is very consistent just sometimes more intense or diluted... running a shop is different because customer may ask or ristretto or longgo and you have to be able to adjust and deliver on the yield and taste

3) your coffee is sometimes sour sometimes bitter....so probably means is not a temperature problem per se...because cold==sour...hot==bitter...you just need to be more consistent...hard to say also if the bitterness its because of over extraction... you can do a temperature test to see how hot is your water

4) forget about studying the wet puck...puckology is useless...soggy or dry depends on many factors including types of bean and roasts levels...i got beans that always give soggy puck...1 tiny dimple does not mean channeling... clue to channeling is easy....just observe how fast the coffee comes out during the first 4-5 sec... it should just start to drip out...if you get quite a good flow you have channeling, or grind too coarse, or stale beans...

5) forget about getting a new grinder for now... smile.gif

6) baskets are designed for certain range of doses...so big baskets need more coffee...
so for you to try this new 14 days...

dose as high as your basket design/allow...adjust grinder for 25-35 sec pull...learn the associated blonding color vs tastes...once you get consistent taste...then you can slowly adjust to get back the desired yield...playing with dose and grind

hope these helps and good luck
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Hi dwRK, thanks for your sharing.

1. ok, will refrain from adjusting taking grinder apart from now to let it aligns itself.

2. The initial thought was dose yield ratio of 1:2. I don't see why I can't make it to 22g:40g. Yeah, why not if getting more concentrated taste if that improves the taste. Actually am opened to explore taste.

3. I can understand temperature factor to taste profile, but not practical to me yet. Can see that it fluctuates and reheats from time to time, but i haven't been able to see and control it with my Oscar. Any suggestion how i can do it? I guessed I can't use this thermometer (pic) as the sensing is just not fast enough, i reckoned. I used to use it while heating up milk back to the time I brewed with French press.

4. Agree. Puck is the part that made me feel messy / uncomfortable, but I can still live with it and try to make it better along the way.
The first drip usually happens at about the 5-6th sec. I haven't been paying attention after that because that's the "moment" I would usually take out milk from fridge, pour into pitcher, and taste the milk with a small tea spoon (sometimes I bought spoiled lactose free milk) to get ready for milk frothing.
Will try to adjust this procedure to check on the flow of the brew.

5. Sounds good smile.gif

6. This basket is meant to house 18-22g, I supposed I am putting it to its limit.

Your analysis plus the the sharing / guidance from the few other friends in the forum are quite inspiring to me. I do get a better idea and direction on what to do and what not overlook. Thank you to the all of you.

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post Apr 5 2020, 06:45 AM

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Get a bottomless portafilter for easier observation of channeling. I no longer get any sprouting during extraction and by tweaking the grind preparation parameter one step at a time, I make a mental note what works and what not.
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QUOTE(MyHobby @ Apr 4 2020, 11:55 PM)
Hi dwRK, thanks for your sharing.

1. ok, will refrain from adjusting taking grinder apart from now to let it aligns itself.

2. The initial thought was dose yield ratio of 1:2. I don't see why I can't make it to 22g:40g. Yeah, why not if getting more concentrated taste if that improves the taste. Actually am opened to explore taste.

3. I can understand temperature factor to taste profile, but not practical to me yet. Can see that it fluctuates and reheats from time to time, but i haven't been able to see and control it with my Oscar. Any suggestion how i can do it? I guessed I can't use this thermometer (pic) as the sensing is just not fast enough, i reckoned. I used to use it while heating up milk back to the time I brewed with French press. 

4. Agree. Puck is the part that made me feel messy / uncomfortable, but I can still live with it and try to make it better along the way.
The first drip usually happens at about the 5-6th sec. I haven't been paying attention after that because that's the "moment" I would usually take out milk from fridge, pour into pitcher, and taste the milk with a small tea spoon (sometimes I bought spoiled lactose free milk) to get ready for milk frothing.
Will try to adjust this procedure to check on the flow of the brew.

5. Sounds good smile.gif

6. This basket is meant to house 18-22g, I supposed I am putting it to its limit.

Your analysis plus the the sharing / guidance from the few other friends in the forum are quite inspiring to me. I do get a better idea and direction on what to do and what not overlook. Thank you to the all of you.

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dont sweat it... the oscar is not noob friendly... temperature consistency being the problem... smile.gif

if i recall correctly...it runs too hot...and you said previous owner mod it to heat up faster...but most of your complain of sourness is counter intuitive to this machine...hence it would be good to know just how hot to rule out this being the problem...assuming you're not over cooling from over-flushing

the thermometer is good enough for now...so lets start with bulk temperature... pull 40-50g of hot water into a cup and dunk your thermometer in to get it heated up...then you follow your usual "routine" and pull another 40-50g of water into a styrofoam cup and put in the thermometer... you wanna styrofoam cup and warm thermometer so you don't lose heat to them and get lower temperature... but make sure your thermometer is good...

as for meeting 40g yield and 30s... if you can choke it you will be able to get 40g @30s... start by grinding finer to get 40g at say 40s see how it tastes and adjust accordingly...



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QUOTE(pierreye @ Apr 2 2020, 09:00 AM)
Just bought a Niche Zero white from Dankoff with 10% discount. I'm tired of cleaning the Macap M4 stepless as I only single dose. Hopefully it's latest batch with NFC disc.
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Hey, I share your excitement about the new Niche Zero.
(of course, am an interested party since I am looking for upgrade)
Please share your review and experience using the new toy.
If possible, share info like what other grinders you tried / tested during the shortlisting and how different is it compared to your old grinder.
Areas that I can think of to not miss: built, sound level, grinding yield, cleanliness, ease of use, how you use it and whether with dosing cup etc.

Please also share the rationale to conclude the deal. Thanks... smile.gif
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QUOTE(MyHobby @ Apr 7 2020, 12:10 PM)
Hey, I share your excitement about the new Niche Zero.
(of course, am an interested party since I am looking for upgrade)
Please share your review and experience using the new toy.
If possible, share info like what other grinders you tried / tested during the shortlisting and how different is it compared to your old grinder.
Areas that I can think of to not miss: built, sound level, grinding yield, cleanliness, ease of use, how you use it and whether with dosing cup etc.

Please also share the rationale to conclude the deal. Thanks... smile.gif
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Still waiting for POSLAJU delivery. No delivery yesterday and today sad.gif. My main reason for changes is the neater workflow for single dosing. Should be improvement in grind quality too as it's 63mm conical burr vs my Macap M4 stepless 58mm flat burr. I called Dankoff and looks like the unit I'm getting is the latest version with NFC disc. No more popcorning and more consistent grind.
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wonder how much he can charge per cup? biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(ycs @ Apr 7 2020, 02:56 PM)
wonder how much he can charge per cup?  biggrin.gif

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I know a few people who have done this sort of thing (espresso machine in back of a Kancil or other small car). Have to admire their passion.
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It's here. First time set the grind at 16 and it choke during extraction. Second try set at 19 and still a little bit too fine. Will try again tomorrow at 20 and hopefully I could extract 23g in 46g out around 30-35 seconds. The second shot I used it for Australian ice coffee.

From workflow perspective, definitely simpler for single dosing. Also compare to old Macap M4, the grind have no clumping even though I didn't RDT. Just weight, grind and flip the cup over the portafilter and give it a few tap. Then use distribution tool and tamp.

I'll compare the taste after few days later. So far no channeling and no pin hole on the puck.




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QUOTE(pierreye @ Apr 8 2020, 03:40 PM)
It's here. First time set the grind at 16 and it choke during extraction. Second try set at 19 and still a little bit too fine. Will try again tomorrow at 20 and hopefully I could extract 23g in 46g out around 30-35 seconds. The second shot I used it for Australian ice coffee.

From workflow perspective, definitely simpler for single dosing. Also compare to old Macap M4, the grind have no clumping even though I didn't RDT. Just weight, grind and flip the cup over the portafilter and give it a few tap. Then use distribution tool and tamp.

I'll compare the taste after few days later. So far no channeling and no pin hole on the puck.
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May I know which Gemilai machine you're using and your thoughts on it?
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QUOTE(4lt4ir @ Apr 8 2020, 05:04 PM)
May I know which Gemilai machine you're using and your thoughts on it?
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Gemilai CRM 3605.

Stock setup the cons as below:
1. Thermoblock system might not able to keep the temperature stable.
2. Weak steam.
3. OPV not set to 9 bar and release the excess water flow to drip tray. In fact, safety valve would not open at 15 bar which is the max pressure generated by ULKA pump.
4. Flow rate too high. Recommendation is around 200-280ml / 30 seconds. I measure around 360-400ml / 30 second. Indirectly causing the pressure too high.
5. Single thermoblock machine. Can't brew and steam at the same time. If you only make a cup each time, then it's not a big issue. Only take less than 10 seconds heat up to steam temperature. If you want to brew second cup, just purge hot water from steam wand for 5s and temp will drop to brew temperature.

How to overcome the issue.

By heating up the water in the tank to 50 degree celcius (get this idea from Decent Espresso machine), I manage to solve issue 1 and 2. No more sourness in espresso and steam is more powerful and dryer. I heat up the water tank by running hot water from the steam wand for 30 second, then pour the hot water back into the water tank. Do this 3 times and it should be around 50 degree celcius (only when the tank is full).
As for pressure and flow rate, I install a solid state variable resistor to control the pump. Doing this I manage to control the pressure for pre infusion and ramp up the pressure to 9 bar when I see first drip of espresso from the bottom of the naked portafilter. By using lower pressure during pre infusion and let the puck fully saturated will reduce channeling issue.

Overall, I'm quite happy with the machine performance after mod. Temp control with PID and using standard 58mm portafilter, you can get lots of accessories for the machine. Also build in pressure gauge and brew timer (user changeable) which make it quite a good entry level machine.

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Hi, does anyone know where you can get the cheapest coffee bean online? I've been buying mine at AEON for like RM20-25 per 200g but I'm wondering if I can find cheaper.
Doesn't have to be good quality as long as its drinkable. I want to do some experimenting with espresso machine settings and mixtures but I don't want to waste good coffee beans on it.

Also, anyone have a list of good coffee vendors that sells good and decently priced coffee beans? I wanna try exploring other flavours but I'm not ready to break the bank. At least not until I can make consistently good espressos.

Oh and another thing, do you guys make lattes with alternative milk? If so, any local brand recommendations?
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There are a lot of choices out there, you can also try getting some beans from ymeng85. As for milk, I normally use Farmhouse or Meiji but you can try other choices as well. Pairing really depends on the type of beans you use.
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QUOTE(naeemo269 @ Apr 9 2020, 10:36 PM)
Hi, does anyone know where you can get the cheapest coffee bean online? I've been buying mine at AEON for like RM20-25 per 200g but I'm wondering if I can find cheaper.
Doesn't have to be good quality as long as its drinkable. I want to do some experimenting with espresso machine settings and mixtures but I don't want to waste good coffee beans on it.

Also, anyone have a list of good coffee vendors that sells good and decently priced coffee beans? I wanna try exploring other flavours but I'm not ready to break the bank. At least not until I can make consistently good espressos.

Oh and another thing, do you guys make lattes with alternative milk? If so, any local brand recommendations?
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It's a constant dilemma for home brewers cos it's very costly for home brewers to run experiments buying coffee by small bags.

I have a bunch of clearance beans that I don't mind letting got at RM50/kg right now due to MCO. They are actually decent Arabica bean blend just that it's past it's 2wks after roasting date and I wouldn't want to sell anymore. If you don't mind lowered taste quality, drop me a PM and we'll take it from there
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I had thought about blending the coffee aroma, taste, and mouth feel that I want and like. It was that desire that pushed me to learn more about coffee, but then I realized that almost no one at the "cafe or home brewer level" is doing it. Roasters may do it to have their own house blend.
I then learned that there are many other factors all the way from sourcing of beans, roasting, storing, grinding, brewing (extraction), to sensory analysis that will affect the taste that we want. Any changes in any of these factors will make a difference to the perception of the coffee.
I hope I can still do that blending 1 day, but would focus on just the grinding, brewing and sensory parts for now, as that alone is already complicated.

I would try to avoid getting beans from supermarket because they usually sit on gondola for quite some time. Let see what Starbucks say about it:
https://athome.starbucks.com/keeping-coffee-fresh/
Actually it's not really bad as they should be vacuumed packed or nitrogen-flushed sealed.
Starbucks said their sealed bag is good for 34 weeks, so please check on the roast date.

For milk, I am sharing this captured from the book of my coffee course. It's about type of milk instead of brand.

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