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avms01
post Mar 17 2016, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(Yippie123 @ Mar 17 2016, 01:58 AM)
Without investment link means your premium will get higher each year
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Hello All
I'm new here.
Looking for medical card and did some checking around.

Need advice/sharing on below
1. GE medical card - Is this cashless card or your it's pay first and reimburse?
2. On traditional medical card versus Investment Link, in long run which is better from optimizing our money. Meaning, if I buy traditional medical card and the difference I invest?

Thank you for your sharing.


avms01
post Mar 17 2016, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 17 2016, 10:54 AM)
Hi there,

1. Medical card as long as it's non-deductible or "co-insurance", you don't have to pay first and reimburse. That situation will only happen if you so happen to admit into a non-panel hospital or somewhere overseas. Then it will be on pay first and reimburse.

2. A standalone medical card vs a investment link medical card is like this
- Standalone is just the medical card without any rider, the overall cost is cheaper when you're younger, but as you grow older, you will pay a higher cost of premium. Furthermore, you won't have any riders like waiver of premium in the event you're fall ill and can't afford to pay for the premium anymore.

- Investment medical card comes with an investment return whereby you pay a premium every cycle, and this premium will be invested to get a higher return which will be used to pay for the increasing cost of premium every year. The long term plan is cheaper than the standalone medical card as the investment factor kicks in the reduce your total cost of ownership. You also benefit from add-on riders like waiver of premiums to waive off the premium you need to pay in the event you succumb to total permanent disability or any critical illness.

AIA also offers medical card of such with annual limit above RM1 mil and no life time limit with no co-insurance.

Feel free to inquire smile.gif
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Thank you for sharing and agree on the Premium waiver rider for Investment Link.
However, in Investment Link, the investment returns are NOT guaranteed.
I have heard cases from friends that after 5 years or so, they are required to TOP UP in order to support thier policy.
Note ... thier are just Medical card investment link without any others riders.

This is my concern here. So thinking of traditional plan and the difference I invest in investment vehicle that can generate at least 5 % to 6 % (ASNB).


Any comments?
avms01
post Mar 17 2016, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(leonard73 @ Mar 17 2016, 12:33 PM)
Standalone medical is far beyond the par of investment linked medical plan now.

Major reasons are that stand alone is cheaper in any age caps compared to ILP. Prove can be found out on both plans holder policy under insurance charges schedule.

This guideline had been imposted by bank negara to all insurance company including the agents Commissions and all the hidden charges.

Old plan holder do not find this in your old policy, only recent years bought do hv. If yours not showing this, you cam request your agents to get it for you.

I wanted to highlight here is regardless traditional medical plan or investment linked plan, the insurance charges is quoted based on your age, no insurance co quote you regardless your present age, whereas investment linked medical plan, they used the term 'premium' to include all charges.

i just sharing on my concern of anyone who is interested to get insured and avoid them being twisted into one of the burden in their lives
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Thank you Leonard73 for this interesting piece of information.

May I know know where I can get the Bank Negara guidelines related to insurance cost for stand-alone and investment link medical plans?
This will be useful. TQ.
avms01
post Mar 17 2016, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(leonard73 @ Mar 17 2016, 02:29 PM)
Sorry to avoid misunderstanding about bank negara rules and regulations. What I mean is all insurance company must attached all the charges in the policy. Charges such as insurance charges schedule, commission distribution schedule, non guarantee premium vs investment schedule, management fees scale charges.

You can clarify it from your policy first page with bank negara contact number and address. Bring your policy to them and ask whatever info or related documents from them, they are happy to serve you.

If whoever feel being cheated by insurance co, you can go and seek their advices.

In Malaysia, insurance company don't cheat you as there are contract stated black and white with you. What I only can tell based on my knowledge is only agents tricked you, but some agents also innocent because they selling the products because the company asked them to do so without fully understand the product values.
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Noted. No worries, you have not mislead me in relation to Bank Negara.
Agreed with you that Insurance companies don't cheat as it's all in the contracts, it's just that we don't take the trouble to read the contract fine prints and young agent are not trained into details of the contracts but more on selling the products.
That's my little concerns and thats why I like to find out more before signing up.


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