Pandu laju ketika hujan, Myvi berpusing sebelum t
Pandu laju ketika hujan, Myvi berpusing sebelum t
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Dec 29 2015, 10:10 PM, updated 10y ago
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old video for those havent seen before
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Dec 29 2015, 10:11 PM
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Got such TV Islam ... no wonder ISIS so interested in KL.
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Dec 29 2015, 10:11 PM
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Natural selection
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Dec 29 2015, 10:12 PM
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pls learn from the pro. |
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Dec 29 2015, 10:13 PM
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drive mybi expect it to perform like sportscar,just drive slow
cheap tyre not much grip on wet road |
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Dec 29 2015, 10:13 PM
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jangan pijak brek ....
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Dec 29 2015, 10:14 PM
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Which one to blame? Car or the road design?
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Dec 29 2015, 10:16 PM
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Unskilled drag driver. Only know how to press pedal but dunno physics that kind. I bet before brake, his car already loosing grip, but that sohai go and press brake lagi lock 9 the rear tyres
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Dec 29 2015, 10:17 PM
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remind me of this Initial D
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Dec 29 2015, 10:17 PM
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Confirm terbabas lar. If use ori tyre and then raining plus sudden brake, the driver is lucky where no lorry at the back.
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Dec 29 2015, 10:17 PM
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so pros.
what causes the myvi to skid? and what to do if encounter such situation? mohon ajar sifu |
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Dec 29 2015, 10:20 PM
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QUOTE(ZforZebra @ Dec 29 2015, 10:17 PM) Pegang steering kuat kuat and point the wheel to the direction of where u want the car to go, dont ever press the brakes**For cars with Stability Control. For cars with no ESC I am not sure if the process is the same or not |
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Dec 29 2015, 10:24 PM
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Nice, one down
come born 10 My family basically almost most of them like use Myvi zzzzz so nice meh |
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Dec 29 2015, 10:24 PM
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Nice, one down
born 10 later My family basically almost most of them like use Myvi zzzzz so nice meh |
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Dec 29 2015, 10:26 PM
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Myvi can't drift, but can pusing pusing
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Dec 29 2015, 10:28 PM
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Dec 29 2015, 10:33 PM
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will esc prevent this or not eh?
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Dec 29 2015, 10:41 PM
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Aquaplaning got nothing on mah Assy 2
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Dec 29 2015, 10:41 PM
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Tyre and weight issue. Good tyres and heavy weight are ideal in minimizing Aqua planing. Esp helps however, if you do not have traction, it's useless as well.
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Dec 29 2015, 10:42 PM
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Dec 29 2015, 10:20 PM) Pegang steering kuat kuat and point the wheel to the direction of where u want the car to go, dont ever press the brakes* No ESC also can control.*For cars with Stability Control. For cars with no ESC I am not sure if the process is the same or not Can press brake a bit for a while to slow the speed, then have to let go the brake. Dont ever press the brake until jam brake. Cuz normally only 1 tyre on hydroplaning, the other tyre still can brake to slow down speed. Try to steer the steering to the direction that you want to go. Try control the car and don't let the car control you. |
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Dec 29 2015, 10:45 PM
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Dec 29 2015, 10:49 PM
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Should not continue braking while aquaplaning, you will lose more control if you jam your foot on the brakes.
I have hit water puddles and aquaplaned about 5 times when driving Iswara & Vios in the rain. It causes the steering to twist away from my grip, but I just kept the steering steady forward & never touch the brakes. No need for any panic or wildly/sudden swinging the steering left or right like in movies. And the end result is = no drama. Continue the journey home as usual. For experienced drivers, this is the correct answer : QUOTE(Boy96 @ Dec 29 2015, 10:20 PM) Pegang steering kuat kuat and point the wheel to the direction of where u want the car to go, dont ever press the brakes* This post has been edited by Hattori: Dec 29 2015, 10:52 PM |
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QUOTE(cyc85 @ Dec 29 2015, 10:42 PM) No ESC also can control. Actually you can't do much. Even pro can't react within the tight window. Everything just comes in split second. When you Aqua plane on one wheel, In fraction of the second, the car direction shifts, you counter, when the wheel regains traction, it throws the car out due to momentum, your car spins. The job of the esc or esp or vsc tries to correct the car direction in according to the steering. However if there is no grip for the wheel gain traction, it is difficult for the car to correct its trajectory. You can learn more in defensive driving. Common drivers are not prepared for such incident hence they panic. By going through such school you will know what to do to minimize the hazards.Can press brake a bit for a while to slow the speed, then have to let go the brake. Dont ever press the brake until jam brake. Cuz normally only 1 tyre on hydroplaning, the other tyre still can brake to slow down speed. Try to steer the steering to the direction that you want to go. Try control the car and don't let the car control you. |
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Dec 29 2015, 10:54 PM
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QUOTE(bo093 @ Dec 29 2015, 10:14 PM) aquaplaning is no joke. I kana many times last time at federal highway when I used semi slick on my old ride![]() http://www.wheelwright.co.uk/blog/20140206...t-months-record ![]() How do I avoid aquaplaning? Firstly, be vigilent and attentive when you're driving in the wet - unseen areas of standing water can cause an unexpected surprise. If you drive into an unseen wet area, and your car does begin to aquaplane, there are a number of steps you can follow to reduce the risk of an accident: • Gently lift off the accelerator and try to stay calm and measured in your next actions. • This will softly slow your car's momentum and allow the tyre to regain grip in a progressive way – this will help you avoid the rubber 'biting' suddenly, which could potentially result in sending you into a skid or spin. • Feed the steering wheel slowly and steadily and gently brush the brakes if the car continues to show no sign of returning control. These are reactionary measures, however we maintain that the best way to avoid aquaplaning is through preparation: • Ensure your tyres have a healthy amount more than the legal 1.6mm of tread on them – british motoring organisations tend to recommend a minimum of 2mm • Ensure the tyre pressures are checked, to see if they’re inflated correctly. If they are not, be sure to top them up or reduce them as necessary. • Once on the move, if you see a flooded piece of road up ahead, gently decelerate to a safe speed and try to move into a safer, clearer area of the road if it is safe to do so. • Adjust your speed to the road conditions ahead, and avoid deep floods - they can not only cause aquaplaning but serious damage to your car if navigated too quickly. It can be easy to find yourself aquaplaning in these terrible, wet conditions - use these hints and tips to stay safe! - See more at: http://www.wheelwright.co.uk/blog/20140206...h.b4nluO38.dpuf This post has been edited by JimbeamofNRT: Dec 29 2015, 10:56 PM |
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Dec 29 2015, 10:54 PM
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wow, luckily no accident / deaths, n the myvi landed safely on emergency lane........
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Dec 29 2015, 10:56 PM
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See, Myvi terbabas but still intact. 6 star ncap OK. better than your preve
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Dec 29 2015, 10:56 PM
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can only say padan muka. I see so many accident such as this in karak.
Myvi masuk longkang i got alot photo taken at karak. Heavy rain never jammed brake or press brake hard. |
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Dec 29 2015, 10:58 PM
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QUOTE(Hattori @ Dec 29 2015, 10:49 PM) Should not continue braking while aquaplaning, you will lose more control if you jam your foot on the brakes. Good advice Boy96 I have hit water puddles and aquaplaned about 5 times when driving Iswara & Vios in the rain. It causes the steering to twist away from my grip, but I just kept the steering steady forward & never touch the brakes. No need for any panic or wildly/sudden swinging the steering left or right like in movies. And the end result is = no drama. Continue the journey home as usual. For experienced drivers, this is the correct answer : too bad these important skills are not taught at our driving schools |
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Dec 29 2015, 11:03 PM
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i have driven a few times on the NS highway with heavy rain and encountered the same many times during the journey. what i did was ease off the accelerator a little to keep about 15% of the throttle (do not suddenly ease off completely) and finely steer (2-5degrees) to find grip. those days the tyres were at about 40% thread up front and 60% on the rear.
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Dec 29 2015, 11:11 PM
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have same experience with video while driving my myvi se
got scattered rain shower that time, normal driving not so fast, during cruise down road at small hill location gerik perak, suddently lost control of car and feel like all tyre sliding downhill, panic attack but still controlling car, vehicle turn 2 times rotate and landing on opposite route. incoming car got group one 5 chinese boy all face like saw ghost when pass me. me? thankful to god so much didnt died or jump into down mountain..fuhh.... |
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Dec 29 2015, 11:16 PM
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when u are in that situation, all u remeber is death.
i hv been in one. |
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Dec 29 2015, 11:18 PM
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It's a natural reaction. Not many have advance driving skill & they don't even teach you about it when in driving school. Nor do they test you for it.
What I hate is when the car in front suddenly brakes when going through a puddle of standing water. It forces me to brake too & it's dangerous on the fast lane. |
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Dec 29 2015, 11:21 PM
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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Dec 29 2015, 10:54 PM) aquaplaning is no joke. I kana many times last time at federal highway when I used semi slick on my old ride good graphics ... ![]() http://www.wheelwright.co.uk/blog/20140206...t-months-record ![]() How do I avoid aquaplaning? Firstly, be vigilent and attentive when you're driving in the wet - unseen areas of standing water can cause an unexpected surprise. If you drive into an unseen wet area, and your car does begin to aquaplane, there are a number of steps you can follow to reduce the risk of an accident: • Gently lift off the accelerator and try to stay calm and measured in your next actions. • This will softly slow your car's momentum and allow the tyre to regain grip in a progressive way – this will help you avoid the rubber 'biting' suddenly, which could potentially result in sending you into a skid or spin. • Feed the steering wheel slowly and steadily and gently brush the brakes if the car continues to show no sign of returning control. These are reactionary measures, however we maintain that the best way to avoid aquaplaning is through preparation: • Ensure your tyres have a healthy amount more than the legal 1.6mm of tread on them – british motoring organisations tend to recommend a minimum of 2mm • Ensure the tyre pressures are checked, to see if they’re inflated correctly. If they are not, be sure to top them up or reduce them as necessary. • Once on the move, if you see a flooded piece of road up ahead, gently decelerate to a safe speed and try to move into a safer, clearer area of the road if it is safe to do so. • Adjust your speed to the road conditions ahead, and avoid deep floods - they can not only cause aquaplaning but serious damage to your car if navigated too quickly. It can be easy to find yourself aquaplaning in these terrible, wet conditions - use these hints and tips to stay safe! - See more at: http://www.wheelwright.co.uk/blog/20140206...h.b4nluO38.dpuf TLDR no need to read also know ... |
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Dec 29 2015, 11:27 PM
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seen a few myvis and kelisas. all langsi drive fast fast when raining. panic when aquaplane ended up applying too much brake then car buang. lol
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Dec 29 2015, 11:35 PM
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Dec 29 2015, 11:40 PM
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Dec 29 2015, 11:42 PM
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Dec 29 2015, 11:44 PM
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suddenly the influx of pro rally and pro driver in the thread. and some former f1 drivers too. kencang siul!
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Dec 29 2015, 11:50 PM
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How you arrive at this conclusion?
Which part in thread got pro rally and former f1 driver ? I want to know them too. |
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Dec 29 2015, 11:52 PM
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the turn at desa water park from n/s hw heading towards federal h/w also got stagnant water
becareful |
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Dec 29 2015, 11:53 PM
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I drive a Toyota Altis 2.0V with VSC.
On the highway, the fast lane, when it rains, the puddling will come form the opposite road due to some area no drain or the drain is too shallow. I had experienced this with my Altis, it will skid, but luckily the VSC will correct the wheels, but still the steeing has to be hold into with both hands, otherwise you never know , you will change lanes to hit another vehicle. On a MYvi, haah!!, no vsc, only ABS on the front brakes!! Malaysian cars are made to kill people!! |
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sometimes i cant brain those bodo who speed during heavy rain
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Dec 29 2015, 11:55 PM
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Happened to me once before, south bound near PD toll exit, manage to stabilize the car. Really gotta steer hard and the last thing to do is to apply brakes until the car is stable. Minor damage.
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Dec 29 2015, 11:56 PM
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BTW, the 2 Myvi in the videos was on the fast lane!! Puddling on the road!
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Dec 29 2015, 11:57 PM
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how to determine whether ur tyre thread is still guding or time to change?
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QUOTE(PeesLife @ Dec 30 2015, 12:23 AM) Easiest way is just dont fking drive fast when its raining lah tiuuu ferrari?I have a land cruiser 4.6 can easily tapau all cars on the road, but when raining i never drive at 100km/h, you'll never know when you will hit a puddle deep enough to aquaplane one of your tyre. Even with my heavy car, 22" rims with fking wide tyres, I also kena before, its scary and not worth driving fast in the rain. |
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They think myvi is a god car
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keta sampan lagi nak laju bila ujan...kesiannn ah beng dan myvi...
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Dec 29 2015, 10:20 PM) Pegang steering kuat kuat and point the wheel to the direction of where u want the car to go, dont ever press the brakes* i guess the driver let go of the steering in panic mode.... that why it sping*For cars with Stability Control. For cars with no ESC I am not sure if the process is the same or not |
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Dec 30 2015, 05:19 PM
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QUOTE(PeesLife @ Dec 30 2015, 12:23 AM) Easiest way is just dont fking drive fast when its raining lah tiuuu Lagi lebar tayar, lagi senang senang aquaplane lah.I have a land cruiser 4.6 can easily tapau all cars on the road, but when raining i never drive at 100km/h, you'll never know when you will hit a puddle deep enough to aquaplane one of your tyre. Even with my heavy car, 22" rims with fking wide tyres, I also kena before, its scary and not worth driving fast in the rain. |
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Itu masalah driver, bukan salah myvi.
Myvi > all |
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Dec 30 2015, 06:21 PM
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QUOTE(big1 @ Dec 30 2015, 04:54 PM) not his myvi that someone myvi...he just tryin' to steal it and got caught btw i wonder why they can't do nothing except shouting , watching and record...? i think that guy plain cloth police already shoot the car.maybe no intention to kill + there civilian nearby. |
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QUOTE(ciwi1166 @ Dec 30 2015, 07:09 PM) my car rolled about 3-4 times and then end up in big longkang. all i can say padan muka. try drive slower lower the speed the lesser the spin.total lost, but i was lucky only injured my shoulder. when at raining try not to press the brake hard. i see so many in highway raining drive faster somemore. some people need to suffer to learn. This post has been edited by Velocity: Dec 30 2015, 07:16 PM |
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QUOTE(penalcode @ Dec 29 2015, 11:53 PM) I drive a Toyota Altis 2.0V with VSC. not Malaysian car are made to kill people is the driver try to kill himself and passenger.On the highway, the fast lane, when it rains, the puddling will come form the opposite road due to some area no drain or the drain is too shallow. I had experienced this with my Altis, it will skid, but luckily the VSC will correct the wheels, but still the steeing has to be hold into with both hands, otherwise you never know , you will change lanes to hit another vehicle. On a MYvi, haah!!, no vsc, only ABS on the front brakes!! Malaysian cars are made to kill people!! This post has been edited by Velocity: Dec 30 2015, 07:20 PM |
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Tv islam melayu.... Fuuuu
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QUOTE(Velocity @ Dec 30 2015, 07:15 PM) all i can say padan muka. try drive slower lower the speed the lesser the spin. did i say why i skidded? when at raining try not to press the brake hard. i see so many in highway raining drive faster somemore. some people need to suffer to learn. it was 2am driving to kelantan. i was trying to avoid incoming car masuk my lane. end up oversteer, car no abs so the above happened. road is slight wet after rain. |
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QUOTE(ciwi1166 @ Dec 30 2015, 08:16 PM) did i say why i skidded? so you drive fast and you trying to avoid incoming car masuk your lane so you end up oversteer isnt still the speed that cause you to lose control. it was 2am driving to kelantan. i was trying to avoid incoming car masuk my lane. end up oversteer, car no abs so the above happened. road is slight wet after rain. So either you dont take care of your car tyre properly or you driving too fast |
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QUOTE(ciwi1166 @ Dec 30 2015, 08:16 PM) did i say why i skidded? Life is important. . Second to it is lives of others on d road.. responsible driving.. those few minutes worth of time lesser aint going to adequate to compensate loss of life .. injury to yourself and other road user..it was 2am driving to kelantan. i was trying to avoid incoming car masuk my lane. end up oversteer, car no abs so the above happened. road is slight wet after rain. Accident happens.. but we take precaution out of it |
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Dec 31 2015, 12:39 AM
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QUOTE(Velocity @ Dec 30 2015, 09:57 PM) so you drive fast and you trying to avoid incoming car masuk your lane so you end up oversteer isnt still the speed that cause you to lose control. I agree speeding is wrong move.. mind sharing ur experience.. I m preety sure sth happen or experienceSo either you dont take care of your car tyre properly or you driving too fast for my it was cny.. I was inside the car with my 2 siblings.. I was on my way to penang.. after tanjung malim I was driving on middle lane.. moderate speed.. 80..I saw a lorry from d rear.. overtaking fast attempted on right side but cant as there are cars on d extteme right lanes.. overtaking on left .. I saw him from rear left.. I move my car slightly to right in between middle land and right I just dunno why.. the lorry hit a stationary van on d tip right .. and turned 180 degree facing the highway after hitting.. at the moment dat lorry struck the tip of the right frontal van .. its tail flip and just passing my left side.. we literally could see the rear of the lorry whilst flipping.. it was really a pure luck.. dunno why I go to right and avoided it.. dat day onwards.. I know anyting can happen in accidents esp motor vehicles.. I was given a second chance in life.. had not .. I do not know wat would happen.. I stop immediately at shell.. and pray..that is life |
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Dec 31 2015, 12:57 AM
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Dec 31 2015, 01:00 AM
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Dec 31 2015, 01:00 AM
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This maybe cause by pool of water on the road. I kena b4 when my right side tyre hit the water causing me out of control...lucky no car nearby during the incident.
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Dec 31 2015, 01:01 AM
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Dec 31 2015, 11:58 AM
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Dec 31 2015, 12:39 AM) I agree speeding is wrong move.. mind sharing ur experience.. I m preety sure sth happen or experience i drive at karak nearly every day i see so many accident till scare. i saw at least 10 drove pass me very fast during heavy rain later infront accident. The others i was stuck in jam because of the accidents.for my it was cny.. I was inside the car with my 2 siblings.. I was on my way to penang.. after tanjung malim I was driving on middle lane.. moderate speed.. 80..I saw a lorry from d rear.. overtaking fast attempted on right side but cant as there are cars on d extteme right lanes.. overtaking on left .. I saw him from rear left.. I move my car slightly to right in between middle land and right I just dunno why.. the lorry hit a stationary van on d tip right .. and turned 180 degree facing the highway after hitting.. at the moment dat lorry struck the tip of the right frontal van .. its tail flip and just passing my left side.. we literally could see the rear of the lorry whilst flipping.. it was really a pure luck.. dunno why I go to right and avoided it.. dat day onwards.. I know anyting can happen in accidents esp motor vehicles.. I was given a second chance in life.. had not .. I do not know wat would happen.. I stop immediately at shell.. and pray..that is life god bless me never lose control to such extend. all i can say in rain dont drive fast and always watch infront of the car infront of you because if anything happen u will know u have space to do something. another tip if raining the best way to slow down is to use low gear. never follow lorry behind or side. always be infront of them. |
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Dec 31 2015, 07:30 PM
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Dec 31 2015, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE(KoChun @ Dec 31 2015, 07:30 PM) Lets assume that Islam dont have TV, radio and groupies. Only Quran and Mosque. Use brain before make statement Lol dont u understand sarcasm?from ur statement u say "Got such TV Islam ... no wonder ISIS so interested in KL."So whats the connection between TV islam and ISIS?what a stupid assumption So if in KL got TV Christian, KKK will interested in KL?bobo statement |
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QUOTE(crash123 @ Dec 31 2015, 08:07 PM) Lol dont u understand sarcasm?from ur statement u say "Got such TV Islam ... no wonder ISIS so interested in KL." Lol dont u understand sarcasm?So whats the connection between TV islam and ISIS?what a stupid assumption So if in KL got TV Christian, KKK will interested in KL?bobo statement what stupid reply! |
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