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starry
post Feb 18 2016, 10:58 PM

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Hi,
Anyone here can advise on total surrender value?
Based on this policy, if survival benefit is withdrawn,
total surrender value upon maturity
= Guaranteed maturity value + Non-guaranteed maturity value
= RM15960+RM105256.68
= RM121216.68
Is that correct?
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post Feb 24 2016, 08:36 PM

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What is the difference between standalone and ILP medical card in terms of premium payment?

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post Feb 24 2016, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Feb 24 2016, 08:53 PM)
Standalone plans premium is an upward chart

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Meaning your premium increases as you grow older.

ILP premium is on a level ground, and the cash value in the account is accumulated each year but the cost of premium is similar to that of a standalone plan

The difference is that ILP premium will be higher initially to accumulate the cash value portion projected for your plan to last until 65, 80 or 100 years old to match the increasing medical card cost of insurance.

However, since ILP investment are on risk basis, the recommended budget might be sufficient or insufficient to last until the projected ages should there be anything bad happens to the economy.

Hope this is clear enough.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 24 2016, 09:30 PM)
Standalone premium all goes to cover the medical cost/premium.

ILP - One portion goes to UT/investment, one portion goes to medical premium coverage.

So ILP premium will be way much more than standalone one, as it needs extra portion of money goes to investment.

Both medical coverage premium goes up according to age, and in ILP, it will draw out the investment portion that accumulated previously to pay up for increment, until it become insufficient, then you have top up, and insurance company will send letter notifying clients to adjust the premium upwards or else policy lapse.
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Very well-explained. Thank heaps notworthy.gif
Agent told me in the long run ILP medical card would be cheaper coz premium would be maintained at fixed price till maturity. However after reading the sifus' replies here, I see that it depends on how the ILP investment performs in the market.


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post Feb 24 2016, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Feb 24 2016, 09:47 PM)
That agent explanation might be abit off. Getting an ILP medical card is cheaper in the long term because your investment (cash value accumulated) paid partly on top of your regular premium as compared to you paying the premium for standalone without any investment return to pay on your behalf.

It's not due to "premium would be maintained at fixed price till maturity"  doh.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 24 2016, 09:50 PM)
The agent did not paint the exact picture.

ILP premium is not guaranteed to be fixed until maturity generally.
Current ILP's proposal and premium may be projected can last until maturity based on last few years good performance in investment, but it is not guaranteed to be.

If the investment portion is making a loss just like this year, (as many UT are making a loss lately), then ILP may need to see the premium adjustment faster when medical portion cost increase time.

Mind that the investment doesn't guarantee to be making money/profit, it can yield a loss as well.
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All this is new to me. This discussion is certainly an eye opener for me thumbup.gif
And what about general insurance standalone medical card and life insurance standalone medical card? What's the difference?
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post Mar 1 2016, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(mIssfROGY @ Feb 29 2016, 10:59 AM)

My agent is currently following up on this and I am not going to speculate what happened,  so i have nothing to tell, but apparently i need my "current unknown nominee" signature to update my new nominee @@ i was like wtf...why do i need my nominee's signature or permission to nominate whoever i wanna gib my monies to?!!
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I recently surrendered a GE policy and was required to get nominee's consent for application for full surrender. Nominee had to sign a consent form before I could surrender the policy. Why do I need to get the nominee's consent to surrender my policy?
Any insurance agents here can enlighten me on this matter?
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post Mar 1 2016, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(ZurichVictorT @ Mar 1 2016, 09:36 PM)
It is part of the process for surrendering a policy to ensure there is a common understanding between the applicant/insured and nominee.
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Hmm...does that mean if nominee refuses to consent, there's no way the insured could surrender the policy?
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post Mar 1 2016, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Mar 1 2016, 09:52 PM)
Because you don't have any money for them to cheat, for sure they want to make your life hard. If the policy has no cash value, just stop payment and let it lapse by it self.
This is what I did for my policy since they cheated me.
Insurance is a cheating tool created early 20th century to ensuring insurance seller have their luxury rice bowl being secured.
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Sounds like you had a horrible experience with insurance policies. Care to share how they cheated you?
Anyhow, I finally managed to surrender the policy after I got nominee's consent.

QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 1 2016, 09:57 PM)
This shouldn't be happening in the first place.
Policy owner is the one who has ultimate said.

This is the first time I came across such issue.  sweat.gif
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My sentiments precisely. It's my policy, why would I need to get others' consent to do whatever I want to do with it? That's why I hope the agents here can clarify on the matter.

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post Mar 1 2016, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(kokkit3 @ Mar 1 2016, 10:16 PM)
Dear,

Once you have nominated someone as the beneficiary. He or she is legally entitled the policy benefits upon the policy holder's demise, therefore the nominee must be consented. It applies to asignee and trustee too.
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Thank you for your response. Does that mean if nominee refuses to consent, there's no way the insured could surrender the policy or make changes to the policy?
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post Mar 1 2016, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Mar 1 2016, 10:36 PM)
To answer this question, first of all we need to look at what was the problem with the Insurance Act 1996 on the Trust and Nomination as compared to the Financial Services Act in 2013.

Prior to the FSA, the Policy Holder (PH) is able to assigned himself as a Trustee (a person who wholly owns and control the policy).

As long as the PH is of sound mind there isn't any issue with the policy. However, if the PH later becomes of unsound mind (eg, coma, stroke, Alzheimer), changes to the policy is impossible. Changes here refers to surrender, withdrawal of the cash values (if any), re-nomination, even payments of Critical Illness requires the PH to 'sign'.

This is the problem faced under the old act and that is why under FSA, the PH himself cannot be appointed as a trustee.

A Trustee can be a person or an organization such as Rockwills to manage the insurance policy (or even the insurance proceeds) in the event when the PH himself is not able to due to coma, stroke etc.

For example, if the person is in coma, how is he able to claim under the CI coma? Secondly, since payment of the CI lump sum claim will be paid to the PH bank account, no one is able to touch the money.

The purpose of the trustee is to file a claim towards the insurer, and upon receiving the CI money, pays in accordance to the wishes of the PH in the case of Rockwills is being appointed as the Trustee of the policy. This is also why the policy with CI & Life Cover is normally 'absolutely assigned' to Rockwills.

Rockwills will then execute (without fear or favor) the wish of the PH (example, pay to the spouse gradually etc) and of course when executing the trust of the PH, there is charges involved. No free lunch okay.

Policies that are without the trustee, an auto trust will be created. See page 158/168 Trust of Policy Moneys.

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Much obliged for the comprehensive reply notworthy.gif
Another question, so if the nominee is deceased and there is no surviving parent, the policy owner would have to nominate 'the Public Trustee or a trust company'?

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post Mar 2 2016, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(mIssfROGY @ Mar 2 2016, 03:53 PM)
But looks like Starry still needed his nominee's consent?
Starry can you confirm? Trustee or Nominee on your end?
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 2 2016, 04:58 PM)
I guess the person in charge or admin/officer may mix up the trustee with nominee issue, just like what you have experienced.  smile.gif

As there may people do not understand the wording in the description as well as differentiate the term between trustee and nominee.
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In my case, I still needed my nominee's consent coz there's no trustee assigned. So nominee becomes auto-trustee, that's what I understood from roystevenung's post, "For policy that has not been assigned with a Trustee, the auto trust applies."

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post Mar 2 2016, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Mar 2 2016, 10:13 AM)
Savings policy, save rm10000 that I can take rm10000 after 10 years, but after 8 years, cash value not even reaches 50% mark. MAA
mixed policy with life and medical, medical was at very minimum, enough to cover daily rate in GH's class 2 ward, GE
Prudential are the best since it is following the hard copy policy, but when claim, they are using "too many potential fraud claim" as excuse to deny my claim.
You want to do something on your policy especially cancelling, sure you will have hard time, but the agent can change the nominee's name or change your package easily.
Trust me, you no need to have any insurance for your life. GH is there to help you if you need help. Even a Datuk that is a multi-millionaire also spending time in GH only, he ask me back "why waste money to let insurance agents enjoy your hard earn money?" when I asked him on this matter.
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Thanks for sharing your experience here. I get what you mean. That's why I surrendered one of my policies too. Similar to your case, after 10 years, cash value is only 50%. Some of my friends opt for government hospitals for medical treatment coz they don't trust insurance companies.
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post Mar 9 2016, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Mar 9 2016, 11:33 AM)
Yup, once your donation > 20 times, you will stay in 2nd class beds.
Investment linked is to ensure you waste more for something you don't need, usually the return will be worst than your savings account.
As said, a policy will devalue once every 6 months, so I don't see any reason to waste money on buying something that does not really protects you.
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My insurance agent also recommends an investment linked medical card coz she says in the long term it's cheaper than pure medical card. How does a policy devalue every 6 months?
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post Apr 22 2016, 11:15 AM

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Which insurance company offers pure standalone medical card?
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post Oct 26 2016, 08:27 PM

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Hi lifebalance,
The AIA medical policy states that we can make reverse charge calls to the AIA hotline for international medical assistance when we're overseas.
If I'm in Japan, how do I do that using a Malaysian mobile number? Any idea?

Thanks.



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