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uforlife
post Oct 2 2016, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(heybai @ Oct 2 2016, 09:36 AM)
Need some suggestion (dont pm me about your company plan pls)

1. I am a student, just realized i should get insurance for myself

2. I am planning to get a medical card, but how much is the minimal commitment? Yes I cant contribute too much every month..

3. Is it possible to have a plan that if I am all fine and did not touch the insurance/medical card at all, i will get back some part of my commitment? (sounds impossible I know, just trying my luck)

Definitely appreciated if anyone can recommend some good plans to me, but dont pm me thanks, just reply me here smile.gif
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Yes medical card is probably a better option for you as the risk of urself expose to sickness might be greater than death. However medical card's premium is quite expensive so u might need to discuss with ur parents. This is a good investment IMO. Life insurance wise if you feel u are exposed to some risk, eg. riding bike to uni, then u may purchase one if you are able to afford. Term life and whole life have different way and rates of paying premium and benefits, so you can slowly make comparison if you feel the need smile.gif
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post Oct 19 2016, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(Kilohertz @ Oct 18 2016, 07:55 PM)
Just sharing, is this true? Any agent can confirm on this?

http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...irect-says-bnm/
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I was at the summit yesterday and it is an ongoing initiative of the government. The market still needs agents for some products as it is not possible to go online for all kinds of products for now
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post Oct 19 2016, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Oct 19 2016, 08:44 AM)
Well, it's in the news, of course true. It's part of bank negara initiative. It's abit like overseas. Right now, there are few companies offering it, but no one really promoting it strongly.

Hong leong assuranace, etiqa etc.

Right now, what they are offering doesn't include medical. Medical is the one with most claims. Pure life protection is only will claims once (death), so no issue for no agent to follow up on claim. Unless fraud case, death claim is straightforward.
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It's wrong that no one is promoting it strongly, just that maybe you aren't aware of wink.gif (okay that might means that it needs more publicity, but it's just vry near to u now tongue.gif ) Well, the traditional insurance companies dont want to wipe out all their own agents, is like if going online, the agents might lost jobs, that's why insurance companies u stated do have their online platform, but they dont really advertise on it. And yes there is no such service for medical cards, only pure life covers usually

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post Oct 19 2016, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(Kilohertz @ Oct 19 2016, 10:16 AM)
I'm just skeptical on all these, like you said traditional insurance companies don't want to wipe out all of their agents which again if this comes to a realization then a lot of people will actually lose their rice bowl.
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yes, so we cant really blame them. but there are companies that purely made for this, distributing insurance through online, and they can promote freely without afraid of their agents to lost their jobs, as there are no agents to begin with

QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 19 2016, 10:27 AM)
Promoting strongly may break the "rice bowl" of its own agents, which they do not want also.
After all, agents are the one bringing in business for the insurance company.

There is no incentive for insurance company to offer directly, if BNM doesn't take initiative or forcefully insurance company to do so. As whether selling through agent or directly, insurance company may be getting the same amount.

Agent - Cost of insurance calculated by insurance company + agent commission = Premium payable by client
Direct - Cost of insurance without agent commission = cheaper premium payable by client.

Those saving plan, life insurance, ILP commission can be quite lucrative and a lot is the area where consumer can save a lot.

While for general insurance, generally the commission is much lesser as compared.

The beneficiary will be consumer.
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it's not really a small amount that goes to commissions in premiums that consumers paid, it's like 40-60% sometimes, the figure can be scary. That's why when using a direct channel where commissions are cut off, consumers are shocked and they dont believe that a life product can be so affordable. Really hope that one day, insurance is no longer something only for the rich, instead people with low income are able to get themselves a policy be it a low sum assured, at least they are covered and if anything happens to them, they leave their families some money to pay back debts but not suffered of one's debts

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post Oct 19 2016, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Oct 19 2016, 10:45 AM)
I guess the market is pretty excited with term insurance which had existed in the market for decades which is now more marketable into the market. More advanced countries had implemented such mechanism and the agents still thrives.

There are countless things that people used to shout about, when general insurance had implemented to be available online, you don't see agents die off. Clients still prefer a personal touch to it. Probably just a small number of them goes directly via the online portals.

Insurance still needs the advise of professionally trained agents to guide and advise those who are in need to get the right coverage. I've stumbled upon so many people who don't know what they are buying and paid for it.
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yes, agents will not dies off completely, and not all products are able to be marketed online, the number of agents might be cut down (especially those that make the name of agents bad, and leave those with good service to their clients), it won't be wipe completely. Agents are still necessary in insurance, it's quite impossible to be replaced completely by internet which serves as an alternative distribution.
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post Oct 19 2016, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Oct 19 2016, 01:35 PM)
The people need to estsblish these fact
1. Why didn't insurance engage directly with customers  instead of going through agent all these while?
If it's for profit I'm sure the insurance company would've cut off agent model and just advertise the business themselves
2. Why create so much incentive for agents to engage with clients?
3. Why insurance agent still need to take licensing if they are no longer needed as part of the BNM upcoming plan?
Will need to determine how much is your premium based on these factor
Your age
Your gender
Your occupation
Whether you smoke or not
I'm estimating around 5k - 7k per year if based on ur info
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1. agents are required all the while, to help customers on understanding the products, as the terms and jargons in insurance can be hard for the public (unfortunately some agents cant really explain well and in fact they themselves don't know the products well) however for the future customers, which mainly the tech savvy gen Ys prefer to do their own research online, or seeking for opinions just like the purpose of us having a thread here, they will be turning away from the 'personal touch' that the insurance companies are offering since decades, through agents.
2. they create incentives while the incentives mostly comes from the clients' premiums. they are still able to offer that way because the fact that a big portion of malaysians have not purchase any insurance product, and some people out there are still willing to pay sky high premium for insurance, that is why.
3. you cant say that agents are no longer needed, but i guess they are urging insurance companies to focus on direct distribution channel, making insurance affordable for everyone, which is good in my opinion. however as i said, agents can not be eliminated completely as not all the products can be distributed online easily due to the underwriting issues

both agent and direct approach are needed to accomodate different type of consumers and their needs biggrin.gif
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post Oct 19 2016, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 19 2016, 03:49 PM)
I believe by shifting the paradigm from conventional agent distribution to online direct distribution:

i) reduce bulk load agent commission, company reduce cost, consumer pay cheaper premium (or ILP, more invested into UT)

ii) convenient and reduce turnaround time between consumer and company

iii) stripping all those agents who only know how to target sales without understanding the products they sold, only remain those who are dedicated to serve and have the knowledge to help the consumers, in a way improve the agent work from operational sales to knowledge based planing smile.gif
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vry agree on iii) not that all agents are bad, just that there's always some spoilers in every industries.

i don't really believe in the model on ILP though, I always prefer to put my money in different vehicles, eg. buying insurance solely for protection, i dont need savings thru insurance product, if i want, i would just go for FD, for investment wise, i prefer to do it my own (i'm an amateur trader myself) or dump my money into unit trusts or funds, SC and CFA malaysia had been promoting trusts too.

but of course there is different needs for different person, those are just my own opinion though smile.gif
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post Oct 19 2016, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 19 2016, 08:10 PM)
i sure as hell dont want her as my agent after this. I am already having unit trusts in FSM why am i spending another rm 150 very month to buy _________ unit trusts.

all i want is just a medical coverage and nothing to link with investments esp when EPF and FSM is already doing it for me
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i do have friend caught up in that, but the agent is a friend, who desperately want sales, signed him up an ILP while my friend himself is an active trader on stock and future market. my friend be like what...? but end up still took it anyway cz is a friend and doesnt take additional money that he allocated for insurance initially doh.gif
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post Oct 20 2016, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(simonhtz @ Oct 20 2016, 01:50 PM)
Hi folks,

DOB: 16/12/1983
Occupation: some IT guy
Gender: dude
Smoker: unfortunately, yes

I'm looking for term insurance in the event of critical illness and death:
Death: 400k
CI: 200k
Covrage: till 65.

What would be the premium like?

Something baffles me till this day - I've requested term insurance quotation from 3 diffident insurance agent, all of back came back to me stating ILP is the better option compare to term insurance.

Is this true?
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In the end is based on what your need is, whether you want insurance be purely protection only or u want it with savings/investment. After you made up your mind knowing what you want, then get quotation from agents based on the type of policy u interested in smile.gif different type of policy accomodate diff needs
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post Oct 22 2016, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 21 2016, 11:16 PM)
if that's the case why need agents. even customer service exec told me these days you can claim anything on your own. I think she didn't think much when she was talking to me.
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The cs might rly dint think that much when telling that to you nod.gif if everything can be done yourself might as well kick the agent that suppose to service you off ;D and yeah pity ur bad experience with agent, hope you get a better one to service you next!
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post Oct 24 2016, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(dannychen @ Oct 22 2016, 06:00 PM)
I'm waiting for the day to come too. eventually, those bad apple without value added will be spoil and people will choose to buy online to minimize the excessive entry cost such as agent's commission and etc.
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BNM is trying to shift everything to online, hopefully one day we will be able to buy all products through online just like other advance countries like UK US where ppl can just surf for the products and compare like what we have for credit cards now. We already have life insurance available for purchase online, it's a first step to go digital biggrin.gif
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post Oct 24 2016, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Oct 24 2016, 12:03 PM)
I'm quite surprised at ppl suddenly become so concern on how insurance agent make their commission.  biggrin.gif
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while ppl paying for it for so long and never questioned about it till now biggrin.gif

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post Oct 24 2016, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(simonhtz @ Oct 24 2016, 01:30 PM)
Currently, I only know there's u for life, meaning to say there will be other insurance company coming up with their own term insurance?
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there is always term insurance offered, just that not many people like it cz it doesnt have any surrender value (conventional thinking of having savings/investment together seems more worth it, and people dont like to pay and might get nth in the end, even they have to pay alot higher to get smthn in the end tongue.gif ), usually companies buy term life for their employees as well cz can cancel it after the employee left the company. If i'm not mistaken hongleong is on their way to go online for their life product soon as well
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post Oct 26 2016, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Oct 26 2016, 10:02 AM)
I wonder how much more will government specialist earn from this compared to private specialist
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at least when the specialists are comparing, hmmm not as bad pay as earlier, might as well just stay in gov. We all know that doctors are oversupplied now, if possible to stay just stay D;
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post Oct 26 2016, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Oct 26 2016, 07:59 PM)
It's actually not wrong to invest into an investment link policy for people who don't really have time to monitor their investment and let the insurance company handle the investment

If you're good in investing then by all means go ahead and invest the money yourself. But don't bring down a product just because it doesn't suit you
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uhm if not free to monitor, there's always other options for investment, such as unit trusts, mutual funds. i still believe insurance shld jz doing their job insuring their clients, looking for investment? just go for companies that specialised in investment instead. Just my opinion
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post Oct 26 2016, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 26 2016, 09:56 PM)
Insurance company is not "handling" the investment.

The portion of investment in the ILP will go to one of client selected fund, aka the investment is managed by a fund house, not insurance company.

Investment linked = Insurance + UT combo.
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it's true is a combo, but then, the proceeds is actually goes to the cost of insurance when there is a shortage, it doesnt require you to top up for the shortage but instead they take it from the % u might get to earn. If that's the case i might as well dump the money direct to fund house and get exactly wad i should get. for insurance part i jz pay steadily and purely for protection .

some readings: https://verylongrun.com/2016/08/24/investme...inked-policies/
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post Nov 1 2016, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(dannychen @ Oct 31 2016, 01:39 PM)
Concept Paper on Direct Distribution Channels for Pure Protection Products 

Issuance Date
28 October 2016

Effective Date
The consultation period for this Concept Paper ends on 28 November 2016;

Summary
This concept paper sets out the requirements for the offering of pure protection products through direct distribution channels by licensed insurers and takaful operators carrying on life business and family takaful business, respectively. The paper specifies the following:-
Minimum product specifications for pure protection term products offered via direct distribution channels; and
Business conduct, infrastructure and operational requirements for direct distribution channels.

Applicability
FSA
IFSA

Issuing Department
Insurance Development Department

Details can be found in the following documents:

Concept Paper on Direct Distribution Channels for Pure Protection Products
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thanks for the share smile.gif
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post Nov 1 2016, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Nov 1 2016, 11:41 AM)
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30%? Is this a huge impact?  hmm.gif
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the gov's initiative is to help us to get life product at more affordable price, and in a simpler way biggrin.gif however whether will able to hit 30% is another story, will be depending on whether insurer's wana focus on this channel or not

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post Nov 4 2016, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(Ktkloong @ Nov 2 2016, 10:35 PM)
This is where your insurance agent should come in and service you. If he or she doesn't do that, then this agent is useless.

And to think that our Bank Negara Governor wanted to make insurance to be bought directly, without going through the agents. Look at all the hassle that you need to make for this claims.
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what BNM governor wanted is to add another distributive channel, means giving additional choice to consumers. That's why the concept papers stated only to distribute pure protection products. It's not that easy to go everything online, it is depending on how complicated the underwriting process are. Agents are still required for some of the products.


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post Nov 4 2016, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Nov 4 2016, 10:44 AM)
My personal opinion:
Direct channels made available offering pure protection plans would be bring a positive impact to both the consumers as well as the insurance providers as well as their respective agents.

Pure protection products would be targeted at the lower income group, which makes up the major chunk of the uninsured in Malaysia.
The standard traditional policies as well as ILP and Takaful equivalents would be better targeted and consumers and agents would find themselves in a better place where as consumers we all get better fitted plans for a more competitive price, and as agents, we get better customers and in more numbers.

Such move would drive the "secret agents" out of the industry, and directing the consumers and industry players alike in the right direction!

I say this is the way forward for everyone.
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well said! one of the intention of having direct distribution channel is to let the low income group have the ability to at least get some coverage for themselves. Everyone has the chance to own a policy, be it rich or poor, government wanted insurance to be available and affordable to everyone. It's a good thing especially for the poor as when they passed away, their dependants will not get even poorer due to the inheritance of debts.

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