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 Insurance Talk V3, Anything and everything about insurance

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kazekage_09
post May 19 2016, 02:36 PM

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Hi all, dont know whether can ask about takaful here

1.would like to get quotations (takaful, not conventional) for
A) my 3 month old daughter. Budget 150 for ILP or 90 for standalone
B) my wife, 29 this year. Budget 250-300 for ILP. Previous policy probably lapse since not paying the premium 2 years ago.
any agents for any company feel free pm me your best quotations.
Preferences:
For my baby, tailor the death/TPD/CI as minimum as 20k and focus more on her medical. Waiver for both my baby and payor
No co takaful would be a bonus
Guaranteed Renewal for Life
No PWC

2. I had medical card with 50k on death/TPD/CI, waiver for TPD/CI, r&b 250, annual 75k and lifetime 750k with premium.200 permonth. I would like to add more on my life coverage. Which is better to do? Upgrade or apply life separately? Some says if have both, I have to pay double for fees and some say more cheap if apply separately. But one thing I do know if apply new the agent will the one that happy lol. I just want a neutral opinion.


3. If it better, what life coverage can i get with 200? Can pm me also.


4. From me, I think ILP as a force saving to cope with rising cost of tabarru later. So is it safe for me to think better I take pure medical card standalone and put that extra money on other investment instruments and use them to cope with the rising premium later in older years?

Many thanks.
kazekage_09
post Aug 6 2016, 09:00 PM

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Is Medisavers Takaful not legit then? From previous discussion, it seem it on the grey area. Some say legit some say not.


kazekage_09
post Aug 9 2016, 02:24 AM

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Anyone can explain more on this loving couple policy concept for life takaful?

For example, there are 2 policies, 1st policy the payor/policy holder is me and person covered is my wife. 2nd policy, the payor/policy holder is my wife and person covered is me.

Let say Im got hit by death/TPD, my wife will get the sum covered from 2nd policy and 1st policy will be waived because the payor waiver kicked in and resulting in my wife getting free coverage. In short, if either one die, the other one will get the sum covered and free policy. Is my understanding correct?
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post Aug 9 2016, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Aug 9 2016, 10:42 AM)
No, it is Waived, not FREE.

1st Policy
Assured Wendy
Waiver Wendy (if Wendy is diagnosed with 36 CI or TPD)
Spouse Payor John (if John is diagnosed with 36 CI, TPD or Death)
Policy Holder (trustee) John
Nominee (assumed is) John

2nd Policy
Assured John
Waiver (None)
Spouse Payor Wendy (if Wendy is diagnosed with 36 CI, TPD or Death)
Policy Holder (trustee) Wendy
Nominee (assumed is) Wendy

Scenario: John is TPD
1. The 2nd policy TPD sum insured is payable to John and since there is no waiver on John's life, he will still need to continue to pay the 2nd policy premium.

2. The 1st policy is waived (not free) of the premium and the insurer will take over the policy payment and the insurance charges will still be charged in accordance to the cover / risk.

Should at older age when the insurance charges is insufficient to cover for the premium paid + cash values, Wendy is still required to do top up or risk losing the cover.

3. Upon John's death after (claiming the TPD), Wendy is entitled to the remaining cash values (if any) from John's policy

Scenario John's Death
1. The 2nd policy death sum insured + cash values (if any) is payable to Wendy

2. The 1st policy is waived (not free) of the premium and the insurer will take over the policy payment and the insurance charges will still be charged in accordance to the cover / risk.

Should at older age when the insurance charges is insufficient to cover for the premium paid + cash values, Wendy is still required to do top up or risk losing the cover.
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Wow unker Roy, your explanation always clear and straight to the point. Now I understand why waiver is not free. Thank you!
kazekage_09
post Aug 9 2016, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Aug 9 2016, 01:38 PM)
Where did you get the idea it's free policy ? Haha
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Cc annual fee waiver means free right lol. So I thought it the same
kazekage_09
post Aug 19 2016, 11:56 AM

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I got a question for insurance/takaful agents here,

Do you suppose to explain to your clients about let say the fact that in investment-link product, the premium they pay will not necessarily same? That they might need to topup later if the premium cant cover the cost of insurance/takaful? I know it stated in the policy/quotation. Is this mean it client responsibility to know it themselves by reading their own policy?

In takaful quotation, got this estimated 2 scenario tables. What it actually means?

Also that waiver is not free. Because all agents I met or whatsapp so far said waiver is free (only know it not free from this thread lol). Like for example if they quote me raider for CI, if I acquire CI the policy is free for life. This is a very misleading statement IMO...

This post has been edited by kazekage_09: Aug 19 2016, 11:57 AM
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post Aug 19 2016, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Aug 19 2016, 12:07 PM)
It's not unlimited claim, there is an annual limit that you can claim within the limit. Once it's exceeded then you'll have to top up for yourself. This also depends on what type of package you took with the insurance company.
1. The premium you're paying is the same throughout the policy period once your policy is inforced. Meaning RM300 monthly will remain as RM300 monthly until you're age X depending on the policy agreement.

However, as time goes by, any increase in the cost of insurance or bad performance of the investment that would affect ur cash value will render you having the need to top up in the near future.

The table shown in the policy illustration is just a projection.

Yes, agent suppose to explain this part, in fact the entire policy.

2. The sales illustration will have 2 scenario column indicating the good return and the bad return. If the performance is bad then you may refer to the bad column and what's the expect cash value you'll have for that year accumulated.

3. Waiver of premium is a rider, you pay a premium to add it onto ur policy, it's not free. It's function is to waive your premium until age X. However, refer back to point 1, even if your policy premium is waived, you're still subject to increasing cost of insurance.

As an advise, choose a good & reliable agent. Good luck.
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Thank you for a very clear explanation. But one of the agent is very senior agent lol....
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post Aug 19 2016, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Aug 19 2016, 12:52 PM)
That's quite sad to hear that a senior agent is resorting to misleading you.

But as a rule: every rider comes with a cost.

I know the feeling tak sedap cuz the feller told you it's "free" but actually semua included already.
It's a principle thing.

Maybe in the future, you can pick from among the agents here.
Semua kat sini dah kena grill sampai hangus dah! laugh.gif
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Haha no no I know that each rider has it cost. It written in quotation. It the waiver rider. All keep tell if attach with waiver, if CI kicked in, the policy will be free..
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post Oct 26 2016, 09:40 AM

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FPP is an option for those who can afford to pay and get to choose their favourite surgeon/specialist. The RM1 service will still be there. That letter maybe purposely being viral by certain individuals to create some havoc since near the Budget 2017. FPP exist long time already.

From what I know FPP also is also government initiative to keep the specialist in gov sector from going to private. As we know specialist in private earn so so much more compared to gov. So with FPP those specialist can get a good additional income.


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post Dec 14 2016, 02:03 PM

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Can a person with hep b carrier apply a medical card and life insurance?
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post Dec 14 2016, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Dec 14 2016, 02:39 PM)
Yes but subject to your blood test reading
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Thank you. But what you mean by blood test reading? He or she already have it. Will the premium be more expensive and not cover liver complication/disease?
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post Dec 30 2016, 11:45 PM

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Can someone explain what is term, whole life, endowment, ILP and annuity plan in the simplest way possible? Is all these concept apply to takaful too?

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post Jan 10 2017, 09:28 AM

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Firstly, thank you for all the informative info from all the contributors here. I find it very very useful for me.

I have a few question though,
1. How about some of the products that say no medical checkup required? For example PruWarisan, the minimum coverage of RM350k no need medical checkup right? So then, do people with diabetic and hypertension can apply this?
2. In takaful right now, there seem like a trend now that most of agents keep promoting hibah/income replacement etc. From your opinion, which one should one focus first? Income replacement or medical card?

Many thanks!
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post Jan 10 2017, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jan 10 2017, 09:32 AM)
1. Unless its GIO offered to you. There is no such thing as no medical check up required for diabetic and hypertension unless that insurance company is doing charity to all these people.

2. It's not a trend, each individual has different need. There is no 1 plan fits all. Talk to a life planner to discuss on your financial matters.
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So there is no generalization in this matter? Because in my thinking, one should focus first on his income protection. If one falls sick, at least there are government hospital. But if one dies, there are no one to help his family expenses if he not having any life policy.
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post Jan 11 2017, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(Holocene @ Jan 10 2017, 10:04 AM)
It really depends on what the client is looking for and need. Hence it is always advisable to meet up with a professional agent that can share with you the options once he/she gets to know your financial situation.

For Allianz at least, the medical card and life insurance comes together.

Best,
Jiansheng
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Jan 10 2017, 10:16 AM)
1. The PruBSN Warisan no medical exam required is only applicable if no prior claims and standard case.

Diabetic is UNABLE to apply, whilst for hypertension there may be a need to do ME depending on prior health condition and BMI.

Do expect Loading for hypertension on the life

2. Both are equally important and both are taking care of providing protection, one from the huge medical bills and another providing income replacement to your loved ones when you are not around (either hibah or as a wasi).

Yes you are correct that one can still fall back on Gov hospital. But do not expect everything to be free. A client father with no medical card got admitted for a broken leg and metal implant is required. GH request the client to pay Rm5k for the metal implant.

If you are okay with this GH arrangement then you may only want to look at the life cover or critical illness cover.
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jan 10 2017, 10:19 AM)
What you prioritise might not be the same as the person next to you.
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Thank you guys!

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